Chinese president to pay state visit to Russia from March 20 to 22

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Also, nothing kills more than a slow death with a thousand cuts. It's not just Russia but Ukraine losing able-bodied men and women who'll be crippled for life.

That strategy doesn't work with populous countries.

 

[BHAN85]

the last time commies united it did not work out
Putin would love to dump China in return for 1969

modern technology is a recent achievement.

cold war ideas about nuclear war maybe it's not applicable to today.

nuclear war simulations by computer, shields interceptors and so on.

I know USA is in the vanguard in all those fields, but they should not underestimate the Chinese, and Russians have the brute force needed (nukes and ICBM/SLBM in very large amount).

Oh yeah, potential threat, nearly every country is of potential threat to US, so it is going to destroy them all first, no doubt, pure evil.

It's not pure evil, it's just the real world.

We live in a world where USA has the hegemony, and that avoid loot wars between neighbors.

But when a state can steal another without punishment, they do, history is plenty of examples.

You think that is not so frequent today because we are more civilised, it's false, we are the same beasts than centuries ago, but today exists the fast punishment of those actions, and if some day USA lost that superiority, Russians wouldn't doubt in go to the Hamptons to loot expensive washing machines

 

[Bengal71]

Those are my sentiments exactly. As I have often stated, to develop vigorously and peacefully is to keep others engaged in a conflict. This is the most suitable time to contain the collective West off its back and have them kill each other on their turf. We had the good news today that the West will soon send DU ammunition to Ukraine, and hopefully, the wind can blow the particles their way.

Also, nothing kills more than a slow death with a thousand cuts. So it's not just Russia but Ukraine losing able-bodied men and women who'll be crippled for life.

However, for China, this was a blessing that it'd gotten a gas station with a massive landmass neighbor handed to them on a platter. A vassal state anyone would love to have.

One thing you can notice is that the Chinese are playing very cleverly. They are supporting the Russians through indirect means such as importing their Oil and Gas which is keeping their economy afloat, while not selling them any weapons, the west is looking for every excuse to sanction China to cripple their economy but finding it rather hard to find excuses to do that.

 

[Beny Karachun]

I agree, probably the reason the Chinese are going to support Russia so it stands to keep America and allies busy with them. Multiple front is difficult for any power, the longer Russia stands strong the longer the US can't vigorously focus on China. It's in Chinese interest to support Russia, perhaps with minimal support to keep them going.

Nonsense.
US is not focusing even 1/100th of its efforts against Russia.

 

[Bengal71]

Nonsense.
US is not focusing even 1/100th of its efforts against Russia.

1/100th is also effort. That's 1/100th less effort that can be concentrated on the other rival. The 1/100th sounds trivial but can be significant if the other rival is rapidly growing.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Nonsense.
US is not focusing even 1/100th of its efforts against Russia.

Agree which is what most people here miss. This shows the power gap between US and Russia. Contrary to what many believed in the past that Russia was still a near military peer (well, behind US but not that far to this extent) to the US.
THIS CONFLICT has shown that Russia is nowhere near a military peer to the US. in fact I believe the US is just taking her time to slowly but surely drain Russia to a point that Russia will be inconsequential in any future conflict after they are done with them in Ukraine(the war will probably last another couple years by which time Russia will be another shadow of nits former self).
Had the US really committed itself completely in helping Ukraine(I.e focus even half of their might) Russia wouldn't have been able to sustain this war for even a few months to be honest. The thing is despite US hostility towards Russia, the U.S doesn't see Russia as a credible real threat to herself. Russia is just seen as an irritant to the US to be honest. Reason the US and its political/military establishment isn't really focused 100% on dealing with Russia in Ukraine. The US knows its real long term threat to its hegemony and world supremacy will be(is) China. Russianis just an afterthought and rightly so. Had China be the one fighting to invade another country(like Russia did with Ukraine) then you can be sure that the US reaction will be totally different. All US political, military and industrial establishment will be clamouring for the US to go 100% on a war footing, ramp up its military production and they will have provided all necessary military aid they could to that country and provide unconditional unlimited military and economic aid to that country to country to fight off the Chinese. So the US would have acted completely different and fully committed, since they view China as their principal number 1 threat today and in the coming decade. So in this regard I will say Russia is also lucky, since without the Chinese threat, US support in Ukriane will be different and even more precarious for Russia..

 

[kankan326]

Agree which is what most people here miss. This shows the power gap between US and Russia. Contrary to what many believed in the past that Russia was still a near military peer (well, behind US but not that far to this extent) to the US.
THIS CONFLICT has shown that Russia is nowhere near a military peer to the US. in fact I believe the US is just taking her time to slowly but surely drain Russia to a point that Russia will be inconsequential in any future conflict after they are done with them in Ukraine(the war will probably last another couple years by which time Russia will be another shadow of nits former self).
Had the US really committed itself completely in helping Ukraine(I.e focus even half of their might) Russia wouldn't have been able to sustain this war for even a few months to be honest. The thing is despite US hostility towards Russia, the Russia doesn't see Russia as a credible real threat to herself. Russia is just seen as an irritant to the US to be honest. Reason the US and its political/military establishment isn't really focused 100% on dealing with Russia in Ukraine. The US knows its real long term threat to its hegemony and world supremacy will be(is) China. Russianis just an afterthought and rightly so. Had China be the one fighting to invade another country(like Russia did with Ukraine) then you can be sure that the US reaction will be totally different. All US political, military and industrial establishment will be clamouring for the US to go 100% on a war footing, ramp up its military production and they will have provided all necessary military aid they could to that country and provide unconditional unlimited military and economic aid to that country to country to fight off the Chinese. So the US would have acted completely different and fully committed, since they view China as their principal number 1 threat today and in the coming decade. So in this regard I will say Russia is also lucky, since without the Chinese threat, US support in Ukriane will be different and even more precarious for Russia..

1, Russia hasn't fully extended its muscle either. See how Stalin militarized the country in ww2.
2, Americans may not realize the consequence of the war: US has lost its priviledge, which it used to have, to wage war to small countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. Because Russia( probably China too) will definitely intevene it. Iran and N.Korea are 100% safe now. And other countries like Saudi and South American countries will more frequently say no to US. Small countries will be mor independent from US influence. Which is no good for US. I dare to say US loses more than it gains from Ukraine war

 

[Beny Karachun]

1, Russia hasn't fully extended its muscle either. See how Stalin militarized the country in ww2.
2, Americans may not realize the consequence of the war: US has lost its priviledge, which it used to have, to wage war to small countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. Because Russia( probably China too) will definitely intevene it. Iran and N.Korea are 100% safe now. And other countries like Saudi and South American countries will more frequently say no to US. Small countries will be mor independent from US influence. Which is no good for US. I dare to say US loses more than it gains from Ukraine war

US definitely will invade anyone it wants lol, Chinese, let alone Russian response, is irrelevant.

Iran is safe? We kill their generals, scientists etc at their own capital.

 

[kankan326]

US definitely will invade anyone it wants lol, Chinese, let alone Russian response, is irrelevant.

Iran is safe? We kill their generals, scientists etc at their own capital.

Then the war will be Vietnam war 2.0

 

[Beny Karachun]

Then the war will be Vietnam war 2.0

Not really, modern technology today counters guerilla warfare.

US wrecked Iraq, wrecked Lybia, wrecked the Syrians and can wreck any other military in this world.

 

[kankan326]

Not really, modern technology today counters guerilla warfare.

US wrecked Iraq, wrecked Lybia, wrecked the Syrians and can wreck any other military in this world.

There was no big country supporting Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia (and maybe China too) will support the small country if it is invaded by US in the future. Do not forget. Guerilla can also get modern technology support. See how Houthis attacked Saudi by drones. Once the small country get enough drones and Beidou navigation, Guerilla can also bring a lot of deaths to US army.

 

[chinasun]

Ukraine is a protracted war, and only a year has passed. Usually it takes Americans ten years to calmly analyze the problem. Vietnam and Afghanistan both fought wars for ten years.

 

[Beny Karachun]

There was no big country supporting Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia (and maybe China too) will support the small country if it is invaded by US in the future. Do not forget. Guerilla can also get modern technology support. See how Houthis attacked Saudi by drones. Once the small country get enough drones and Beidou navigation, Guerilla can also bring a lot of deaths to US army.

Iraq had a stronger (or at least as strong) military than China in 1990. They weren't a second rate military. They had everything the USSR had to offer and a ton of it, but the US just destroyed it.

Saudi military isn't a good example. They got some really high tech weapons but this isn't what makes a military lethal. What makes a military lethal is the level of coordination it has. The expertise. Neither China nor Russia can provide that.

US knows how to deal with drones. CRAM, laser systems , EW and drones designed to take out enemy drones are all capable of that.

Also, be sure that the US won't let you send even a single weapon to its enemies.

 

[kankan326]

Iraq had a stronger (or at least as strong) military than China in 1990. They weren't a second rate military. They had everything the USSR had to offer and a ton of it, but the US just destroyed it.

Saudi military isn't a good example. They got some really high tech weapons but this isn't what makes a military lethal. What makes a military lethal is the level of coordination it has. The expertise. Neither China nor Russia can provide that.

US knows how to deal with drones. CRAM, laser systems , EW and drones designed to take out enemy drones are all capable of that.

Also, be sure that the US won't let you send even a single weapon to its enemies.

China can easily destory all nearby US military bases by thousands of missles carring nuclear warheads in 1990. How could Iraq have stronger miltary than China?

China can produce millions of drones in short time. I wonder how US would block big number of drones.

 

[Beny Karachun]

China can easily destory all nearby US military bases by thousands of missles carring nuclear warheads in 1990. How could Iraq have stronger miltary than China?

China can produce millions of drones in short time. I wonder how US would block big number of drones.

You got hundreds of nukes, not thousands. The destruction is mutual.

In 1990? It did. It was a big power. Whether Russia gave it more arms wouldn't have made any difference.

US is technologically superior to you. You'll see.