Chinese President Xi Jinping Refuses To Meet Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe

[Huaren]

You equate Japanese politicians / leaders with war crime ignorance, yet this is not the case whatsoever. In fact, many of our politicians have contributed to ameliorating any historical qualms, such as the late PM Fukuda. Even the Emperor had visited South Korea in the past and had shown remorse for the damage caused during the war.

Peace.

Keep beating around the bush and denying the truth is meaningless, the apologies would have been accepted as being sincere the first few times, while your chosen leaders keep getting back on claimed apologies again and again are nothing but insults to the victims, in fact it would have been better if you have never made any apologies at all in the first place. And nope the war crime ignorance is not limited to your politicians / leaders, there are responsibilities for the citizens living in a so called "free and democratic" society under "rule of law", the existence such ignorance on the higer level cast your whole society in a bad light.

 

[Sasquatch]

Agreed. There's really no point in Xi Jinping meeting with Abe at all. Or any subsequent Japanese leader for that matter unless they're sufficiently honest about their nation's disgusting past. And if they're not, it's no big deal. China is on the rise while Japan is dying. We'll see who needs who in the future.

As politically incorrect as it sounds your statement is correct.

Japan is a dying nation, a resource scarce island which economically relays on China. The sanctions we placed damaged their economy. Japan needs China not the other way around. Doesn't matter what political or geopolitical games Japan plays their recent rise is short lived, the economic and demographic problem was the final nail in the coffin. Abe will be gone in a few years and doesn't matter who becomes the PM as China will continue cement power throughout the Asia-Pacific while Japan dies off.

 

[Huaren]

As politically incorrect as it sounds your statement is correct.

Japan is a dying nation, a resource scarce island which economically relays on China. The sanctions we placed damaged their economy. Japan needs China not the other way around. Doesn't matter what political or geopolitical games Japan plays their recent rise is short lived, the economic and demographic problem was the final nail in the coffin. Abe will be gone in a few years and doesn't matter who becomes the PM as China will continue cement power throughout the Asia-Pacific while Japan dies off.

That would be true without external forces, however it would be rational to assume that US alliance would make great effort to support japan in case of fallout of Japan-China exchange, in which case japan would consequently lose its largest trading partner for both import and export, while china after economic reorientation in the near future would be able to rely on internal structure far more efficiently not to mention China would always have more choices and ressources/potential for foreign trading partners. Still I have no doubt that Japan would be able to hold out longer than expected in such case, wont be suprised even if US gives in on issues like TPP to balance economic interest for strategic interest. Of course in the longer term that would just put more strains on the whole US alliance without any effective methode to hold China back for real. Japan might keep going on with its pride of being dishonest criminal until the inevitable shift of power balance in the world is complete, then there will be a unpleasant wake up.

 

[kyle Chiang]

do you really understand the history in Paracel and Spratlys islands ?
You would know why there's a need for a COC.

My support to Hongkong democracy, can't be considered as anti-China, except you consider Hongkongers are not Chinese.
Do you really know what's happening in Fuyou villages, Wukan village ... and hundred thousand of villages like those ?
I support the Chinese people. That's the truth.

PH has no air fighters, then they must get air fighters or they would be dominated by their enemies.
That's why every country has Ministry of Defence.
Any sale to them not always intends to anti-China. Except, you consider China as PH enemy.

Without Japan, US warships and aircrafts, Vietnam could buy them from Russia. Those sale also is not considered as anti-China, except you consider China as potential invader to Vietnam.

While you wonder why neighbor buy more weapon, let think about why China spent a huge state budget on weapons first.

We also never consider any country selling weapon to China at this moment as anti-Vietnam, anti-Japan, anti-PH, anti-India.

Maybe I know more than you thought.Maybe most Chinese know more than you thought.
Fuyou villages,Wukan village and even 300 people were shot at Tiananmen Square in 1989,30 million people died during "Chinese Cultural Revolution".I all know that.And I can tell you,Chinese corruption,environment pollution,abuse of power,and some other problems are more serious than what the western medias said.

But we Chinese never want to solve these problems by endless force resistance to government.Street protests by occupying area in name of "democracy,free" will solve problems and make nations much better?Why America,UK and most western powerful,civilized countries ban the action in law,and take site-cleaning as soon as possible.

Democratising push Argentina to developing country from developed country.A domineering and evil country(as many western media said),China,is prospering,developing rapidly and people's lives are better and better.Do you think the reasons of this "unfair phenomenon" ?

The key is national will and the will of people.We Chinese people choose to face difficulties,take responsibility and work hard with government instead of endless censure and endless resistance. And Chinese government should keep reformation by people's will.So we achieved few success and step forward in each area in the past 30 years,though we have so many fatal problems.Unity is one great consensus in Chinese culture.

There is a old saying in China,"天下兴亡，匹夫有责"，it means "every man has a share of responsibility for the fate of his country".Street protests should only be one way to express your own interest demand,not a method to force others (including government) to surrender.It seems like a child "If you don't buy the toy,I will mess our family ".

As for the weapons and warships donating and diaoyu island,I don't want to argue more.We have different thinking model,standpoints and ideas of history.If you wanna understand Chinese views more,maybe to think the relations and historical line in America selling weapons to Taiwan,Chinese mainland keeping economic cooperation with Taiwan,Chinese government claiming "Taiwan is one part of China" ,will help you.

National cooperation and competition,geopolitics are huge issues.

 

[BoQ77]

As for the weapons and warships donating and diaoyu island,I don't want to argue more.We have different thinking model,standpoints and ideas of history.If you wanna understand Chinese views more,maybe to think the relations and historical line in America selling weapons to Taiwan,Chinese mainland keeping economic cooperation with Taiwan,Chinese government claiming "Taiwan is one part of China" ,will help you.

National cooperation and competition,geopolitics are huge issues.

I still wonder why you consider the transfer weapons to PH and VN is China issue?

 

[Huaren]

Maybe I know more than you thought.Maybe most Chinese know more than you thought.
Fuyou villages,Wukan village and even 300 people were shot at Tiananmen Square in 1989,30 million people died during "Chinese Cultural Revolution".I all know that.And I can tell you,Chinese corruption,environment pollution,abuse of power,and some other problems are more serious than what the western medias said.

But we Chinese never want to solve these problems by endless force resistance to government.Street protests in name of "democracy,free" will solve problems and make nations much better?Why America,UK and most western powerful,civilized countries ban the action in law,and take site-cleaning as soon as possible.

Democratising push Argentina to developing country from developed country.A domineering and evil country(as many western media said),China,is prospering,developing rapidly and people's lives are better and better.Do you think the reasons of this "unfair phenomenon" ?

The key is national will and the will of people.We Chinese people choose to face difficulties,take responsibility and work hard with government instead of endless censure and endless resistance. And Chinese government should keep reformation by people's will.So we achieved few success and step forward in each area in the past 30 years,though we have so many fatal problems.Unity is one great consensus in Chinese culture.

There is a old saying in China,"天下兴亡，匹夫有责"，it means "every man has a share of responsibility for the fate of his country".Street protests should only be one way to express your own interest demand,not a method to force others (including government) to surrender.It seems like a child "If you don't buy the toy,I will mess our family ".

As for the weapons and warships donating and diaoyu island,I don't want to argue more.We have different thinking model,standpoints and ideas of history.If you wanna understand Chinese views more,maybe to think the relations in America selling weapons to Taiwan,Chinese mainland keeping economic cooperation with Taiwan,Chinese government claim "Taiwan is one part of China" ,will help you.National cooperation and competition,geopolitics are huge issues.

lol you are wasting breath here, this viet is quite aware about the issues here, after all he only has the "best interest" for China and hong kong in heart while being fully anti vietnam by not supporting such movements and "awareness" in Vietnam. Btw he has already repeatadly stated out what he want for vietnam, ofc he want different things happen to China.

 

[kyle Chiang]

I still wonder why you consider the transfer weapons to PH and VN is China issue?

You are arguing with somebody for something,another irrelevant man give a stone to him and say: "You can beat the man with this".
How will you think？

lol you are wasting breath here, this viet is quite aware about the issues here, after all he only has the "best interest" for China and hong kong in heart while being fully anti vietnam by not supporting such movements and "awareness" in Vietnam. Btw he has already repeatadly stated out what he want for vietnam, ofc he want different things happen to China.

Thank you.I never wanna change his mind and standpoints.Just take communication and practice English.
Argument is better than hatred.We Chinese should respect theirs opinions as well,though we don't agree with some.

 

[BoQ77]

You are quarreling with somebody for something,another irrelevant man give a stone to him and say: "You can beat the man with this".
How will you think？

Is China in fire exchange with anyone now ?
How you say about China role in supply Khmer Rouge military assistance ( weapon and advisors ) to make border raid to Vietnam during 1975-1978 ?

 

[kyle Chiang]

Is China in fire exchange with anyone now ?
How you say about China role in supply Khmer Rouge military assistance ( weapon and advisors ) to make border raid to Vietnam during 1975-1978 ?

How do you think "argue=fight"?

In 1975-1978,Chinese political situation is in chaos during the "Cultural Revolution",the real national humiliation.Supplying Khmer Rouge military assistance is really a wrong decision.And it became one of reasons that we had a war.

Neither the Soviet Union nor the USA had a bad relation with China at 1975-1978.Khmer Rouge's anti-human action is similar to Mao's revolution.So Mao choose to support Khmer Rouge.Vietnam feel angry to Khmer Rouge military assistance for his killing about 20,000 Vietnamese,and became enemy with China in SU's supporting.Deng Xiaoping and many Chinese generals think Vietnam betrayed China's unselfish help during Vietnam War(you against USA) and will help SU to start war to China or threaten our national security after you defeat Burma.Viets actually killed hundred of Chinese borderers.It riled Deng Xiaoping and he decide start the war to Viets in 1979.On other hand,the war will help China start new diplomatic relations with America.

History and national politics are really complicated and shifty.So,we should learn from these past issues and keep calm to avoid another war.We can not affirm politic's evil or goodness,because the winner is the right.We can only affirm that war will cost thousands of people's lives and hurt our nation.

 

[jkroo]

What the fnck does this thread has anything to do with India?

I just wonder how much inferior complex does Indian has that they are hurry to jump to every thread to pretend as a boss that they can determine everything?

This thread just has nothing to do with India. Talk everything related to India is just useless and annoying.

 

[Speeder 2]

This Japanese govt is NOT honest and has NO sense of honour at all, which makes it very ugly.

The reason for that are two-fold: the neo-right Japanese elites led by Abe, and the majority of Japanese citizens who collectively voted Abe into power and have been cheering him up in his every step into ultra-offensive foreign policy, reflected by his popular poll.

As one can clearly see that the root of the problem of Japan is NOT Abe (whose kind exist in any other society on earth), but the majority of the Japanese citizens (both the elites and the masses) who collectively have never shown remorse, even at the basic humane level, to Japan's dispicable and very recent war crimes commited collectively by their people allover Asia Pacific - not just China, but both Koreas, Phillipine, Vietnam, Malaya, Singapore, etc, etc as far as Australia.

Abe could be gone in several years, yet Sino-Japan relations would likely to remain cold in the foreseable future as long as the root of the problem is intact.

With or without Japan, China would likely keep its almost irreversable momentum and power ahead, and the US could probably recover to a certrain extent at some time. In the long run, the loser of "Abe's game" will most likely be Japan and the Japanese people themselves.

 

[jkroo]

This Japanese govt is NOT honest and has NO sense of honour at all, which makes it very ugly.

The reason for that are two-fold: the neo-right Japanese elites led by Abe, and the majority of Japanese citizens who collectively voted Abe into power and have been cheering him up in his every step into ultra-offensive foreign policy, reflected by his popular poll.

As one see clearly see that the root of the problem of Japan is NOT Abe (whose kind exist in any other society on earth), but the majority of the Japanese citizens (both the elites and the masses) who collectively have never shown remorse, even at the basic humane level, to Japan's dispicable and very recent war crimes commited collectively by their people allover Asia Pacific - not just China, but both Koreas, Phillipine, Vietnam, Malaya, Singapore, etc, etc as far as Australia.

Abe could be gone in several years, yet Sino-Japan relations would likely to remain cold in the foreseable future as long as the root of the problem is intact.

With or without Japan, China would likely keep its almost irreversable momentum and power ahead, and the US could probably recover to a certrain extent at some time. In the long run, the loser of "Abe's game" will most likely be Japan and the Japanese people themselves.

We have the patience and can wait for another one. You just can't expect anything from an anti-China PM.

 

[Zsari]

This Japanese govt is NOT honest and has NO sense of honour at all, which makes it very ugly.

The reason for that are two-fold: the neo-right Japanese elites led by Abe, and the majority of Japanese citizens who collectively voted Abe into power and have been cheering him up in his every step into ultra-offensive foreign policy, reflected by his popular poll.

As one can clearly see that the root of the problem of Japan is NOT Abe (whose kind exist in any other society on earth), but the majority of the Japanese citizens (both the elites and the masses) who collectively have never shown remorse, even at the basic humane level, to Japan's dispicable and very recent war crimes commited collectively by their people allover Asia Pacific - not just China, but both Koreas, Phillipine, Vietnam, Malaya, Singapore, etc, etc as far as Australia.

Abe could be gone in several years, yet Sino-Japan relations would likely to remain cold in the foreseable future as long as the root of the problem is intact.

Well said. Just like the Nanjing massacre was celebrated in Japan and the population had near unanimous and unreserved support for the invasion of China, you can't just simply blame a few politicians for its imperial ambition and barbaric behavior. Today we have similar situation where the majority of the population is not only unrepentant, but wants to justify and glorify its imperial expansion. Nihonjin would be fine example of Japanese attitude today where while paying some lip service to past crime, deep down he is profoundly proud of the "achievement" of Japanese imperial aggression.

 

[Aepsilons]

On topic tho , I do expect this APEC summit to bear much fruit for Pacific trade relations. I conjecture that despite media reports, both Abe and Xi will meet.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

This Japanese govt is NOT honest and has NO sense of honour at all, which makes it very ugly.

The reason for that are two-fold: the neo-right Japanese elites led by Abe, and the majority of Japanese citizens who collectively voted Abe into power and have been cheering him up in his every step into ultra-offensive foreign policy, reflected by his popular poll.

As one can clearly see that the root of the problem of Japan is NOT Abe (whose kind exist in any other society on earth), but the majority of the Japanese citizens (both the elites and the masses) who collectively have never shown remorse, even at the basic humane level, to Japan's dispicable and very recent war crimes commited collectively by their people allover Asia Pacific - not just China, but both Koreas, Phillipine, Vietnam, Malaya, Singapore, etc, etc as far as Australia.

Abe could be gone in several years, yet Sino-Japan relations would likely to remain cold in the foreseable future as long as the root of the problem is intact.

With or without Japan, China would likely keep its almost irreversable momentum and power ahead, and the US could probably recover to a certrain extent at some time. In the long run, the loser of "Abe's game" will most likely be Japan and the Japanese people themselves.

LL

Pot calling kettle black, by implication you consider Chinese citizens at fault for no sense of remorse for ethnic dilution in Xinjiang, those who perished in the Great Leap forward, Cultural revolution, or those who perished in the Khmer rouge by allowing the same Govt to continue

Thats some bold Hanjian stuff there