Chinese military buildup far exceeds its defensive needs: US

[Vassnti]

Before everyone gets upity and throws the whole article in the bin, read it again and slowly.

We call upon China to become more transparent regarding its military capabilities, expenditures and intentions. We are not asking for an unreasonable degree of disclosure – simply enough to allow all parties to avoid miscalculation," Gregson said.

Yes the US spends way more than China does, yes the US does regard most of the world as "its backyard" and would like to keep it that way.

But, the salient point of the article still stands. China is developing building and planning the military ability to do more than just defend China. It is creating a force that has the ability to project beyond its imediate shore , for example carriers and blue water navy.

The article doesnt say this is good or bad just that this is not the current understood Chinese military doctrine. The disparity between global military capability and a doctrine of home defence creates a misunderstanding that can lead to confusion. When one side thinks A is going to do x but A plans to do z mistakes happen, when both sides of that mistake have multiple nukes thats a problem.

A call for dialoge and closer relations to avoid misunderstanding i thought was a good idea.

If China regards defence not only as defence of the mainland but also defence of strategic resources and locations across the globe (much as the US does ) China need to make sure the US understands this is its policy and its right to do so.

 

[TechLahore]

Oh the US understands it alright, and this understanding is reflected in their global strategic review reports (I read an unclassified official us doc earlier this year... Forget the name but it was a Strategic review... And it presented a fairly good understanding of the interests china seeks to protect)

In a nutshell, if the world can be America's backyard, so can it be Chinas. They have three times the claim!

 

[Martian2]

Before everyone gets upity and throws the whole article in the bin, read it again and slowly.



Yes the US spends way more than China does, yes the US does regard most of the world as "its backyard" and would like to keep it that way.

But, the salient point of the article still stands. China is developing building and planning the military ability to do more than just defend China. It is creating a force that has the ability to project beyond its imediate shore , for example carriers and blue water navy.

The article doesnt say this is good or bad just that this is not the current understood Chinese military doctrine. The disparity between global military capability and a doctrine of home defence creates a misunderstanding that can lead to confusion. When one side thinks A is going to do x but A plans to do z mistakes happen, when both sides of that mistake have multiple nukes thats a problem.

A call for dialoge and closer relations to avoid misunderstanding i thought was a good idea.

If China regards defence not only as defence of the mainland but also defence of strategic resources and locations across the globe (much as the US does ) China need to make sure the US understands this is its policy and its right to do so.

Please spare us the contrived reasoning.

The U.S. is in China's face and until China's military spending matches the United States, Uncle Sam is not going to back off. On a daily basis, the United States is flying a spy plane up and down China's coast. This is a most unfriendly act/gesture (e.g. a middle finger).

U.S. quietly resumes surveillance flights off China - CNN

"U.S. quietly resumes surveillance flights off China
May 15, 2001|From Chris Plante||CNN National Security

U.S. reconnaissance planes have resumed regular flights off the Chinese coast, six weeks after a collision between a U.S. plane and a Chinese jet fighter.
...
The last two flights have followed a route the Pentagon calls the "northern track," along China's northern and central coast. Chinese fighter pilots have been less aggressive in shadowing those U.S. surveillance flights than they have along the southern coast, near Hainan.

Chinese fighter jets were dispatched to monitor at least one of last week's flights, but they kept a distance the Pentagon considered nonconfrontational, according to defense officials who asked to remain anonymous.

China has objected to the flights and urged the U.S. military to stop them. U.S. officials say the flights occur in international airspace and are needed to keep tabs on China's military capabilities.

The U.S. has also stepped up monitoring of Chinese military activities from other sources, including submarines and the surveillance ship USNS Assertive.

The Assertive is capable of eavesdropping on electronic communications from great distances, as are submarines. But ships alone "cannot replicate (the capabilities) of an EP-3," according to one well-placed official.

Also operating in the region is the oceanographic survey ship USNS Bowditch, which maps the contours of the ocean floor. That information can help submarine crews find safe niches where they can submerge and listen to Chinese communications.

(continues)"

 

[My-Analogous]

Before everyone gets upity and throws the whole article in the bin, read it again and slowly.



Yes the US spends way more than China does, yes the US does regard most of the world as "its backyard" and would like to keep it that way.

But, the salient point of the article still stands. China is developing building and planning the military ability to do more than just defend China. It is creating a force that has the ability to project beyond its imediate shore , for example carriers and blue water navy.

The article doesnt say this is good or bad just that this is not the current understood Chinese military doctrine. The disparity between global military capability and a doctrine of home defence creates a misunderstanding that can lead to confusion. When one side thinks A is going to do x but A plans to do z mistakes happen, when both sides of that mistake have multiple nukes thats a problem.

A call for dialoge and closer relations to avoid misunderstanding i thought was a good idea.

If China regards defence not only as defence of the mainland but also defence of strategic resources and locations across the globe (much as the US does ) China need to make sure the US understands this is its policy and its right to do so.

Pointless talk!

Even India have Carriers and Nuke Sub

stop and this

 

[indian_reality]

During cold war, there was no other country other than US itself that could stand up to USSR. So the confrontation was pretty direct. US furthur consolidated its hands with the NATO alliance.

But things are different with china. Though china is trying to position itself as a direct adversary to US, yet India will block that path if china continues with its aggressive designs against India.

US knows this fact and is pretty interested in seeing India does uproot the chinese jaggernaut.In a scenario where china does get into a conflict with India and even if it emerges standing, not much of china will be left to confront even Vietnam or Korea.

 

[Martian2]

During cold war, there was no other country other than US itself that could stand up to USSR. So the confrontation was pretty direct. US furthur consolidated its hands with the NATO alliance.

But things are different with china. Though china is trying to position itself as a direct adversary to US, yet India will block that path if china continues with its aggressive designs against India.

US knows this fact and is pretty interested in seeing India does uproot the chinese jaggernaut.In a scenario where china does get into a conflict with India and even if it emerges standing, not much of china will be left to confront even Vietnam or Korea.

I think you forgot something important. India only possesses firecracker-sized atomic weapons. China is the world's fourth-oldest thermonuclear (i.e. hydrogen bombs) power since 1967.

You might want to pay particular attention to the part about "Extensive Nuclear Missile Deployment Area Discovered in Central China." China has possessed the ability to annihilate India for decades. Please do not go around boasting, especially gratuitously, when you can't back it up. Thank you.

From one of my former posts:

Regarding the issue of whether China has an adequate number of nuclear ICBMs, I don't believe that this problem has been overlooked by the competent government of China.

1) China has the 5,000 KM "Underground Great Wall." You can hide a lot of ICBMs in a 5,000 KM underground facility. See Board Message

2) The 20 silo-based "city-buster" ICBMs (i.e. 1 to 4 megatons) alone can destroy 20 American cities. If you annihilate the top 20 American cities, you are talking about roughly 30 million dead plus nuclear fallout. This is called nuclear deterrence.

3) China has road-mobile and rail-mobile ICBM launchers.

China?s Nuclear Option | The Diplomat

"China’s Nuclear Option
April 26, 2010

By Richard Weitz

Chinese policymakers say the country’s rapidly modernizing nuclear force is nothing to fear. They could do more to prove it."

China's road-mobile ICBMs.

Rail-Mobile ICBMs enter Chinese arsenal

"Rail-Mobile ICBMs enter Chinese arsenal
Kanwa Information Center ^

Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:19:59 PM by Filibuster_60

Kanwa was informed that the development of train-borne DF31 ICBM is already completed, and the deployment of these missiles has also been prepared. The development of DF31A, a upgraded version of DF31, has also already been completed.

In order to further enhance the mobile nuclear striking power and the capability to survive attacks, China has developed new types of DF31 series ICBMs similar to the former Soviet Union train-borne SS-24. In normal days, these missiles are moved along the railroads, while at time of war, they can be transported to selected sites and then launch nuclear assaults upon the enemy. DF31 is manufactured in Sichuan at Sichuan Areospace Industry Corporation. Reliable sources from China military industry say the major difference between DF31 and DF31A lies in their warheads. The former has single warhead, while the latter has multi-warheads."

4) China has Type 094 submarines carrying JL-2 SLBMs.

China's most-powerful Jin-class SSBN nuclear deterrent.

5) Nuclear-capable DH-10 cruise missiles have been added to the Chinese nuclear arsenal.

6) I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. However, for the sake of completeness, I want to point out that "It is likely that a number of PRC cargo ships carry CSS-9 missiles to act as a sea-based nuclear response/strike force."

http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesofthe...sile_detail.asp

"The CSS-9 is an effective strategic system that has significantly increased the PRC’s nuclear strike capabilities. Though the PRC’s land-based systems are unable to directly threaten much beyond the west coast of the United States, the CSS-9 is a modern ICBM system that threatens Russia and India, two major PRC rivals. However, the CSS-9 missile system can easily reach all of the US with the placement aboard cargo ships disguised as shipping containers. The self-contained launch system could easily be placed on a PRC ship and launched against targets in the US. It is likely that a number of PRC cargo ships carry CSS-9 missiles to act as a sea-based nuclear response/strike force. Similarly, these containers could be smuggled into and stored in PRC controlled warehouses throughout the Americas. The modular nature of these modern missile systems makes them extremely dangerous since they do not need to follow tradition missile tactics. Even with modern satellite systems, the combination of hidden road and cross-country mobile launchers, missile silos, and rail/ship launchers make it impossible to destroy most of these missiles prior to launch."

7) China is developing the HN-2000 stealth cruise missile with a terminal supersonic phase. Just like the DH-10 cruise missile, it is reasonable to expect that the HN-2000 will also be nuclear-capable. See http://project2049.net/documents/assassin_...ise_missile.pdf

"Global Strike and the Chinese Anti-Ship Cruise Missile: HN-2000

China is currently developing its next-generation cruise missile, the Hong Niao-2000 (HN-2000). This missile will reportedly be equipped with millimeter wave radar, infrared image mapping, laser radar, synthetic-aperture radar (SAR) and the Chinese Beidou satellite guidance system, for accuracies of 1-3 meters. This missile will also incorporate the latest stealth technologies and have a supersonic terminal flight phase, with an expected range of 4,000km."

8) Have you ever watched the movie "WarGames"? A nuclear war between Russia and the U.S. will cause both nations to launch an all-out attack on all countries of the world. Russia and the U.S. will not foolishly destroy only each other and let China become the de facto superpower.

Similarly, in a nuclear exchange between the U.S. and China, China has plenty of thermonuclear SRBMs and IRBMs (especially the ones located in Tibet). China will "wipe out" most Russian cities. In retaliation, the Russians will take everyone else with them. Just as it was depicted in WarGames, Russian nuclear missiles will radiate to every major city in the world. Everybody dies, except for the lucky few in underground military facilities built to withstand a nuclear war.

In essence, China can "borrow" the Russian nuclear arsenal in the final exchange against the U.S. The Russians are not going to let the U.S. become the de facto superpower survivor.

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/05/extens...ntral-china.php

"Extensive Nuclear Missile Deployment Area Discovered in Central China

More than 50 launch pads for nuclear ballistic missiles have been identified scattered across a 2,000 square kilometer (772 square miles) area of central China, according to analysis of satellite images.

By Hans M. Kristensen

Analysis of new commercial satellite photos has identified an extensive deployment area with nearly 60 launch pads for medium-range nuclear ballistic missiles in Central China near Delingha and Da Qaidam.

The region has long been rumored to house nuclear missiles and I have previously described some of the facilities in a report and a blog. But the new analysis reveals a significantly larger deployment area than previously known, different types of launch pads, command and control facilities, and missile deployment equipment at a large facility in downtown Delingha.

The U.S. government often highlights China’s deployment of new mobile missiles as a concern but keeps the details secret, so the discovery of the deployment area provides the first opportunity for the public to better understand how China operates its mobile ballistic missiles."

http://rupeenews.com/2009/09/07/beijings-m...china-tensions/

"Beijing’s Missile in Tibet, & Hainan Naval base scare Delhi: Dramatic rise in India-China tensions

Posted on September 7, 2009 by Moin Ansari

The Chinese Red dragon’s reach has scared the pants off the Indian elephant. Many have predicted a war between India and China within the next few years. Some called that prediction alarmist. First there were repeated statements from Delhi that China was their biggest enemy and threat. Then news stories that China has built a huge infrastructure on the undefined and undemarcated Mcmohan line (the de factor border between India and China). Now the escalating tensions are sounding alarm bells around the world. The Federation of American Scientist has just published pictures of Chinese missiles which can target all of India. The incompetent intelligence agencies of India didn’t have a clue about the missiles. Any high school drop out could have paid a commercial satellite a nickel and gotten the pictures of the satellites. The fact that the FAS pictures has so unnerved Delhi that it has decided to form to new intelligence agencies is a subject of much discussion around the world..."

 

[gambit]

Please spare us the contrived reasoning.

The U.S. is in China's face and until China's military spending matches the United States, Uncle Sam is not going to back off. On a daily basis, the United States is flying a spy plane up and down China's coast. This is a most unfriendly act/gesture (e.g. a middle finger).

Then China should teach the US a lesson by shooting down one of these aircraft, even if it is in international airspace.

 

[Martian2]

Then China should teach the US a lesson by shooting down one of these aircraft, even if it is in international airspace.

Why are you trolling? Don't you have anything better to do? How does a global thermonuclear war benefit anyone?

Are you really looking forward to Chinese MIRVs raining down on your head?

Has China "crossed the multiple-warhead Rubicon"?

The old projections may have to be revised in the face of new information. Well-known analyst Richard Fisher, Jr. states: "While a worst-case estimate, there is good reason to consider that China's warhead numbers could exceed 500 by 2020."

DF-31As camouflaged

FISHER: China and START - Washington Times

"FISHER: China and START
Missile buildup may surpass U.S., Russia as they denuclearize
By Richard D. Fisher Jr. - The Washington Times 5:56 p.m., Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Might China someday have more nuclear warheads than the United States? Than Russia? Inconceivable as it may sound, this could come to pass, because China may just be starting a period of double- or triple-digit annual growth in its warhead numbers as the Obama administration sets its sights on further U.S. warhead reductions, with little hope that China will join a regime of negotiated nuclear stability. But even if it did, would nuclear "parity" with China be in America's interest?

The new START Treaty signed in May commits the United States and Russia to a "parity" that reduces deployed nuclear warheads from 2,200 to 1,550 and reduces to 700 the number of deployed nuclear delivery vehicles. However, President Obama has made clear his intention to seek further reductions; late 2009 leaks to the press suggested further goals of 1,000 warheads or even fewer.

Since it started deploying intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) in the 1980s, China has refused to join in nuclear weapons negotiations. This did not matter as long as China deployed a small number, about 20 liquid-fueled 13,000-kilometer-range DF-5s with single warheads, until early this decade. Furthermore, China had lulled many analysts by regularly suggesting that it adheres to a doctrine of "minimum deterrence" that abjures U.S.- or Russian-level warhead numbers. But China has also rejected U.S. and Soviet levels of nuclear "transparency" as part of its deterrence calculus, with the result that nobody knows its nuclear force goals.

China began modernizing its nuclear missile forces by mid-decade, replacing early DF-5s with a similar number of improved DF-5A missiles based in stationary silos and deploying the new 7,000-to-8,000-kilometer-range, solid-fueled and mobile DF-31 and the larger 11,200-plus-kilometer-range DF-31A. In its latest report to the Congress on China's military released on Aug. 16, the Pentagon says there are less than 10 DF-31 and "10-15" DF-31A ICBMs, up to five more than reported in the previous year's report, covering 2008. However, in the 2010 issue of "Military Balance," Britain's International Institute of Strategic Studies notes there is one brigade of 12 DF-31s and two brigades or 24 DF-31A ICBMs, indicating a possible increase of one new brigade from 2008 to 2009.

In addition, China may be close to fielding two more long-range nuclear missiles. First is the new 7,200-plus-kilometer-range JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile. Though reported to be experiencing developmental challenges, when completed, 12 each will go on the new Type 094 nuclear ballistic missile submarine, which the Pentagon estimates will number at least five, for a potential total of 60 missiles. Then there is a new yet-unidentified larger ground-mobile ICBM which has been revealed in Chinese Internet-source images since 2007, but which the Pentagon did not publicly acknowledge until its latest China report. The distinguishing feature of the "DF-XX" is its use of a large 16-wheel Russian-style transporter-erector-launcher (TEL), likely derived from Russian-Belarus technology imported in the late 1990s.

But here is where the real danger begins: The Pentagon also notes this new ICBM is "possibly capable of carrying multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicles (MIRV)." Starting in 2002, the Pentagon's China report noted the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) interest in developing multiple warheads, with more explicit language being used in the 2009 and 2010 reports. Might some PLA ICBMs already have multiple warheads? This analyst has been told by Asian military sources that the DF-31A already carries three warheads and that one deployed DF-5B carries five or six warheads. These sources speculate the new "DF-XX" may carry a similar number of warheads.

While it is not possible to confirm these disclosures from open sources, they point to an alarming possibility: China has crossed the multiple-warhead Rubicon and, with the possibility that it can build one brigade of DF-31A and DF-XX ICBMs a year, could be capable of annual double- or triple-digit increases in its deployed nuclear warheads. Chinese sources also suggest interest in developing longer-range versions of the JL-2, which could also be MIRV-capable. While a worst-case estimate, there is good reason to consider that China's warhead numbers could exceed 500 by 2020.

In addition, China may also be on its way to fielding a national missile-defense system by the 2020s. Its recent, successful Jan. 11 missile warhead interception test marks the culmination of China's second anti-ballistic missile (ABM) program; the first was ordered started by Mao Zedong in 1963 and was pursued until 1980. This stands in contrast with years of howling complaints by Chinese diplomats against American missile-defense programs and their fervent campaigning to ban outer-space weapons. Was this merely deception designed to limit American defensive programs while China gathered the capacity to pursue its own ABM and space-warfare programs?

These potential trends would logically cause one to ask: Why not talk to the Chinese about their nuclear strategic plans? Indeed, the administration's April Nuclear Posture Review calls for "strategic assurance dialogues" with China. However, not only has China traditionally rejected any "negotiations" regarding its nuclear forces, it won't even send its main nuclear missile forces commander on a courtesy visit to the United States. Normal military-to-military dialogue is regularly held hostage to Washington ending arms sales to democratic Taiwan.

But there is a deeper basic conflict: China wants to displace U.S. strategic leadership in Asia and is building military forces capable of defending its global interests, even if that means challenging the United States well beyond Asia. So until China achieves its desired level of global power, which may not include concepts of "parity," China may have no interest in "negotiations" that limit or even inform others about its nuclear weapons plans.

But even if the United States and China could agree on nuclear parity, that may come at the cost of America's Asian alliances. A larger and defended Chinese nuclear arsenal could greatly undermine the U.S. ability to extend its nuclear deterrent, accelerating the process of decoupling the United States from key allies like Japan, South Korea and Australia. America's ability to deter China will decline further when the administration implements its Nuclear Posture Review decision to retire U.S. nuclear-armed TLAM-N cruise missiles carried by secure U.S. submarines, replacing them with tactical nuclear bombs carried by more vulnerable U.S. jet fighters. And then one must consider Russia and its increasing political-military cooperation with China. Might Russia someday "tilt" its nuclear forces with China's to dissuade the United States from defending a future vital interest?

Countries like Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and India are today facing increased Chinese military pressures. They and the United States are also increasingly pressed to fund conventional military forces needed to deter China. It is indeed legitimate to ask if the current START Treaty gives the United States the ability to deter both Russia and a China just starting its strategic nuclear buildup. Furthermore, might START and intended follow-on agreements bring Asia closer to an era of nuclear proliferation and unforeseen instability?

Richard D. Fisher Jr. is a senior fellow with the International Assessment and Strategy Center and author of "China's Military Modernization, Building for Regional and Global Reach" (Praeger, 2008)."

 

[Martian2]

I think you forgot something important. India only possesses firecracker-sized atomic weapons. China is the world's fourth-oldest thermonuclear (i.e. hydrogen bombs) power since 1967.

In case someone doesn't know what I'm implying, I will clarify. India has approximately 60 to 80 atomic (i.e. Hiroshima-sized) weapons. Each Hiroshima-sized atomic bomb is roughly equivalent to 20 kilotons of TNT. 80 Indian atomic weapons x 20 kilotons = 1,600 kilotons or 1.6 megatons.

A Chinese "city-buster" thermonuclear weapon is 3 to 5 megatons alone. Therefore, a single Chinese thermonuclear warhead is more powerful than the entire Indian atomic arsenal. And yet, the troll had the gall to gratuitously proclaim that India will destroy China. That is laughable.

China has hundreds or more of thermonuclear weapons. The truth is that China could have vaporized India at any time during the last four decades. Please, no more trolls! Truth hurts, but you're making me say it by refuting your trolling.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I gotta Ask US one Question when it comes to exceeding Defense needs and spending..What was the purpose of over selling $60 billion worth weapons to Wahabis.

 

[cloneman]

Annual military expenditure only counts 2% of Chinas GDP.Its 4.3% in US,2.5% in UK,2.3% in France and 3.5% in Russia.China has less pencentge of military investment than other members of the P5.So the question is not that China spends too much on military,but too less.
source List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[indian_reality]

I think you forgot something important. India only possesses firecracker-sized atomic weapons. China is the world's fourth-oldest thermonuclear (i.e. hydrogen bombs) power since 1967.

You might want to pay particular attention to the part about "Extensive Nuclear Missile Deployment Area Discovered in Central China." China has possessed the ability to annihilate India for decades. Please do not go around boasting, especially gratuitously, when you can't back it up. Thank you.

From one of my former posts:

Regarding the issue of whether China has an adequate number of nuclear ICBMs, I don't believe that this problem has been overlooked by the competent government of China.

1) China has the 5,000 KM "Underground Great Wall." You can hide a lot of ICBMs in a 5,000 KM underground facility. See Board Message

2) The 20 silo-based "city-buster" ICBMs (i.e. 1 to 4 megatons) alone can destroy 20 American cities. If you annihilate the top 20 American cities, you are talking about roughly 30 million dead plus nuclear fallout. This is called nuclear deterrence.

3) China has road-mobile and rail-mobile ICBM launchers.

China?s Nuclear Option | The Diplomat

"China’s Nuclear Option
April 26, 2010

By Richard Weitz

Chinese policymakers say the country’s rapidly modernizing nuclear force is nothing to fear. They could do more to prove it."

China's road-mobile ICBMs.

Rail-Mobile ICBMs enter Chinese arsenal

"Rail-Mobile ICBMs enter Chinese arsenal
Kanwa Information Center ^

Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:19:59 PM by Filibuster_60

Kanwa was informed that the development of train-borne DF31 ICBM is already completed, and the deployment of these missiles has also been prepared. The development of DF31A, a upgraded version of DF31, has also already been completed.

In order to further enhance the mobile nuclear striking power and the capability to survive attacks, China has developed new types of DF31 series ICBMs similar to the former Soviet Union train-borne SS-24. In normal days, these missiles are moved along the railroads, while at time of war, they can be transported to selected sites and then launch nuclear assaults upon the enemy. DF31 is manufactured in Sichuan at Sichuan Areospace Industry Corporation. Reliable sources from China military industry say the major difference between DF31 and DF31A lies in their warheads. The former has single warhead, while the latter has multi-warheads."

4) China has Type 094 submarines carrying JL-2 SLBMs.

China's most-powerful Jin-class SSBN nuclear deterrent.

5) Nuclear-capable DH-10 cruise missiles have been added to the Chinese nuclear arsenal.

6) I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. However, for the sake of completeness, I want to point out that "It is likely that a number of PRC cargo ships carry CSS-9 missiles to act as a sea-based nuclear response/strike force."

http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesofthe...sile_detail.asp

"The CSS-9 is an effective strategic system that has significantly increased the PRC’s nuclear strike capabilities. Though the PRC’s land-based systems are unable to directly threaten much beyond the west coast of the United States, the CSS-9 is a modern ICBM system that threatens Russia and India, two major PRC rivals. However, the CSS-9 missile system can easily reach all of the US with the placement aboard cargo ships disguised as shipping containers. The self-contained launch system could easily be placed on a PRC ship and launched against targets in the US. It is likely that a number of PRC cargo ships carry CSS-9 missiles to act as a sea-based nuclear response/strike force. Similarly, these containers could be smuggled into and stored in PRC controlled warehouses throughout the Americas. The modular nature of these modern missile systems makes them extremely dangerous since they do not need to follow tradition missile tactics. Even with modern satellite systems, the combination of hidden road and cross-country mobile launchers, missile silos, and rail/ship launchers make it impossible to destroy most of these missiles prior to launch."

7) China is developing the HN-2000 stealth cruise missile with a terminal supersonic phase. Just like the DH-10 cruise missile, it is reasonable to expect that the HN-2000 will also be nuclear-capable. See http://project2049.net/documents/assassin_...ise_missile.pdf

"Global Strike and the Chinese Anti-Ship Cruise Missile: HN-2000

China is currently developing its next-generation cruise missile, the Hong Niao-2000 (HN-2000). This missile will reportedly be equipped with millimeter wave radar, infrared image mapping, laser radar, synthetic-aperture radar (SAR) and the Chinese Beidou satellite guidance system, for accuracies of 1-3 meters. This missile will also incorporate the latest stealth technologies and have a supersonic terminal flight phase, with an expected range of 4,000km."

8) Have you ever watched the movie "WarGames"? A nuclear war between Russia and the U.S. will cause both nations to launch an all-out attack on all countries of the world. Russia and the U.S. will not foolishly destroy only each other and let China become the de facto superpower.

Similarly, in a nuclear exchange between the U.S. and China, China has plenty of thermonuclear SRBMs and IRBMs (especially the ones located in Tibet). China will "wipe out" most Russian cities. In retaliation, the Russians will take everyone else with them. Just as it was depicted in WarGames, Russian nuclear missiles will radiate to every major city in the world. Everybody dies, except for the lucky few in underground military facilities built to withstand a nuclear war.

In essence, China can "borrow" the Russian nuclear arsenal in the final exchange against the U.S. The Russians are not going to let the U.S. become the de facto superpower survivor.

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/05/extens...ntral-china.php

"Extensive Nuclear Missile Deployment Area Discovered in Central China

More than 50 launch pads for nuclear ballistic missiles have been identified scattered across a 2,000 square kilometer (772 square miles) area of central China, according to analysis of satellite images.

By Hans M. Kristensen

Analysis of new commercial satellite photos has identified an extensive deployment area with nearly 60 launch pads for medium-range nuclear ballistic missiles in Central China near Delingha and Da Qaidam.

The region has long been rumored to house nuclear missiles and I have previously described some of the facilities in a report and a blog. But the new analysis reveals a significantly larger deployment area than previously known, different types of launch pads, command and control facilities, and missile deployment equipment at a large facility in downtown Delingha.

The U.S. government often highlights China’s deployment of new mobile missiles as a concern but keeps the details secret, so the discovery of the deployment area provides the first opportunity for the public to better understand how China operates its mobile ballistic missiles."

http://rupeenews.com/2009/09/07/beijings-m...china-tensions/

"Beijing’s Missile in Tibet, & Hainan Naval base scare Delhi: Dramatic rise in India-China tensions

Posted on September 7, 2009 by Moin Ansari

The Chinese Red dragon’s reach has scared the pants off the Indian elephant. Many have predicted a war between India and China within the next few years. Some called that prediction alarmist. First there were repeated statements from Delhi that China was their biggest enemy and threat. Then news stories that China has built a huge infrastructure on the undefined and undemarcated Mcmohan line (the de factor border between India and China). Now the escalating tensions are sounding alarm bells around the world. The Federation of American Scientist has just published pictures of Chinese missiles which can target all of India. The incompetent intelligence agencies of India didn’t have a clue about the missiles. Any high school drop out could have paid a commercial satellite a nickel and gotten the pictures of the satellites. The fact that the FAS pictures has so unnerved Delhi that it has decided to form to new intelligence agencies is a subject of much discussion around the world..."

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...............

but then again sorry to disappoint ..but we wont let china off the leash!!!!

 

[Martian2]

"On June 17 1967, China revealed its true military power.

At 00:19, a Chinese H-6 bomber dropped the first Chinese hydrogen bomb. It exploded with a force of 3.3 megatons. It marked the date when China entered the thermonuclear era."

 

[below_freezing]

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...............

but then again sorry to disappoint ..but we wont let china off the leash!!!!

reality: one chinese nuclear weapon has more power than the whole indian nuclear arsenal and can vaporize your prime minister's office instantly. india on the other hand would struggle to even successfully launch a missile before it got shot down by air defense in Tibet and Sichuan.

fantasy: INDIA SUPERPOWER!!! SHINING INDIA!!!

 

[gpit]

Then China should teach the US a lesson by shooting down one of these aircraft, even if it is in international airspace.

In stead, why don’t you gambit talk back to Wallace Gregson, the Assistant Secretary of Defence for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs, that all these A2/AD stuffs are China fanboy’s photoshop work, and that they are mirage and don’t exist in the real world?

We are waiting for your answer. Serioulsy.