Chinese nationalism goes viral

[KS]

Indian media is uniformly jingoistic when it comes to Pakistan. Not one of them ever shows the Pakistani point of view.

Compare that to Pakistani media like DAWN.com which has had an Indian columnist on it's front page for the longest time. DAWN routinely prints the Indian viewpoint on many sensitive issues.

I don't know of a single Indian news media that allocates space to a Pakistani columnist.

And what is the percentage population reading the DAWN to the pp reading the Urdu papers spilling vitriol on India.

And more importantly how many people are affected by the opinion that DAWN gives on India ?? Negligible , aint it ?

And how many times your Parliament has been attacked by terrorists from India or how many times has Lahore been held hostage by Terrorists from Pakistan or better still how many organisations call for volunteers to wage 'Dharma Yudh' against Pakistan in national papers ? So there has to be a difference in the approach of Pakistani and Indian media.

 

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Press freedom, and mind you that was not the opinion of NDTV, rather that of an analyst whose 'analysis' NDTV has published.

I would consider 'The Hindu' (dont go by the name, it is anything but it) among the Print media. And none among the Electronic media. Everyone has his own agenda.

For example Dont trust ;

CNN-IBN - regarding Congress
NDTV 24*7- regarding Right wing groups
TIMES NOW (ToI) - regarding Pakistani affairs ( a bit sensationlised always)

You have to watch all these and get a weighted average.

Every News has a agenda or mind set behind it. One has to pick balance from all what is disseminated. Every News Channel is authentic in way if one has better cognitive ability to filter the correct News himself. By saying this Channel is good and that is bad; is a bias and poor judgement.

I am a frequent CCTV English news watcher. Almost every week they are showing some Indian issues with pictures irrelevant to that news; full of poverty glimpse only. Just two week back they showed 4 times a punchline about sever cold in India before showing the main news contents. Ironically the punchline and main news was having scenes not only the people in distress (for 3 seconds only) but people being cremated in Varanasi for rest of the news. There were many important news broadcast that day but non of them was repeated like pictures of upcoming sever cold in India (Poor people being cremated) before every news break.

I have watched many western News like this before, but i would say a Chinese news reader with western dress is more racist than his western counterpart. Not because western media is now more sensitive but person like me can pull them by many means of protest and their own media watch agencies can expose there bias. However with CCTV the expectation could have been to see a more developing nation friendly (Asian) and less imperialistic attitude but they are so unapproachable to be suggested by any viewer; to whom they are thrusting upon their Chinese govt. propaganda.

The difference here is how one is open to criticism and then improvisation.

The attitude of Indian media has been openly critical to China for many reasons. We openly admit that there is a divide in perception but from the times of post independence till now China has always denied it; rather back stabbed abrupt and unpredictably.

CCTV is a Chinese govt. mouth piece therefore it carries the same above mentality. On the other hand DD news has always been a news teller as it is. Furthermore Indian private and govt. media news has being frequently checked by diversity of school of thoughts within them.

Indian media has the decency not to pretend this denial bull$hit that Chinese don't even care about India. They further do not show irrelevant videos of poor China but an honest news which is of India's concern (national security et al). May be exaggerated at times but for te sake of Indians to be alarmed, not mislead or stereotyping China. ''Not so like'' so called newly rich, prosperous and western equivalent Chinese are doing and still pretending they aren't.

 

[below_freezing]

Every News has a agenda or mind set behind it. One has to pick balance from all what is disseminated. Every News Channel is authentic in way if one has better cognitive ability to filter the correct News himself. By saying this Channel is good and that is bad; is a bias and poor judgement.

I am a frequent CCTV English news watcher. Almost every week they are showing some Indian issues with pictures irrelevant to that news; full of poverty glimpse only. Just two week back they showed 4 times a punchline about sever cold in India before showing the main news contents. Ironically the punchline and main news was having scenes not only the people in distress (for 3 seconds only) but people being cremated in Varanasi for rest of the news. There were many important news broadcast that day but non of them was repeated like pictures of upcoming sever cold in India (Poor people being cremated) before every news break.

I have watched many western News like this before, but i would say a Chinese news reader with western dress is more racist than his western counterpart. Not because western media is now more sensitive but person like me can pull them by many means of protest and their own media watch agencies can expose there bias. However with CCTV the expectation could have been to see a more developing nation friendly (Asian) and less imperialistic attitude but they are so unapproachable to be suggested by any viewer; to whom they are thrusting upon their Chinese govt. propaganda.

The difference here is how one is open to criticism and then improvisation.

The attitude of Indian media has been openly critical to China for many reasons. We openly admit that there is a divide in perception but from the times of post independence till now China has always denied it; rather back stabbed abrupt and unpredictably.

CCTV is a Chinese govt. mouth piece therefore it carries the same above mentality. On the other hand DD news has always been a news teller as it is. Furthermore Indian private and govt. media news has being frequently checked by diversity of school of thoughts within them.

Indian media has the decency not to pretend this denial bull$hit that Chinese don't even care about India. They further do not show irrelevant videos of poor China but an honest news which is of India's concern (national security et al). May be exaggerated at times but for te sake of Indians to be alarmed, not mislead or stereotyping China. ''Not so like'' so called newly rich, prosperous and western equivalent Chinese are doing and still pretending they aren't.

Forget watching CCTV. Global Times and China Daily are both more reliable English language news. Even people in China ignore CCTV.

 

[Developereo]

And what is the percentage population reading the DAWN to the pp reading the Urdu papers spilling vitriol on India.

DAWN is a mainstream English language newspaper. It has a wide readership.

And more importantly how many people are affected by the opinion that DAWN gives on India ?? Negligible , aint it ?

The point is that it has the journalistic integrity and fair-mindedness to give space to the enemy viewpoint. Something yet to be displayed by Indian media.

And how many times your Parliament has been attacked by terrorists from India or how many times has Lahore been held hostage by Terrorists from Pakistan or better still how many organisations call for volunteers to wage 'Dharma Yudh' against Pakistan in national papers ? So there has to be a difference in the approach of Pakistani and Indian media.

Irrelevant rant. The whole point is to hear out the other guy.

Indian media is rabidly jingoistic. Today Pakistan is enemy #1; tomorrow it will be China.

 

[Obambam]

I never defended western media,nor did i defend Indian media.

Media all over the world is pure business,except in non democratic countries.

To me I don't give a toss if a country is democratic, republic or communist so long they work and does the job for whatever country it serves.

Communism is doing good for China. In truth it is no longer what the old Communism used to be, it has evolved and over time it has become more of a capitalist.

Democratics or Republicans are the same, good for those countries that took it on and it worked for them. However, no one has the rights to force a country into changing its politics. Just like how China never forces any other country to become communist. People need to know and respect that.

As for the media, you will always only see what they want you to see. Therefore to get a more complete picture, you need to view sources from all over the world.

 

[KS]

DAWN is a mainstream English language newspaper. It has a wide readership.

The point is that it has the journalistic integrity and fair-mindedness to give space to the enemy viewpoint. Something yet to be displayed by Indian media.

What is the use in the so called Journalistic integrity when the Country's population is not influenced by it. ?

Irrelevant rant. The whole point is to hear out the other guy.

Indian media is rabidly jingoistic. Today Pakistan is enemy #1; tomorrow it will be China.

It is not a rant.

These are precise reasons why Indian Media is critical of Pakistan. After 48 hours of live telecasting terrorists killing innocent civilians in Mumbai do you expect the media to sing paeans of Pakistan ?

Oh and which country's name will a Pakistani say when enquired about his number # 1 enemy.

Dont kid me by saying it is not India.

 

[Developereo]

What is the use in the so called Journalistic integrity when the Country's population is not influenced by it. ?

The English-speaking public reads it. They are the decision makers and the ones that matter.

You are just hiding behind excuses since there is no comparable reciprocity in the Indian media.

These are precise reasons why Indian Media is critical of Pakistan. After 48 hours of live telecasting terrorists killing innocent civilians in Mumbai do you expect the media to sing paeans of Pakistan ?

Indian media should be critical of Pakistan; we expect nothing less of it. But it should have the journalistic integrity to let the other side present its point of view. Clearly Indian audiences are not interested in a balanced, informed debate, but a jingoistic chest thumping.

If they had allowed Pakistani journalists airtime during Mumbai, Indian audiences would have seen that most Pakistanis were horrified and sympathetic to their suffering. Instead the media wanted to beat the drums of war.

Oh and which country's name will a Pakistani say when enquired about his number # 1 enemy.

Dont kid me by saying it is not India.

Of course it's India. Which is precisely the point of the foremost English language news outlet giving front page space to someone from enemy #1.

 

[LaBong]

I have to give it to Dawn, which imo best newspaper in South Asia right now. But except Dawn liberal voices in Pakistan are few and far in between. In case of India the liberal and jingos are in equal proportion.

 

[cybertron]

@sohni dharthi
yes you have a channel dawn which might present a fair picture to its people but the problem is its a one of.
In india you might find media sensationalising things but you will never find any hardline fanatic media whether print or electronic ecouraging an act of terrorism, which pakistan has in abundance. Rest of the media in pakistan more than make up for the media's like dawn.

 

[cybertron]

You are just hiding behind excuses since there is no comparable reciprocity in the Indian media.

Actually we dont need a media comparable to dawn. I for one am satisfied with NDTV and CNN-IBN. They are reasonably standard media outlets and the best part is they are the media channels which least concentrate on defence and concentrate on actual social issues at hand.

Indian media should be critical of Pakistan; we expect nothing less of it. But it should have the journalistic integrity to let the other side present its point of view.

dont get me started on jounalistic integrity on the other side.

Clearly Indian audiences are not interested in a balanced, informed debate, but a jingoistic chest thumping.

guess what you are wrong their. I'm fed up of seeing one or the other pakistani former military official on debates everyday in times now.

If they had allowed Pakistani journalists airtime during Mumbai, Indian audiences would have seen that most Pakistanis were horrified and sympathetic to their suffering. Instead the media wanted to beat the drums of war.

TELL me what did you expect after such a terrifying experience lasting fo 64 hrs. 10 pakistanis unleashing terror like hell in india's heartland and a hell of a confession coming from kasab.
And you think pakistanis on media empathizing would have calmed the nerves, far from truth mate.

 

[KS]

The English-speaking public reads it. They are the decision makers and the ones that matter.

You are just hiding behind excuses since there is no comparable reciprocity in the Indian media.

No excuses. And yes I see the opinion of the English speaking/writing Pakistanis on India in this very forum. So please get off that high horse.

Indian media should be critical of Pakistan; we expect nothing less of it. But it should have the journalistic integrity to let the other side present its point of view. Clearly Indian audiences are not interested in a balanced, informed debate, but a jingoistic chest thumping.

What journalistic integrity that you miss in Indian channels. Jst because they are anti-Pakistan (for very obvious reasons) doesnt affect their 'journalistic integrity' and yes there are papers like 'Hindu' which are up there along with the Dawn.

And again you fail to answer my question - after live telecasting of 48 hours of carnage by Pakistani terrorists, what do you expect the media to do ?

If they had allowed Pakistani journalists airtime during Mumbai, Indian audiences would have seen that most Pakistanis were horrified and sympathetic to their suffering. Instead the media wanted to beat the drums of war.

Why the heck should we allow Pakistani media to cover it . I find this ridiculous to say the least. Wont the Pakistani audience not believe what was being telecast in live about 10 terrorists doing what they did.

And yes, we dont want your sympathies, just take action againt those responsible.

Also in what lala land that you live where the media doesnt call the Govt to take action (in your words - war mongering) against thise responsible for such heinous crimes.?

Of course it's India. Which is precisely the point of the foremost English language news outlet giving front page space to someone from enemy #1.

Doesnt matter what coverage they give to Indian opinion - the truth is the Average Pakistani is not swayed by it. Period.

 

[Developereo]

This thread is about China, so I don't want to drag it out, but your guys response makes it amply clear Indians are not interested in informed, balanced coverage. We are talking about international matters, specifically Pakistan-related matters, not domestic issues here. The Hindu or any Indian media doesn't even come close to the level of journalistic integrity that is needed to retain credibility on Pakistan-related matters. I can't believe that an educated, reasonably informed Indian reader would not be curious to hear the Pakistani perspective on a controversial issue. Certainly they can visit Pakistani websites but, the point is, the Indian media does not provide that balance itself.

Your continual harping on one extreme incident, Mumbai, to justify this media blackout is evidence enough. We are not talking about one-off debates, but a habitual exchange of views and perspectives over the years. This media blackout even extends to entertainment. Pakistan allows Indian movies and TV channels; but India is too scard to return the favor, lest Indians see Pakistanis as anything less than evil. As you guys admitted, Indian media is not interested in promoting peace and understanding. All Indian media are interested in is jingoistic hate mongering against Pakistan. Like I said, today it is Pakistan but the signs are all there that the next pubic enemy #1 is China.

You guys can excuse it as commercialism but the media only prints what the audience wants to read.

 

[cybertron]

@sohni dharti
why did you selectively avoid the part where i said that v hear pakistani perspectives from former high level officers and media persons almost evryday on news debates and they r live on those debates. Just this point make ur whole argument spineless. If you want to avoid then go on continue with ur work.

 

[Developereo]

@sohni dharti
why did you selectively avoid the part where i said that v hear pakistani perspectives from former high level officers and media persons almost evryday on news debates and they r live on those debates. Just this point make ur whole argument spineless. If you want to avoid then go on continue with ur work.

TV debates tend to be sensationalist media stunts that generate more heat than light. Most of the time people talk over each other and little information is conveyed. They are there mostly as a verbal boxing match for ratings grab.

I am talking about opinion pieces where the author is allowed to actually complete a sentence or two and present a cogent point of view. Or even just show the human side of the enemy.