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China's DDGs Set To Outnumber Neighbors'
By Wendell Minnick 9:19 p.m. EST January 8, 2015
China's DDGs Set To Outnumber Neighbors'
China's Navy will outnumber the largest competitor in the region — Japan — in the number of phased-array radar-equipped destroyers in 2018, if production continues on schedule.
On Dec. 22, China commissioned its fifth 052C destroyer, the Jinan, leaving one last ship of that type to be finished.
The People's Liberation Army Navy's (PLAN's) procurement of Luyang-class Type 052C/Ds and Type 055 guided-missile cruisers with phased-array radars will provide long range anti-aircraft warfare (AAW) support to four planned carrier strike groups. They will also provide coverage for high value units such as 20,000-ton Type 081 amphibious assault ships, said Tony Beitinger, vice president of market intelligence for AMI International.
"AMI anticipates that the PLAN will build: six Type 052Cs, eight 052Ds and six Type 055 cruisers. The 052Cs are already in the PLAN inventory while the 052Ds are under construction and will enter service by 2018. The new cruiser design should start construction by 2016 and conclude in 2024."
Toshi Yoshihara, author of the book, "Red Star Over the Pacific," said, excluding the US Navy, this buildup will "tilt the naval balance of power in maritime Asia." The only two other Asian navies with warships of equivalent capability are Japan's, with six phased-array radar-equipped destroyers, with plans to build two more, and the South Korean Navy, with three similar destroyers.
China's new destroyer deployments will "significantly increase the PLAN's ability to operate at distance, with its own AAW capability much improved," said Bernard "Bud" Cole, author of the book, "The Great Wall at Sea." It will make the PLAN more formidable in the face of possible opposition from Japan or other Asian naval and air forces, he said.
The question is whether confidence matches competence. Most sources agree the ships will be no match for destroyers deployed by Japan, South Korea and the US Navy.
"One swallow does not make a spring; neither does any specific vessel make a comprehensive operational picture in the maritime theater," said Ching Chang, a research fellow at Taiwan's ROC Society for Strategic Studies.
"The 052C/Ds have a long way to go in terms of matching the US Navy's Arleigh Burke-class," Chang said. "Please check the signal cables' arrangements to the mast and the navigation light allocations on the stern. It is pathetic to spend so much money to build a major combatant with such a low level of industrial discipline."
One-to-one comparisons are problematic, Yoshihara said. "The 052s have to be put in the context of China's unique strategic and operational needs. Individual ship capabilities and total ship numbers may fall short compared to the US Navy. But, the 052s may be good enough for China's local circumstances."
Chang calls it dangerous and lethal to believe that the PLAN will completely emulate the US Navy in either hardware or software.
"The mission role of the 052-class destroyer may not be necessarily identical to any equivalent of other navies," he said.
There are many indications revealing that PLAN exercises with destroyers are conducted differently from the US Navy. "The PLAN surface combatants coordinate intensively with the bombers from either their Navy or aviation units or their [People's Liberation Army Air Force] colleagues." This is also true with their joint operational exercises conducted by surface combatants with their shore missile batteries, fast attack missile boats, and submarines, Chang said.
Chang warned that it might be fun for military fans to compare the 052C/Ds with the Arleigh Burke, but "we should remember that the maritime campaign was not and will not engage pairwise between equivalent combatants."
AMI's Beitinger said that although the 052s are primarily being built for fleet air defense within a larger carrier group force structure, "they also will have the capability to contribute medium/long range air defense of national infrastructure, coastal and offshore, in an integrated national air defense system."
James Holmes, professor of strategy, US Naval War College, said that if China can mass shore- and ship-based armaments against US task forces, the outcome could be very different than what ship-to-ship comparisons imply.
"The naval balance depends on where on the map a confrontation takes place," he said. "In all likelihood, that will be in the China seas or adjacent waters, within reach of shore-based components of Chinese seapower. These are the great equalizer. Or could be if Chinese armaments live up to their billing."
The new destroyers will serve as PLAN's "workhorses," giving the Navy more flexibility, Yoshihara said. Roles include forming surface action groups, joining amphibious task forces, and pickets for carrier strike groups. "In a Taiwan contingency, the 052s could also provide area-wide air defense coverage near or over the island, complicating Taipei's ability to defend its airspace."
Holmes added: "It is true that our Burkes carry more rounds of ammunition, more fuel, and so forth than the Type 052s. But it's also true that PLA Navy task forces will operate under the protective umbrella of shore-based tactical aircraft and missiles. And they will have missile-armed patrol craft and diesel submarines to act as offshore pickets."
Carrier Issues
The 052D and 055 ship construction schedules mirror the three-ship aircraft carrier program underway. The three conventionally powered carriers are to enter service between 2020 and 2024 in addition to the aircraft carrier Liaoning, which entered service in 2012, AMI's Beitinger said.
The multimission 052C/Ds and later the 055 guided-missile cruisers will provide long-range air defense as well as a more balanced AAW/point defense, anti-surface warfare and anti-submarine warfare capability compared to earlier major surface combatant designs.
The PLAN will probably employ one cruiser and two destroyers as part of a carrier strike group or amphibious group, he said.
The PLAN remains in the nascent stages of carrier operations and training and will continue to incrementally integrate additional ships, submarines and aircraft into a strike group structure over the next decade, Beitinger said.
AMI expects regional countries will view these developments as a "significant threat to stability, particularly as the PLAN refines and perfects its ability to operate a carrier or amphibious strike group and project power at sea or over land."
As for the US and Taiwan, "the PLAN will further develop its anti-access/area-denial capabilities using ballistic missiles, submarines and carrier strike groups as part of a layered strategy to control and deny access to areas of the South China Sea and East China Sea," Beitinger said.
By Wendell Minnick 9:19 p.m. EST January 8, 2015
China's DDGs Set To Outnumber Neighbors'
China's Navy will outnumber the largest competitor in the region — Japan — in the number of phased-array radar-equipped destroyers in 2018, if production continues on schedule.
On Dec. 22, China commissioned its fifth 052C destroyer, the Jinan, leaving one last ship of that type to be finished.
The People's Liberation Army Navy's (PLAN's) procurement of Luyang-class Type 052C/Ds and Type 055 guided-missile cruisers with phased-array radars will provide long range anti-aircraft warfare (AAW) support to four planned carrier strike groups. They will also provide coverage for high value units such as 20,000-ton Type 081 amphibious assault ships, said Tony Beitinger, vice president of market intelligence for AMI International.
"AMI anticipates that the PLAN will build: six Type 052Cs, eight 052Ds and six Type 055 cruisers. The 052Cs are already in the PLAN inventory while the 052Ds are under construction and will enter service by 2018. The new cruiser design should start construction by 2016 and conclude in 2024."
Toshi Yoshihara, author of the book, "Red Star Over the Pacific," said, excluding the US Navy, this buildup will "tilt the naval balance of power in maritime Asia." The only two other Asian navies with warships of equivalent capability are Japan's, with six phased-array radar-equipped destroyers, with plans to build two more, and the South Korean Navy, with three similar destroyers.
China's new destroyer deployments will "significantly increase the PLAN's ability to operate at distance, with its own AAW capability much improved," said Bernard "Bud" Cole, author of the book, "The Great Wall at Sea." It will make the PLAN more formidable in the face of possible opposition from Japan or other Asian naval and air forces, he said.
The question is whether confidence matches competence. Most sources agree the ships will be no match for destroyers deployed by Japan, South Korea and the US Navy.
"One swallow does not make a spring; neither does any specific vessel make a comprehensive operational picture in the maritime theater," said Ching Chang, a research fellow at Taiwan's ROC Society for Strategic Studies.
"The 052C/Ds have a long way to go in terms of matching the US Navy's Arleigh Burke-class," Chang said. "Please check the signal cables' arrangements to the mast and the navigation light allocations on the stern. It is pathetic to spend so much money to build a major combatant with such a low level of industrial discipline."
One-to-one comparisons are problematic, Yoshihara said. "The 052s have to be put in the context of China's unique strategic and operational needs. Individual ship capabilities and total ship numbers may fall short compared to the US Navy. But, the 052s may be good enough for China's local circumstances."
Chang calls it dangerous and lethal to believe that the PLAN will completely emulate the US Navy in either hardware or software.
"The mission role of the 052-class destroyer may not be necessarily identical to any equivalent of other navies," he said.
There are many indications revealing that PLAN exercises with destroyers are conducted differently from the US Navy. "The PLAN surface combatants coordinate intensively with the bombers from either their Navy or aviation units or their [People's Liberation Army Air Force] colleagues." This is also true with their joint operational exercises conducted by surface combatants with their shore missile batteries, fast attack missile boats, and submarines, Chang said.
Chang warned that it might be fun for military fans to compare the 052C/Ds with the Arleigh Burke, but "we should remember that the maritime campaign was not and will not engage pairwise between equivalent combatants."
AMI's Beitinger said that although the 052s are primarily being built for fleet air defense within a larger carrier group force structure, "they also will have the capability to contribute medium/long range air defense of national infrastructure, coastal and offshore, in an integrated national air defense system."
James Holmes, professor of strategy, US Naval War College, said that if China can mass shore- and ship-based armaments against US task forces, the outcome could be very different than what ship-to-ship comparisons imply.
"The naval balance depends on where on the map a confrontation takes place," he said. "In all likelihood, that will be in the China seas or adjacent waters, within reach of shore-based components of Chinese seapower. These are the great equalizer. Or could be if Chinese armaments live up to their billing."
The new destroyers will serve as PLAN's "workhorses," giving the Navy more flexibility, Yoshihara said. Roles include forming surface action groups, joining amphibious task forces, and pickets for carrier strike groups. "In a Taiwan contingency, the 052s could also provide area-wide air defense coverage near or over the island, complicating Taipei's ability to defend its airspace."
Holmes added: "It is true that our Burkes carry more rounds of ammunition, more fuel, and so forth than the Type 052s. But it's also true that PLA Navy task forces will operate under the protective umbrella of shore-based tactical aircraft and missiles. And they will have missile-armed patrol craft and diesel submarines to act as offshore pickets."
Carrier Issues
The 052D and 055 ship construction schedules mirror the three-ship aircraft carrier program underway. The three conventionally powered carriers are to enter service between 2020 and 2024 in addition to the aircraft carrier Liaoning, which entered service in 2012, AMI's Beitinger said.
The multimission 052C/Ds and later the 055 guided-missile cruisers will provide long-range air defense as well as a more balanced AAW/point defense, anti-surface warfare and anti-submarine warfare capability compared to earlier major surface combatant designs.
The PLAN will probably employ one cruiser and two destroyers as part of a carrier strike group or amphibious group, he said.
The PLAN remains in the nascent stages of carrier operations and training and will continue to incrementally integrate additional ships, submarines and aircraft into a strike group structure over the next decade, Beitinger said.
AMI expects regional countries will view these developments as a "significant threat to stability, particularly as the PLAN refines and perfects its ability to operate a carrier or amphibious strike group and project power at sea or over land."
As for the US and Taiwan, "the PLAN will further develop its anti-access/area-denial capabilities using ballistic missiles, submarines and carrier strike groups as part of a layered strategy to control and deny access to areas of the South China Sea and East China Sea," Beitinger said.
Three massive warships wow the crowds in Portsmouth, the home of the Royal Navy: It's just a pity they're CHINESE, not British
Published: 17:32 GMT, 12 January 2015 | Updated: 00:26 GMT, 13 January 2015
Three Chinese naval ships have docked at a British base for a formal visit that samples the strength of the fleet being built up by the country.
Chinese ambassador Liu Xiaoming and hundreds of flag-waving UK-based Chinese residents welcomed the ships into Portsmouth Naval Base.
Heading a task group on enhancing military understanding between the two countries is the assault ship Chang Bai Shan.
She was accompanied by the frigate Yun Cheng and the replenishment ship Chaohu at the Hampshire dockyard.
During the five-day visit, senior officers from both navies will discuss maritime topics including counter-piracy operations across the Indian Ocean.
Arrival: Three Chinese Naval ships berthed at Portsmouth Dockyard today. HMS Warrior (bottom) and HMS Victory (right) can also be seen
At the front: Heading the task group on improving military understanding between the countries is the assault ship Chang Bai Shan (pictured)
Also on the scene: The assault ship has been accompanied by the frigate Yun Cheng (pictured) and the replenishment ship Chaohu
The visit comes seven months after a report from the US Pentagon which examined how China was growing the size and reach of its naval fleet.
And that followed revelations that China was increasing its military budget by 12 per cent to more than £86billion - compared to £33billion in the UK.
China now spends three times as much as India on defence - and more than neighbouring Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan and South Korea put together.
Task group commander Rear Admiral Zhang Chuansha said: ‘Our visit to the UK is a good opportunity to enhance our understanding of each other.
‘It’s a great opportunity for our sailors to get exposure to local people and our counterparts in the British Navy.
‘All sailors share something in common. We share the same sea, the same international obligations such as dealing with piracy.'
Chinese warships arrive in Portsmouth for a formal visit
Standing to attention: Members of the Chinese Navy stand aboard the assault ship Chang Bai Shan at Portsmouth Royal Navy Base today
Sailors: During the five-day visit, senior officers will discuss maritime topics including counter-piracy operations across the Indian Ocean
Ambassador Liu Xiaoming said: ‘This visit gives a flavour of the partnership between China and the UK.
‘It is also good for the British public to understand the Chinese military and what it is able to do. It has been seven years since our last visit.
‘The world has changed and so has the reach of the Chinese navy.
'We’ve carried out 48 missions in the Gulf region in that time and helped to protect 6,000 vessels.
‘So we have a lot to talk about - there is a lot for the two navies to share.
'And this visit will go a long way to strengthening our relationship.’
Commodore Jeremy Rigby, naval base commander, said: ‘We welcome our Chinese visitors to the operational home of the Royal Navy.
‘As with our ship visits abroad, these events are not only of great diplomatic significance, but also very useful militarily given that we share similar global challenges including counter-piracy, preventing conflict, protecting our citizens overseas and supporting UN peacekeeping efforts.
‘China, like us, relies on trade at sea for its prosperity and we work together around the world.
‘The visit to Portsmouth is a really good way for us to talk, navy to navy, with like-minded sailors, sharing information on our operations.’
Smiling: Hundreds of flag-waving UK-based Chinese residents (right) were among those who welcomed the ships into Portsmouth Naval Base
Waving the flags: Crew members from the vessels will be given tours of attractions including HMS Victory, HMS Warrior and the Mary Rose
Crew members from all three vessels will be given tours of local attractions including HMS Victory, HMS Warrior and the Mary Rose.
They will also be shown around the Royal Navy’s newest warship, Type 45 destroyer HMS Duncan.
The two nations will also compete in badminton and basketball matches at HMS Temeraire in Portsmouth - the Navy’s home of physical training.
The ships’ last port of call was Salalah in Oman and they will leave Portsmouth this Friday to head for Kiel in Germany.
More of the article:
Chinese warships wow the crowds in Portsmouth | Daily Mail Online
Published: 17:32 GMT, 12 January 2015 | Updated: 00:26 GMT, 13 January 2015
Three Chinese naval ships have docked at a British base for a formal visit that samples the strength of the fleet being built up by the country.
Chinese ambassador Liu Xiaoming and hundreds of flag-waving UK-based Chinese residents welcomed the ships into Portsmouth Naval Base.
Heading a task group on enhancing military understanding between the two countries is the assault ship Chang Bai Shan.
She was accompanied by the frigate Yun Cheng and the replenishment ship Chaohu at the Hampshire dockyard.
During the five-day visit, senior officers from both navies will discuss maritime topics including counter-piracy operations across the Indian Ocean.
Arrival: Three Chinese Naval ships berthed at Portsmouth Dockyard today. HMS Warrior (bottom) and HMS Victory (right) can also be seen
At the front: Heading the task group on improving military understanding between the countries is the assault ship Chang Bai Shan (pictured)
Also on the scene: The assault ship has been accompanied by the frigate Yun Cheng (pictured) and the replenishment ship Chaohu
The visit comes seven months after a report from the US Pentagon which examined how China was growing the size and reach of its naval fleet.
And that followed revelations that China was increasing its military budget by 12 per cent to more than £86billion - compared to £33billion in the UK.
China now spends three times as much as India on defence - and more than neighbouring Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan and South Korea put together.
Task group commander Rear Admiral Zhang Chuansha said: ‘Our visit to the UK is a good opportunity to enhance our understanding of each other.
‘It’s a great opportunity for our sailors to get exposure to local people and our counterparts in the British Navy.
‘All sailors share something in common. We share the same sea, the same international obligations such as dealing with piracy.'
Chinese warships arrive in Portsmouth for a formal visit
Standing to attention: Members of the Chinese Navy stand aboard the assault ship Chang Bai Shan at Portsmouth Royal Navy Base today
Sailors: During the five-day visit, senior officers will discuss maritime topics including counter-piracy operations across the Indian Ocean
Ambassador Liu Xiaoming said: ‘This visit gives a flavour of the partnership between China and the UK.
‘It is also good for the British public to understand the Chinese military and what it is able to do. It has been seven years since our last visit.
‘The world has changed and so has the reach of the Chinese navy.
'We’ve carried out 48 missions in the Gulf region in that time and helped to protect 6,000 vessels.
‘So we have a lot to talk about - there is a lot for the two navies to share.
'And this visit will go a long way to strengthening our relationship.’
Commodore Jeremy Rigby, naval base commander, said: ‘We welcome our Chinese visitors to the operational home of the Royal Navy.
‘As with our ship visits abroad, these events are not only of great diplomatic significance, but also very useful militarily given that we share similar global challenges including counter-piracy, preventing conflict, protecting our citizens overseas and supporting UN peacekeeping efforts.
‘China, like us, relies on trade at sea for its prosperity and we work together around the world.
‘The visit to Portsmouth is a really good way for us to talk, navy to navy, with like-minded sailors, sharing information on our operations.’
Smiling: Hundreds of flag-waving UK-based Chinese residents (right) were among those who welcomed the ships into Portsmouth Naval Base
Waving the flags: Crew members from the vessels will be given tours of attractions including HMS Victory, HMS Warrior and the Mary Rose
Crew members from all three vessels will be given tours of local attractions including HMS Victory, HMS Warrior and the Mary Rose.
They will also be shown around the Royal Navy’s newest warship, Type 45 destroyer HMS Duncan.
The two nations will also compete in badminton and basketball matches at HMS Temeraire in Portsmouth - the Navy’s home of physical training.
The ships’ last port of call was Salalah in Oman and they will leave Portsmouth this Friday to head for Kiel in Germany.
More of the article:
Chinese warships wow the crowds in Portsmouth | Daily Mail Online
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