Chinese Navy (PLAN) News & Discussions

[grey boy 2]

Satellite images of Dalian on (9/17/2017) 大连9.17卫星图 (055 052D DDG 2+1 在建中)
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[samsara]

China has the world’s biggest military force.
Now Xi Jinping wants it to be the best​

Big changes in the wings for China’s military hardware and top brass

SCMP - Minnie Chan - 2017-10-19

The Chinese military will embark on a massive hardware upgrade and top personnel shake-up under President Xi Jinping’s orders for the PLA to become a world-class fighting force in the next three decades.

Laying out his ambitious plan for the People’s Liberation Army in a report to the Communist Party’s national congress on Wednesday, Xi said the PLA must modernise by 2035 and become a top-ranked military by 2050.

• “A military force is built to fight. Our military must regard combat readiness as the goal for all its work and focus on how to win when it is called upon,” Xi said.
• He said technology was at the core of combat strength and the PLA needed to apply information technology and modern warfare strategies to advance.
• Xi also said the military’s ongoing overhaul should include changes to the PLA’s top brass, better integration between the civilian and military sectors, and stronger border defence forces.

Military specialists said Xi was urging the PLA to ramp up equipment and troop changes and promote more young generals to put the military on a par with its Western counterparts.

The PLA has been through an upheaval this year, with its seven military regions trimmed down to five theatre commands and the navy benefiting from a major build-up.

The changes come as China continues to bicker with its neighbours over claims in the South and East China seas and is extending its military presence abroad, setting up a base in Djibouti.

Beijing has also been driven to modernise by the US’ military deployment in the Asia-Pacific [namely Pivot to Asia] and Washington’s defence ties with China’s neighbours.

Beijing-based military expert Zhou Chenming said the 2050 goal suggested Xi felt China faced the looming threat of a security crisis.

“After several decades of peace with the end of the Cold War, China is now facing a lot of security challenges, and Xi foresees that a war could happen at any time. But the PLA’s fighting capacity still lags behind those of the world’s superpowers like the United States,” Zhou said.

Military analysts also said the powerful Central Military Commission, which Xi chairs, was destined for big changes. Nearly 90 per cent of the military delegates to the party congress are new faces while two CMC heavyweights have been ousted.

General Li Zuocheng, a decorated veteran of the Sino-Vietnamese war, be the CMC’s Joint Staff Department, and Admiral Miao Hua, formerly the PLA Navy’s political commissar, be the head of the commission’s Political Work Department.

Hong Kong-based military observer Liang Guoliang said Xi might promote more generals like Li with real combat experience or other young innovative senior officers to the CMC.

“Xi understands that China’s military strategies created by Mao Zedong, such as partisan tactics and the human wave strategy, are all outdated. Only new generals are willing to come up with new thinking to meet the military’s modernisation,” Liang said.

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• Just place great emphasis on it and be greatly committed, and apply acceleration programs
• If sense looming threats then must be ready in time... much better again be so powerful that it changes any adversary's mind to abandon the violent means, for non-violent way solution is still preferable
• Sets a schedule far away enough yet cut short its realization time
• Simply cannot take the chance to be another modern times Athens

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[cnleio]

China launching 43x type056 corvettes, 36x serving in PLAN

 

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[grey boy 2]

The finished product of "167" DDG after the upgrading

 

[Title1234]

It is an interesting topic as the then situation was so dramatic. I'd like to add in more of my observation here.

I sort of agree that China is holding full control of that area now solely based on official announcements from both governments. However officially admitting delaying the road construction (some would argue the wording was only implying a postponement as what you said, but I saw most people thought it was very obvious) without clearly stating that it will surely be continued in near future, has changed quite a few things on both sides which could have long term impact.

First thing is Modi can stay in office for longer now. It allows Modi to continue on his reform and disappoints the opposition parties which approached the Chinese embassy in early stage of the stand-off. Therefore China lost useful friends in India by saving Modi.

Interestingly during the stand-off I contacted one Indian friend because of some personal things. He told me at least in his area it was very chaotic as people were on a huge strike, public transport and other services were all stopped. Count in the riot after the conviction of the rapist guru, as well as serious disorders in other places, Modi's administration was in a horrible shape during the time.

Apparently Modi is not welcomed by any other major world power, which is why they didn't pick side during the stand-off although Modi expected their supports, because no one wants a modernized India, even though Modi's reform would likely fail. I can't help but think China's best choice is further embarrassing Modi, taking him down to ensure India stays weak in the competition.

However, by announcing the delay on the road construction, Xi rendered himself at least not smart or competent enough to the Chinese nationalists, especially when India has a salami slicing strategy on the disputed border area which annoys the Chinese online communities from time to time. As such I noticed some very strong criticism in Chinese online communities even under very strict censorship and being deleted very quickly. As what I saw, many felt betrayed by the announcement by Hu Chunying.

Please note that such criticism was not from any western backed puppets such as the utterly stinky FLG, etc. The main stream culture in China rejects anything which could hurt unity (funny the western media don't know about it at all or just ignore it on purpose). So the criticism really matters as it follows the main stream and abides by the growing nationalism.

The rapidly growing nationalism, especially Han nationalism, further fueled by some PLA backed movies recently, passed some strong signals and also raised alerts to government think tanks. I read two of their articles on some online forums including the popular CJDBY. They agreed that the vague statements issued by the foreign ministry caused hard feeling broadly but also criticized the over grown Han nationalism which makes it hard for the government to steer its policies. This Han nationalism is really a double sword to the government.

I personally believe the final handling of the road construction issue counter-stimulated the nationalism.

Further growth of Han nationalism will be more and more interesting to many observers, as what can be seen at this border stand-off, and its implication to future political development of China shall not be ignored.

China need time to modernize and improve living than war that spent a lot of moneys both country still have many poor people that need helping by both government. t

 

[Title1234]

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IMHO, ... ...

1*) 99% of Indians who can read and write in their Social Medias very much hate Chinese and PRC all the way to their Indian bones for being embarrassed big time and losing that 1962 war, and being significantly behind PRC in so many state of the art technological fields.

NOTE:
There is no need to dance around and mince our words on this fact below.

You @Figaro shall know this, 75% of white americese hate Chinese and PRC as well as Indians.
United Scums americese is the Slave and the Puppets master.

There will be no Eternal Peace for China until ... ...
we disintegrate and Obliterate India and united scums americese, and free up Okinawa from Japan.

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2*) We shall encourage Indian to urgently buy all those foreign western, americese, and Russian weapons as much as possible. These weapons purchases will make India weaker. Why ?

Because now, Combined Arms and All Dimensions Combat Management are the way of war.
On the hardware side, Drones and Satellite warfare at the frontline, follow by Missile Warfare, and then combined arms of Air Force, Navy, and Army.

a*) Because, all these weapon supplying nations will overcharge Indian as much as they can.
b*) This mean Indian will deplete their financial resources even more, and divert those much needed funds away from Indian Domestic Weapon Industrial base and Infrastructure Build up.

c*) All these foreign weapon will create even bigger chaos and countless headaches for Indians to flawlessly integrate in order to create a Combined Arms army.

d*) We will use Indian money to help our backbone ally RUSSIA economically.

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3*) We shall support those factions who want to break up India from inside.

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PRC shall send as many Warships and Submarines, and Drones as possible ( minimum 6 warships + 6 submarines + 10 Drones) to exercise in IOR and around Diego Garcia. PLAN shall familiarize themselves with IOR, as well as ECS and SCS.

The same as well for PLAAF. They shall ask Myanmar overflight permission and conduct regular PLAAF exercises ( minimum 6x per year ) around Bay of Bengals and Andaman Island.

India is not only hateChina they hate Pakistan Bangladesh Burma Putan all country around them. Like a little jealous girl event they are a man that is nature of their habit and culture and other country around them hate India because of their selfish attitude .

 

[Title1234]

Wow... are you drunk or something?

Are you high on drugs?

 

[lcloo]

China need time to modernize and improve living than war that spent a lot of moneys both country still have many poor people that need helping by both government. t

Worry not, China is aiming to help the rest of poor people to achieve medium income class by year 2020. which is less than 3 years from now. China already helped more than 800 million low income people out of poverty.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...n-people-out-of-poverty-is-historicwb/1166772

 

[samsara]

China need time to modernize and improve living than war that spent a lot of moneys both country still have many poor people that need helping by both government. t

First of all it is not a mutually exclusive choice! And China does not ignore those people welfare development segment. But it's definitely not a direct offset with the defence development. There's a fine and intricate balance among all sector development.

Worry not, China ain't a militarily aggressive, warring nation like the current Empire, to engage into the military adventures around the globe!

Indeed what China much badly needs is to increase even accelerate its hard forte in order to prevent any real hot war!!

In the REAL world, not the mere hypothetical or philosophical one, some entities can only pay respects to the real forte... ignoring all other traits. Being overwhelmingly strong will convince some adventurers from seeking the wild, violent, shortcut solutions... it's in turn will promote peace and amicable solutions!!

It's imperative that China must avoid being another modern times Athens or its own Tang Dynasty, or simply a redux of Opium Wars; Shimonoseki Treaty and so forth... being an entity that naively and recklessly focusing only on economic and cultural development etc while ignoring the committed self-defence build-up to safe guard own interests amidst a menacing world.... let alone another tiger (or other tigers) even a small stray dog on the nearby neighbourhood would be bold enough to steal the belonging as did happen in the past... if the Middle Kingdom is seen as weak enough to defend its possessions....

Fortunately the Xi's recent 3.5-hour-long speech has much convinced the Chinese people that Xi ain't an ignorant, delusional leader, on the contrary as an excellent leader he's much down to earth and is very keen, even assertive in what the nation truly needs in its developmental paths!

Very sorry, Life is pretty real, there's just no place for any naivety as well as weakness... for the prices to bear will just be too bitter...

And needless to say it's way better to become a benevolent strong than a dumb, patsy giant

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"Si vis pacem, para bellum, if you wish for peace, prepare for war." - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus in 'Epitoma Rei Militaris'

 

[samsara]

The transformation of the destroyer Hangzhou #136, of Project 956E originated from the Russian class, takes shape: HQ-10, HQ-16C, YJ-12A, electronics... etc.

East Pendulum @HenriKenhmann 2017-10-23
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[Stuttgart001]

The transformation of the destroyer Hangzhou #136, of Project 956E originated from the Russian class, takes shape: HQ-10, HQ-16C, YJ-12A, electronics... etc.

East Pendulum @HenriKenhmann 2017-10-23
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Havn't the 136 finished the refittment ?
Do you have more pics ?

 

[samsara]

The very first female deputy commander of the Chinese Navy

https://twitter.com/x/status/922326871404089344

Wei Huixiao （韦慧晓）, during her internship as Deputy Commander on board the destroyer Changchun. A white collar in telecommunication, a doctor in earth sciences, and now a naval officer at the command of a destroyer. (Via Henri K. - East Pendulum)

Wei Huixiao during her volunteering works in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR). Between August 2005 and July 2006, the young student decided to participate in the program "Chinese Youth Volunteer" to teach in a nursery school in the plateau, before returning to university to continue her PhD. (Via Henri K. - East Pendulum)

More about this fascinating personality at the other time, perhaps

Havn't the 136 finished the refittment ?
Do you have more pics ?

Sorry can't help at all, solely quoted the tweet of Henri K. perhaps other members will do.
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[cirr]

Naval technology to ride wave of global leadership, top engineer says

2017-10-24 15:34

hinadaily.com.cn Editor: Liang Meichen

Chinese naval shipbuilding technology will leap into the global front ranks in the near future, a senior naval engineer said on Tuesday.[Special coverage]

Naval ships, such as aircraft carriers, are considered "instruments of national significance, and China has achieved great development in naval shipbuilding since 2012,"said Wu Xiaoguang, the chief designer of China's first domestic aircraft carrier.

"An aircraft carrier is the crown jewel of military engineering, it is extremely complex and intricately designed,"he told reporters on the sidelines of the 19th National Congress of the Communist Party of China.

"Everything on the carrier, down to every special metal plating, electronics, equipment, as well as planes, missiles, and sea mines are all products of Chinese ingenuity,"he said.

On April 26, China launched its first domestically developed aircraft carrier in Dalian, Northeast China's Liaoning province. On June 28, China launched its Type 055 class large guided-missile destroyer, one of China's newest and most advanced warships.

"China is fully capable of producing mid-to-large size aircraft carriers and large size destroyers,"he added.

China is a major maritime nation, with 80 percent of all goods transported via sea, Wu said. At the same time, China is the world's largest trading nation, with huge migration of workers and tourists.

As the Belt and Road Initiative progresses, China's overseas investment and workers will increase dramatically, "they will need protection from naval ships", he said.

China did not have an overseas logistic facility until its Djibouti base opened in August. All of the previous naval training, as well as peacekeeping and escort missions required sailors and ships to sail for months without logistical support, he said.

"But our navy has always completed their missions with flying colors,"he said. "In a way, this shows our technical achievements and progress."

In recent years, China has been constantly dishing out new vessels because "many of our ships are outdated or passed their service years,"he said. Still, Wu is hopeful that his teams, which have an average age of 37, will continue to contribute to China's growing naval capability.

"In the near future, I am confident that our shipbuilding technology will leap into the front ranks of the world,"he said.

http://www.ecns.cn/2017/10-24/278242.shtml