Chinese Navy (PLAN) News & Discussions

[Beast]

On some forums, some members say the 'Sovs' should be retired early................but that is silly. i mean the last 2 are barely a decade old, and they pack a massive armament.
It will be interesting to see how these turn out after their refits........obviously the electronics will be updated, and most likely their communication systems will as well, so they integrate into the fleet better with China's own newer warships!

First, all the system onboard Sov are ruskie, meaning datalink with the whole other fleet of PLAN will be minimal. Not to mention maintenance will be a nightmare. China needs to whole scratch build a maintenace based just to support this alien system. The Sov were bought out of desperation when Taiwan nearly declare independent during the 2000 period. As the PLAN technology were backward that time with no much option. Now with China technology advancing, these Sov are terrible.

I dare to say current Sov are even less capable than a 054A frigate besides the twin AK160 gun. The moskit are cumbersome and simply too big with huge infra signature and probably lack low level flying penetration compare to YJ-83 missiles. The AK630 or kashtan CWIS are so unimpressive that PLAN don't even bother to copy and plant it on their major warship. The whole Sov destroyer totally lack stealth and the propulsion system are outdated. Not to mention the sensor and radar.

If you keep track of PLAN news, it seems even the Kilo sub fleet lack activities and rarely on news or mission. I believe with more capable Yuan sub entering service. PLAN are slowly phasing out(mothball) these Kilo subs as they are maintenance nightmare for PLAN with all Ruskie system. Look at how problematic Indian sub fleet with their Kilo.

 

[aliaselin]

First, all the system onboard Sov are ruskie, meaning datalink with the whole other fleet of PLAN will be minimal. Not to mention maintenance will be a nightmare. China needs to whole scratch build a maintenace based just to support this alien system. The Sov were bought out of desperation when Taiwan nearly declare independent during the 2000 period. As the PLAN technology were backward that time with no much option. Now with China technology advancing, these Sov are terrible.

I dare to say current Sov are even less capable than a 054A frigate besides the twin AK160 gun. The moskit are cumbersome and simply too big with huge infra signature and probably lack low level flying penetration compare to YJ-83 missiles. The AK630 or kashtan CWIS are so unimpressive that PLAN don't even bother to copy and plant it on their major warship. The whole Sov destroyer totally lack stealth and the propulsion system are outdated. Not to mention the sensor and radar.

If you keep track of PLAN news, it seems even the Kilo sub fleet lack activities and rarely on news or mission. I believe with more capable Yuan sub entering service. PLAN are slowly phasing out(mothball) these Kilo subs as they are maintenance nightmare for PLAN with all Ruskie system. Look at how problematic Indian sub fleet with their Kilo.

Kilo is very good submarine. They have been refitted when receiving from Russian and have integrated with our system well. The only problem is they do not have AIP

 

[Beast]

Kilo is very good submarine. They have been refitted when receiving from Russian and have integrated with our system well. The only problem is they do not have AIP

PLAN kilo lack of activities in last few years are obvious. Even the few recent few high profile mission overseas are totally lack of Kilo sub involved. Like Song sub sent to Sri lanka visit and Somalia anti-sub mission.

Even Russian over protective of their sales equipment. I doubt there is much localisation of PLAN Kilo sub. Ruskie product in PLAN inventory will be rapidly phased out in next few years.

 

[english_man]

All this goes to show how rapidly Chinese military technology has advanced during this century!

I still think its worthwhile for the Chinese military to keep the 'Sovs' for sometime, as they add some useful force and numbers to the Destroyer fleet. Currently the 'Luda' class is being retired, as they are really obsolete now, and they are the Navies first and foremost Destroyers to be replaced by the 052C's and 05D's.

Regarding Submarines....i've read today an article stating that Russia is prepared to sell its new Submarine design the 'Amur 1650' to China!

The Russian submarine the Amur 1650 is a modern version of the Kilo-class Russian submarine with improved acoustic stealth, new combat systems, and air-independent propulsion. The new Russian submarine would have a service life of about 50 years, and is expected to come with long range weapons in addition to anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons.

 

[Sasquatch]

China's rail gun entering the final phase of trials and tests。

It is a well-known fact that Chinese in general，and PLAN in particular，are conservative folks。So you won't see the gun deployed on Type 055 DDG。

But Type 055A。。。

Excellent I have heard no news of the rail gun since 2011. I'm eager to see it.

 

[Beast]

All this goes to show how rapidly Chinese military technology has advanced during this century!

I still think its worthwhile for the Chinese military to keep the 'Sovs' for sometime, as they add some useful force and numbers to the Destroyer fleet. Currently the 'Luda' class is being retired, as they are really obsolete now, and they are the Navies first and foremost Destroyers to be replaced by the 052C's and 05D's.

Regarding Submarines....i've read today an article stating that Russia is prepared to sell its new Submarine design the 'Amur 1650' to China!

The Russian submarine the Amur 1650 is a modern version of the Kilo-class Russian submarine with improved acoustic stealth, new combat systems, and air-independent propulsion. The new Russian submarine would have a service life of about 50 years, and is expected to come with long range weapons in addition to anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons.

I don't think Chinese will be interested in Russia sub and warship anymore. They can be tons of rumours but non will materialize. Russian in electronic and sensors sectors are badly lacking behind. They need to invest again in RD to put themselves ahead again.

 

[帅的一匹]

Russia will buy destroyer from China in the future, mark my word.

 

[Beast]

Russia will buy destroyer from China in the future, mark my word.

Yup!
The French just screw the Russian up with the mistral deliver date. But Russian desperate needs the LHD for their navy and the need to advance their shipbuilding capabilities.

This left them with Chinese option only. On top of that, they will save plenty of currency with Chinese accept barter trade of crude oil from Russia.

 

[帅的一匹]

As China is getting stronger everyday in navy, Russia will consider Chinese weapon for stop gap as their destroyer are obsolete. Russia shall get off from high horse and being realistic.

 

[cirr]

Short of funds is the biggest challenge facing a PLAN that tries to rapidly modernize its fleets。

Yes，short of funds。

 

[Beast]

Short of funds is the biggest challenge facing a PLAN that tries to rapidly modernize its fleets。

Yes，short of funds。

I don't think so. With Xi in charge, he will put PLAN modernization in priority. Probably 2015 will be a big year for PLAN since 2014 is a disappointed year for PLAN.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Regarding Submarines....i've read today an article stating that Russia is prepared to sell its new Submarine design the 'Amur 1650' to China!

The Russian submarine the Amur 1650 is a modern version of the Kilo-class Russian submarine with improved acoustic stealth, new combat systems, and air-independent propulsion. The new Russian submarine would have a service life of about 50 years, and is expected to come with long range weapons in addition to anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons.

Like the Su-35 deal, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[english_man]

In response to my earlier post, ive noticed that some members are dubious as to the deal that China may buy further Russian submarines. For reference this was only part of the deal, as Russia is prepared to sell more fighters to China, plus the S-400 anti-aircraft system.
Who knows whether this situation will become reality, and in fact the article where this information came from, stated its was more in Russia's favour to do a deal with China, as Russia is suffering from a tight squeeze financially, put upon itself by the EU and the US over the Ukraine crisis.
Personally i think it benefits China as it adds some strength to their military........i wasnt suggesting that China particularly needed the Russian offer, as i reckon by the end of this decade, China's military will solely be buying homemade equipment!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In response to my earlier post, ive noticed that some members are dubious as to the deal that China may buy further Russian submarines. For reference this was only part of the deal, as Russia is prepared to sell more fighters to China, plus the S-400 anti-aircraft system.
Who knows whether this situation will become reality, and in fact the article where this information came from, stated its was more in Russia's favour to do a deal with China, as Russia is suffering from a tight squeeze financially, put upon itself by the EU and the US over the Ukraine crisis.
Personally i think it benefits China as it adds some strength to their military........i wasnt suggesting that China particularly needed the Russian offer, as i reckon by the end of this decade, China's military will solely be buying homemade equipment!

We are trying to help Russia to boost their manufacturing sector under the harsh sanctions.

 

[cirr]

I don't think so. With Xi in charge, he will put PLAN modernization in priority. Probably 2015 will be a big year for PLAN since 2014 is a disappointed year for PLAN.

disappointed？What do you mean？

2014 has turned out to be THE biggest year in PLAN history。

Not all things are visible to the eyes。There are feverish activities behind the scenes。

As for lack of funds，a tell-tale sign will be the armament set-up of the 4 Type 071A LPDs that are under construction at HDS。