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Coming to think of it....
Chinese president vows to fight terrorism with Pakistan
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Coming to think of it....
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Good move by China.
Start by "combating terrorism",
Move on and establish military bases to "help combat terrorism"
Decide set up administrative apparatus to "help administer and prevent terrorism"
Finally ANNEX PAKISTAN AND CALL IT "CHINI-STAN"......or China-Pakistan "friendship land"......or whatever works really....
Start by "combating terrorism",
Move on and establish military bases to "help combat terrorism"
Decide set up administrative apparatus to "help administer and prevent terrorism"
Finally ANNEX PAKISTAN AND CALL IT "CHINI-STAN"......or China-Pakistan "friendship land"......or whatever works really....
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I'm glad if you believe it.
Since any bad behaviour by Chinese on the internet, can immediately be excused by saying "Oh he must be a CCP agent".Bad behaviour by Indians on the internet though, there no excuse for that.
Vinod2070
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I'm glad if you believe it.
Bad behaviour by Indians on the internet though, there no excuse for that.
You got it the reverse.
Anything those CCP agents say is official CCP policy and represents official Chinese views.
Indian members are just freewheelers or may be even false flag Pakistanis.
Vinod2070
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Interesting analysis. That damn CCP does think long term.
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First of all, do not address me as "BABY" it gave me the shivers, even though i know its kind of common for DN, unfortunately i'm not your kind so beat it please.
Your obsession with me started to get really annoying, perhaps the report button will solve your so-called truthseeker mentality however i doubt there will be any cure for an attention seeker though.
Sorry, your broken south asian inglish had completely exposed your true colour, so please spare me for your cheap curry house gossip, have a nice day DN.
Vinod2070
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Hey! Even you caught onto it.
One for your viewing pleasure. I found it hilarious.
Your happy meal toys and our call centers can win the world.
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OMG dude...how did you manage to get his IP??
I don't have any way to get his IP. He TOLD me that his IP was in the USA. So, in my quoted post I am merely taking him at his "word". Admittedly, taking any of these PRC warriors at their "word" is stupid!!! But, in the interest of openness and dialog, I will allow myself to be stupid on occasion.
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Pakistans time-tested friend
Posted on May 22, 2011
By Farhan Bokhari
Chinas decision to use the trip by Pakistans Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani for announcing a quick delivery of up to 50 fighter planes to its South Asian partner, must not come as a surprise to anyone. For long, Beijing has built up its ties with Pakistan through repeated support for the country in a range of ways, notably through generous military assistance and economic support.
At a time when Pakistan is being pressed by the US following the May 2 raid by its special forces to kill Osama Bin Laden, Chinas gesture will be seen by an overwhelming number of Pakistanis as a timely act. Across the country, China continues to retain the image of being a reliable partner and a friend as Pakistanis remember the Islamabad-Beijing friendship with popular phrases like taller than the Himalayas or deeper than the oceans.
For the rest of the world, notably the US, there are indeed lessons to be learnt from Chinas example of support for Pakistan. Beijings success in forging a close partnership with Pakistan, in part, is attributed to China building its ties with Pakistan on a popular footing. Essentially, Chinas history with Pakistan has been about building up a solid legacy of trust over time, and keeping the warmth in the friendship, irrespective of the regime in power in Islamabad.
China, to its credit, may have shared some of the concerns which are similar to US concerns over matters like Pakistans soil being used by religious hardliners. But instead of berating Pakistans ruling establishment in public and effectively indulging in name calling, China has chosen to deal with its concerns in private.
Consequently, Chinas friendship with Pakistan is popularly regarded in the country as being built on considerations of brotherhood, in sharp contrast to relations with the US, widely seen to be based on a narrow set of time bound interests.
For the US, countering Chinas deep-rooted influence in Pakistan must not just be a matter of seeking to outpace Beijings supply of arms with its own or keeping pace with Chinas economic assistance. Instead, the US must seek to fill gaps that exist in Pakistan and directly deal with the way the country needs to develop. For instance, almost one third of Pakistans population of 180 million is known to live below the poverty line. Essentially, this means that one in every three Pakistanis go to bed every night without having had enough food to eat. While US regimes including the Obama administration have keenly counted the dollars they have given to Pakistan, it is not surprising that the US has not earned much goodwill in tandem.
Karakoram highway
The billions of dollars that may have gone in for military assistance or indeed economic support for the budget, are widely seen at the popular level to be without relevance to the needs of ordinary Pakistanis. Besides, unlike China, which has generously invested in infrastructure like Pakistans Silk Road, known as the Karakoram highway, which opened up the access to the countrys northern areas, the US has nothing similar to proudly showcase to ordinary Pakistanis.
Going forward, it is possible that the US may react to the news of Chinas sale and a planned expeditious delivery of 50 new fighter planes to Pakistan on concessional terms, with great dismay. It is even possible that voices from the US political spectrum including from within the Obama administration may call for curbs on Pakistan in view of its dealings with China. Tragically though, such harsh reaction will fail to curb what is indeed a close relationship between Pakistan and China. On the contrary, any suggestion of even half the punitive steps against Pakistan may indeed only give added incentive to both Pakistan and China to draw themselves ever closer.
What will be a far more productive exercise by the western world would indeed be to closely assess exactly what drives the proximity between Pakistan and China, and the ways in which that proximity can be emulated by the global community to its own advantage.
Almost six decades after China and Pakistan became friends, across Pakistan, the Peoples Republic of China stands recognised as the countrys only time-tested ally which will never let Islamabad down. In sharp contrast, the image of the US as a country whose relations with Pakistan have just been based on one deal after another, says much about the popular Pakistani view of Washingtons reliability or lack of it, as a future strategic partner.
Farhan Bokhari is a Pakistan-based commentator who writes on political and economic matters.
Courtesy: Gulf News
Posted on May 22, 2011
By Farhan Bokhari
Chinas decision to use the trip by Pakistans Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani for announcing a quick delivery of up to 50 fighter planes to its South Asian partner, must not come as a surprise to anyone. For long, Beijing has built up its ties with Pakistan through repeated support for the country in a range of ways, notably through generous military assistance and economic support.
At a time when Pakistan is being pressed by the US following the May 2 raid by its special forces to kill Osama Bin Laden, Chinas gesture will be seen by an overwhelming number of Pakistanis as a timely act. Across the country, China continues to retain the image of being a reliable partner and a friend as Pakistanis remember the Islamabad-Beijing friendship with popular phrases like taller than the Himalayas or deeper than the oceans.
For the rest of the world, notably the US, there are indeed lessons to be learnt from Chinas example of support for Pakistan. Beijings success in forging a close partnership with Pakistan, in part, is attributed to China building its ties with Pakistan on a popular footing. Essentially, Chinas history with Pakistan has been about building up a solid legacy of trust over time, and keeping the warmth in the friendship, irrespective of the regime in power in Islamabad.
China, to its credit, may have shared some of the concerns which are similar to US concerns over matters like Pakistans soil being used by religious hardliners. But instead of berating Pakistans ruling establishment in public and effectively indulging in name calling, China has chosen to deal with its concerns in private.
Consequently, Chinas friendship with Pakistan is popularly regarded in the country as being built on considerations of brotherhood, in sharp contrast to relations with the US, widely seen to be based on a narrow set of time bound interests.
For the US, countering Chinas deep-rooted influence in Pakistan must not just be a matter of seeking to outpace Beijings supply of arms with its own or keeping pace with Chinas economic assistance. Instead, the US must seek to fill gaps that exist in Pakistan and directly deal with the way the country needs to develop. For instance, almost one third of Pakistans population of 180 million is known to live below the poverty line. Essentially, this means that one in every three Pakistanis go to bed every night without having had enough food to eat. While US regimes including the Obama administration have keenly counted the dollars they have given to Pakistan, it is not surprising that the US has not earned much goodwill in tandem.
Karakoram highway
The billions of dollars that may have gone in for military assistance or indeed economic support for the budget, are widely seen at the popular level to be without relevance to the needs of ordinary Pakistanis. Besides, unlike China, which has generously invested in infrastructure like Pakistans Silk Road, known as the Karakoram highway, which opened up the access to the countrys northern areas, the US has nothing similar to proudly showcase to ordinary Pakistanis.
Going forward, it is possible that the US may react to the news of Chinas sale and a planned expeditious delivery of 50 new fighter planes to Pakistan on concessional terms, with great dismay. It is even possible that voices from the US political spectrum including from within the Obama administration may call for curbs on Pakistan in view of its dealings with China. Tragically though, such harsh reaction will fail to curb what is indeed a close relationship between Pakistan and China. On the contrary, any suggestion of even half the punitive steps against Pakistan may indeed only give added incentive to both Pakistan and China to draw themselves ever closer.
What will be a far more productive exercise by the western world would indeed be to closely assess exactly what drives the proximity between Pakistan and China, and the ways in which that proximity can be emulated by the global community to its own advantage.
Almost six decades after China and Pakistan became friends, across Pakistan, the Peoples Republic of China stands recognised as the countrys only time-tested ally which will never let Islamabad down. In sharp contrast, the image of the US as a country whose relations with Pakistan have just been based on one deal after another, says much about the popular Pakistani view of Washingtons reliability or lack of it, as a future strategic partner.
Farhan Bokhari is a Pakistan-based commentator who writes on political and economic matters.
Courtesy: Gulf News
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While it is gratifying that China has built deep and valuable relationship with Pakistan - allow me to comment on the US part - to my thinking it's not important what the US do or don't do - it really is absolutely, unimportant -- what is important is whether the Pakistani political elite can decide to behave like a government and exercise political discipline and raise the funding they government needs through growing the economy and tax collections instead of cash handout by the US -- Of course we all wish that Pakistan US relations were also deep like those with China -- readers should take special note that Chinese policy is not about giving cash handout, it's about doing trade and building value for all - can Pakistani politicians face a challenge that they may not be able to overcome, their own weakness and greed.
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^^ Corruption and greed are not totally incompatible with economic growth.
They are coexisting in India and even China besides most of the world including the USA (at a different level though).
The politician's greed can in fact be an incentive. They have a bigger pie to loot from.
In India, the corruption has moved from petty bribes for license to large scale corruption in real estate and mega deals.
They are coexisting in India and even China besides most of the world including the USA (at a different level though).
The politician's greed can in fact be an incentive. They have a bigger pie to loot from.
In India, the corruption has moved from petty bribes for license to large scale corruption in real estate and mega deals.
