Featured Chinese light tanks won't survive in battle with T-90s, say Indian tank commanders

[rent4country]

Indeed, Chinese got embarrassed. Colonel babu slip and fall to death. Nothing to do with Chinese soldiers.

What you will never understand as a Chinese, is that while you feel an open acknowledgment of one's soldiers sacrifices is a win for you. That to the rest of the civilized world, hiding the deaths of your soldiers because you are embarrassed by their deaths is considered a crass and a low-point.

The 'Brave Chinese' went with 7x numbers and ambushed an unarmed small contingent of soldiers, with bats with nails, sharp rods and swords and still need to hide your soldier's deaths.


Bottom line: NOTHING has Changed. You are stuck in Doklum 2.0 quagmire, once again threating India to withdraw and getting nowhere.

 

[rent4country]

If OP cannot defend his erroneous assertions, than he should bow out, or be forced to do so.

We are a serious discussion forum here, and we don't have time for deliberate lies and manipulation of facts.

This drags down the quality of the whole forum.

This forum has 10s of topics based on twitter and youtube fanboys, global times absurd proclamations, rumors so absurd it borderlines conspiracies- but you find an official comment from military commanders as offensive and unworthy of being a thread?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

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China's light tanks won't survive in battle with T-90s, say Indian tank commanders
The Chinese have recently deployed and tested a light tank named T-15 and reports have been emanating in the Chinese media that the light tanks would be more suitable for operations in the tank territory in the valleys between high mountains in that region.


New Delhi: Engaged in a stand-off with the Chinese Army for over five months now, tank commanders of the Indian Army strongly feel that the Chinese light tanks won`t be able to survive in case there is an armoured battle between them and the formidable T-90 Bhismas of the Indian Army in the world`s highest tank battlefields in Eastern Ladakh and the Tibetan plateau.

India has deployed tanks in large numbers to counter the Chinese People`s Liberation Army`s aggressive manoeuvres along the Line of Actual Control where they have brought in their tanks and armoured personnel carriers and transgressed at multiple points there.





"I believe that in case there is a battle involving the tanks during the present situation and they deploy their light tanks, I can assure you that it won`t survive against our T-90s and the T-72s," a tank commander said on the condition of anonymity as he was not officially authorised to talk to the media.

The official was talking about the recent reports which suggested that the Chinese have deployed their light tanks opposite the Indian territory in Eastern Ladakh from the Sub-sector North to the southernmost parts of Ladakh including the Chumar-Demchok area


The Chinese have recently deployed and tested a light tank named T-15 and reports have been emanating in the Chinese media that the light tanks would be more suitable for operations in the tank territory in the valleys between high mountains in that region.

Also read | India deploys long-range missile Nirbhay to tackle Chinese threat

Another tank commander said the Indian T-90 and the T-72 along with the BMP-2 Infantry Combat Vehicles can operate in temperature ranges between 50 degrees to minus 40 degrees and they are deployable in all possible terrains and altitudes in the world.

Asked about the performance of the tank in the high mountainous terrain, the commander said the Russian-origin T-90 tank is very well-suited for operations in extreme cold weather conditions which exist in the country of origin of the tank.

Along the LAC, there are multiple locations where tanks have been deployed from both sides from Depsang plains in the DBO sector, the southern bank of Pangong lake including the Spanggur gap area and the Chumar-Demchok sector in the southern part.

Sources said the Chinese tanks and infantry combat vehicles including the T-99s and the PTZ have been deployed in significant numbers by the Chinese opposite Indian territory and backed by the long-range artillery and surface to air missile defence systems as part of its aggressive posturing against India since April-May timeframe this year.

Chinese light tanks won't survive in battle with T-90s, say Indian tank commanders

Leh, Ladakh (India), Oct 3 (ANI): Engaged in a stand-off with the Chinese Army for over five months now, tank commanders of the Indian Army strongly feel that the Chinese light tanks won't be able to survive in case there is an armoured battle between them and the formidable T-90 Bhismas of the...

www.aninews.in

German panzer divisions will not survive a Battle with our horses.
- Probably a Polish general (August 1939)

 

[JNUite]

And Apache will make sure no PLA armour in Himalayas..

They are waiting for their turn.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

hahahhaha ... this is exactly what a so called professional Joe Shearer said on this forum. When encountered with facts and science, he ran off ... Utter BS these scum are!

@Musings @PAKISTANFOREVER @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

But do you honestly and seriously expect anything else from these creatures?

 

[KurtisBrian]

Second, an incorrect assumption is made in that we have to invoke article 5, to get the support of NATO nations. See the First and second Gulf wars.

off topic but...

Gulf war: the US had UN security council resolution 678. Won't be getting one vs China.
Iraq War: the US had few allied nations....really only big contribution was UK, with 45k troops, and the unhappy Iraqis
Then came
Afghanistan: US allies offered less assistance and troops.
Syria: the US had almost no traditional allies.

 

[rent4country]

off topic but...

Gulf war: the US had UN security council resolution 678. Won't be getting one vs China.
Iraq War: the US had few allied nations....really only big contribution was UK, with 45k troops, and the unhappy Iraqis
Then came
Afghanistan: US allies offered less assistance and troops.
Syria: the US had almost no traditional allies.

UN has ruled that china's claim to S china is illegal.

The rest of your comments , unfortunately, are typical of your past statements. You tend to make absolute statements without any regard for the truth.

NATO supported us in Afghan but you mistake the numbers of support as a reflection of their intended support. We go to war with the majority of American soldiers because we can handle it.

36 nations supported in Gulf war 1, 31 in Gulf war 2.

Syria was not a war for the US as were the Afghan and Iraq wars. With Syria, we had only a limited engagement mandate.

 

[My-Analogous]

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China's light tanks won't survive in battle with T-90s, say Indian tank commanders
The Chinese have recently deployed and tested a light tank named T-15 and reports have been emanating in the Chinese media that the light tanks would be more suitable for operations in the tank territory in the valleys between high mountains in that region.


New Delhi: Engaged in a stand-off with the Chinese Army for over five months now, tank commanders of the Indian Army strongly feel that the Chinese light tanks won`t be able to survive in case there is an armoured battle between them and the formidable T-90 Bhismas of the Indian Army in the world`s highest tank battlefields in Eastern Ladakh and the Tibetan plateau.

India has deployed tanks in large numbers to counter the Chinese People`s Liberation Army`s aggressive manoeuvres along the Line of Actual Control where they have brought in their tanks and armoured personnel carriers and transgressed at multiple points there.





"I believe that in case there is a battle involving the tanks during the present situation and they deploy their light tanks, I can assure you that it won`t survive against our T-90s and the T-72s," a tank commander said on the condition of anonymity as he was not officially authorised to talk to the media.

The official was talking about the recent reports which suggested that the Chinese have deployed their light tanks opposite the Indian territory in Eastern Ladakh from the Sub-sector North to the southernmost parts of Ladakh including the Chumar-Demchok area


The Chinese have recently deployed and tested a light tank named T-15 and reports have been emanating in the Chinese media that the light tanks would be more suitable for operations in the tank territory in the valleys between high mountains in that region.

Also read | India deploys long-range missile Nirbhay to tackle Chinese threat

Another tank commander said the Indian T-90 and the T-72 along with the BMP-2 Infantry Combat Vehicles can operate in temperature ranges between 50 degrees to minus 40 degrees and they are deployable in all possible terrains and altitudes in the world.

Asked about the performance of the tank in the high mountainous terrain, the commander said the Russian-origin T-90 tank is very well-suited for operations in extreme cold weather conditions which exist in the country of origin of the tank.

Along the LAC, there are multiple locations where tanks have been deployed from both sides from Depsang plains in the DBO sector, the southern bank of Pangong lake including the Spanggur gap area and the Chumar-Demchok sector in the southern part.

Sources said the Chinese tanks and infantry combat vehicles including the T-99s and the PTZ have been deployed in significant numbers by the Chinese opposite Indian territory and backed by the long-range artillery and surface to air missile defence systems as part of its aggressive posturing against India since April-May timeframe this year.

Chinese light tanks won't survive in battle with T-90s, say Indian tank commanders

Leh, Ladakh (India), Oct 3 (ANI): Engaged in a stand-off with the Chinese Army for over five months now, tank commanders of the Indian Army strongly feel that the Chinese light tanks won't be able to survive in case there is an armoured battle between them and the formidable T-90 Bhismas of the...

www.aninews.in

Only one problem, how can they bring might T90's on hilly area? where these light is made for?

 

[KurtisBrian]

UN has ruled that china's claim to S china is illegal.

The rest of your comments , unfortunately, are typical of your past statements. You tend to make absolute statements without any regard for the truth.

NATO supported us in Afghan but you mistake the numbers of support as a reflection of their intended support. We go to war with the majority of American soldiers because we can handle it.

36 nations supported in Gulf war 1, 31 in Gulf war 2.

Syria was not a war for the US as were the Afghan and Iraq wars. With Syria, we had only a limited engagement mandate.

"We can handle it"....there you go. You don't need allies. So this is a moot discussion.

Does anyone know what this supposed UN resolution # regarding the SCS is?
I can find the arbitral tribunal info. But not a resolution (a formal expression of UN opinion).
UN library: "The powers of an arbitral tribunal are those that the parties have conferred upon the arbitral tribunal in order that it can fulfil its task."
China gave the arbitral tribunal no power thus it had none.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I personally don't think buying drones is going to bankrupt the Indian Armed Forces, though they won't be able to match the numbers the PLA can put forward considering they'll need drones with extensive protection against EW attacks which they don't have, but China's increased troop presence along the entirety of the LAC itself will push India towards spending A LOT more of its defense budget arming, feeding and housing soldiers versus acquiring actual war fighting capabilities.

This is why India is so desperate to stop China from pushing more troops along the LAC:

You hit the nail in the head here. I believe this is one of the key points many people fail to recognise. A Chinese troop presence along all the border with India will lead to massive cost for India to redeployed its military personnel and equipment along the border with China unlike what they had in the past(which was not very significant since they were more focused on Pakistan). In fact if India is to deploy the same forces on its border with China the way it has deployed its military asset/personnel facing Pakistan then this will be a massive burden for the country, probably costing billions of dollars a year just to maintain them battle ready. Imagine a situation where they have to set up and maintain troops the size of several Siachens (Siachen alone costs them over $300million dollars to maintain each year). This will deviate resources needed for the country's development and reducing military budget necessary for the Navy, air force and other arms of the country's security forces. This will be a massive and most of all PERMANENT additional military expenditure which could have been avoided. Moreover, this is the worse time this can happen to them as well, due to the coronavirus epidemic the country is currently struggling with and which has hit the country's economy hard. So i believe this should be reason enough to bring both sides on the negotiating table and allow cool heads to prevail instead of allowing emotions/nationalism have the best of them. Rationality should always prevail.

 

[GamoAccu]

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They are waiting for their turn.

Let's hope India won't shoot down its OWN helicopter

Mi-17 V5 chopper: 5 IAF officers held guilty of shooting down own chopper

The IAF court found a Group Captain, two Wing Commanders and two Flight Lieutenants guilty of negligence and not following correct procedure while shooting down the helicopter, a source said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Beast]

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They are waiting for their turn.

How many apache u have?

 

[Beast]

What you will never understand as a Chinese, is that while you feel an open acknowledgment of one's soldiers sacrifices is a win for you. That to the rest of the civilized world, hiding the deaths of your soldiers because you are embarrassed by their deaths is considered a crass and a low-point.

The 'Brave Chinese' went with 7x numbers and ambushed an unarmed small contingent of soldiers, with bats with nails, sharp rods and swords and still need to hide your soldier's deaths.


Bottom line: NOTHING has Changed. You are stuck in Doklum 2.0 quagmire, once again threating India to withdraw and getting nowhere.

Lol.. little Indian ashamed to fly the India flag and hide behind the american skirt.

That is not the point, u brag Chinese as paper tiger that can't killed anything so I will interpret that colonel Babu was not killed by Chinese. See the contradiction of your analogy.

Those crying for colonel Babu must have been fool by u and Modi.

Stop diverting topic with honour or no honour about dead. Is China a paper tiger? If yes then how did Colonel Babu died? Slip and fall? Or eat posion ration by India government?.Care to answer me? If he is killed by Chinese soldiers. Obviously ,Chinese are tiger that can crack your butt into pieces. Understand!

 

[Mrc]

Bmp 2 and t 72 are death traps

T 90 is formidable though

 

[rent4country]

Lol.. little Indian ashamed to fly the India flag and hide behind the american skirt.

That is not the point, u brag Chinese as paper tiger that can't killed anything so I will interpret that colonel Babu was not killed by Chinese. See the contradiction of your analogy.

Those crying for colonel Babu must have been fool by u and Modi.

Stop diverting topic with honour or no honour about dead. Is China a paper tiger? If yes then how did Colonel Babu died? Slip and fall? Or eat posion ration by India government?.Care to answer me? If he is killed by Chinese soldiers. Obviously ,Chinese are tiger that can crack your butt into pieces. Understand!

What you will never understand as a Chinese, is that while you feel an open acknowledgment of one's soldiers sacrifices is a win for you. To the rest of the civilized world, hiding the deaths of your soldiers because you are embarrassed by their deaths is considered a crass and a low-point for China

The 'Brave Chinese' went with 7x numbers and ambushed an unarmed small contingent of soldiers, with bats with nails, sharp rods, and swords and still needed to hide your soldier's deaths.

Bottom line: NOTHING has Changed. You are stuck in Doklum 2.0 quagmire, once again threatening India to withdraw and getting nowhere. AND still hiding your soldier's deaths.