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isnt world full of surprise?
1. How the Boris won UK election?
2. how Imran become PM ?
3. How Trump become PM ?
4. How Modi become PM ?
Chinese intrusion in Galwan lasted for two weeks before it was cleared by Indian troops
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2. how Imran become PM ?
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4. How Modi become PM ?
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That's perfectly fine (too). However, I suggest you take a deep look at your (News) Media prior to passing judgment.Let me try to change this up a little and see if it fits members with a certain flag:
When the Channel reports negative news relating to India its credible, but if something positive is reported - its BS. Any guesses?
Most of 'em are hacks. Channels like Republic, NewsX & Zee News are an abomination.
I'm not a huge fan of India Today, unless it has Rajdeep Sardesai covering the story or a professional platform like NDTV that knows how to hold a debate/discussion with integrity - even if its anti-Pakistan.
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New Delhi: Indian military officials says they have observed a “thinning” in the density of Chinese soldiers at some of the stand-off points along the Line of Actual Control since Monday but add that there is no clear sign of Beijing signalling any retraction from its positions in eastern Ladakh.
On Saturday, Indian and Chinese military held talks at the highest level since the armies of the two countries began their month-long stand-off at three points. After the talks, India had said that engagement at various levels will be continued “to resolve” the matter – which indicated that there was no substantial breakthrough.
A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson on Monday echoed the same readout, stating that the “two sides are ready to engage in consultation to properly solve the relevant issues”.
Indian military sources said on Tuesday that there had since been some change in the ground situation, but were not ready to describe these developments as permanent or even the start of a disengagement process. “We have seen some thinning of Chinese troops at some points in Galwan and Hot Springs since yesterday,” military sources told The Wire.
While the density of troops may have come down, the Chinese continue to be present in those areas where they had poured in soldiers sometime in late April-early May.
‘China changing LAC on the ground’
Expressing skepticism about the supposed “thinning” of Chinese deployments, military analysts say the stand-off can only be resolved if the Chinese remove both troops and infrastructure from the territory that they have intruded into beyond the LAC.
“What is important is not any thinning of troops. It is that the PLA has changed facts on the ground by building concrete defences,” said editor of Force magazine, Pravin Sawhney. “Will they dismantle them? The answer is No. So the LAC has changed – unless India has the gumption to dismantle [these Chinese] defences.”
Also Read: In Talks, China Takes Hard Line, Claims All of Galwan Valley, Chunk of Pangong Tso
Sawhney, who is co-author of the book, Dragon On Our Doorstep: Managing China Through Military Power, said the Chinese side may “simply be giving leeway to Modi” to provide the perception that he had successfully resolved the standoff. “What price India will pay for this, we don’t know yet,” he added.
If there is indeed a “thinning” of the troop presence, this may be of little consequence if the original deployment was large. Last week, in fact, India’s defence minister used the Hindi phrase “bhaari sankhya” – heavy numbers – in reference to the Chinese soldiers, who some military sources had claimed were in the low thousands.
A senior military source told The Wire on Tuesday that it would be too early to make an assessment that the Chinese were packing up, especially since the number of ground forces have not been static during the past one month. “There have been previous instances, for example in Galwan where the Chinese had retracted for a bit, and then come back again,” the official said.
According to Indian military sources, a key issue for India in the current stand-off has been the “vacation” of Chinese troops from the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control in Pangong Tso.
They said that while there has been no change at Pangong Tso lake, which is India’s main concern, a confrontation had taken place along its northern bank.
India’s claim line passes at Finger 8, one of the spurs jutting out onto the north bank of the lake, while China perceives the LAC to be based at Finger 2.
Also Read: Why It Is Imperative That Indians Come to Know What Happened in 1962
Indian patrols had gone up to Finger 6, but had a physical presence in recent times only till Finger 4. This time, the Chinese came up to Finger 4, where their encounter with an Indian patrol team deteriorated into violence on May 9.
The military’s off-the-record characterisation of the Chinese ingress is at odds with what the government is prepared to say. When Rajnath Singh’s statement in a TV interview about a large number of Chinese having “come in” was reported by the media as an admission of Chinese troops having crossed the LAC, the government decried this as “fake news”: “The minister was referring to differing perceptions of LAC & presence of Chinese troops It is being misinterpreted as if Chinese troops entered Indian side of LAC,” the Press and Information Bureau tweeted on June 2.
The talks held on Saturday had been at the highest-level border meeting ever, with the Indian side led by Lt General Harinder Singh, general officer commanding of Leh-based 14 Corps, and Major General Liu Lin of South Xinjiang military district.
India’s position at the talks had been to seek a roll back to the status quo before the talks began.
Military officials here speculate that the ‘thinning’ of Chinese troops which the Indian side claims to have observed, could be more of a negotiation tactic to show the Indian side that they are willing to be flexible. However, since the Chinese side had also been made demands – specifically about Indian border infrastructure, it is not clear whether New Delhi has taken any other steps, besides removing some of its own troops in a mirror move.
During previous rounds of talks, China has repeatedly raised objections on the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie road (DSDBO), whose construction began in 2001 and was finally completed last year.
https://thewire.in/security/india-s...d-off-points-but-no-respite-in-chinese-claims
On Saturday, Indian and Chinese military held talks at the highest level since the armies of the two countries began their month-long stand-off at three points. After the talks, India had said that engagement at various levels will be continued “to resolve” the matter – which indicated that there was no substantial breakthrough.
A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson on Monday echoed the same readout, stating that the “two sides are ready to engage in consultation to properly solve the relevant issues”.
Indian military sources said on Tuesday that there had since been some change in the ground situation, but were not ready to describe these developments as permanent or even the start of a disengagement process. “We have seen some thinning of Chinese troops at some points in Galwan and Hot Springs since yesterday,” military sources told The Wire.
While the density of troops may have come down, the Chinese continue to be present in those areas where they had poured in soldiers sometime in late April-early May.
‘China changing LAC on the ground’
Expressing skepticism about the supposed “thinning” of Chinese deployments, military analysts say the stand-off can only be resolved if the Chinese remove both troops and infrastructure from the territory that they have intruded into beyond the LAC.
“What is important is not any thinning of troops. It is that the PLA has changed facts on the ground by building concrete defences,” said editor of Force magazine, Pravin Sawhney. “Will they dismantle them? The answer is No. So the LAC has changed – unless India has the gumption to dismantle [these Chinese] defences.”
Also Read: In Talks, China Takes Hard Line, Claims All of Galwan Valley, Chunk of Pangong Tso
Sawhney, who is co-author of the book, Dragon On Our Doorstep: Managing China Through Military Power, said the Chinese side may “simply be giving leeway to Modi” to provide the perception that he had successfully resolved the standoff. “What price India will pay for this, we don’t know yet,” he added.
If there is indeed a “thinning” of the troop presence, this may be of little consequence if the original deployment was large. Last week, in fact, India’s defence minister used the Hindi phrase “bhaari sankhya” – heavy numbers – in reference to the Chinese soldiers, who some military sources had claimed were in the low thousands.
A senior military source told The Wire on Tuesday that it would be too early to make an assessment that the Chinese were packing up, especially since the number of ground forces have not been static during the past one month. “There have been previous instances, for example in Galwan where the Chinese had retracted for a bit, and then come back again,” the official said.
According to Indian military sources, a key issue for India in the current stand-off has been the “vacation” of Chinese troops from the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control in Pangong Tso.
They said that while there has been no change at Pangong Tso lake, which is India’s main concern, a confrontation had taken place along its northern bank.
India’s claim line passes at Finger 8, one of the spurs jutting out onto the north bank of the lake, while China perceives the LAC to be based at Finger 2.
Also Read: Why It Is Imperative That Indians Come to Know What Happened in 1962
Indian patrols had gone up to Finger 6, but had a physical presence in recent times only till Finger 4. This time, the Chinese came up to Finger 4, where their encounter with an Indian patrol team deteriorated into violence on May 9.
The military’s off-the-record characterisation of the Chinese ingress is at odds with what the government is prepared to say. When Rajnath Singh’s statement in a TV interview about a large number of Chinese having “come in” was reported by the media as an admission of Chinese troops having crossed the LAC, the government decried this as “fake news”: “The minister was referring to differing perceptions of LAC & presence of Chinese troops It is being misinterpreted as if Chinese troops entered Indian side of LAC,” the Press and Information Bureau tweeted on June 2.
The talks held on Saturday had been at the highest-level border meeting ever, with the Indian side led by Lt General Harinder Singh, general officer commanding of Leh-based 14 Corps, and Major General Liu Lin of South Xinjiang military district.
India’s position at the talks had been to seek a roll back to the status quo before the talks began.
Military officials here speculate that the ‘thinning’ of Chinese troops which the Indian side claims to have observed, could be more of a negotiation tactic to show the Indian side that they are willing to be flexible. However, since the Chinese side had also been made demands – specifically about Indian border infrastructure, it is not clear whether New Delhi has taken any other steps, besides removing some of its own troops in a mirror move.
During previous rounds of talks, China has repeatedly raised objections on the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie road (DSDBO), whose construction began in 2001 and was finally completed last year.
https://thewire.in/security/india-s...d-off-points-but-no-respite-in-chinese-claims
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That's why they are doing a doklam on India now.... So what are you gonna do?
Im just joking around, bro. But at this point nobody can be certain about anything. Both pakistanis and indians are posting news which support their own agendes, but nobody knows whats going on.
Too soon to conclude anything. But if china seriously is looking for trouble, the indians will have a though task. China is the stronger side no doubt, they have the equipment and they have the terrain and infrastructure on their side. Only advantage india has is that the chinese military is entirely made up of spoiled, single child solidiars. If that counts for anything.
I know bro, indian media sucks. But still my point is valid, most of the members here discredit or approve news based on if the content supports their view. Indians and pakistanis are very similar in that regard. My post was only meant to highlite that.
Can i ask you serious question though? No trolling, but i am genuinely curious about how you (or pakistanis in general i guess) know which indian media is good or which is bad? Im guessing they dont show indians news channels in Pakistan? So where and why do you watch it? I dont think ive ever seen a pakistani news channel, and the only indian ones ive seen is when visiting family in india.
Just curious
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What happened to Chinese Para Troopers sent to Tibbet? Are they ran away back?
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Indian Army gains psychological edge as Chinese troops withdraw from eastern Ladakh
Written By: Zee Media Bureau | Edited By: Arun Kumar Chaubey | Updated: Jun 10, 2020, 01:35 AM IST
The symbolic disengagement of Indian and Chinese armies from few areas in eastern Ladakh has shown their intent to resolve the border standoff peacefully ahead of another round of military talks on Wednesday. The gesture explains that the dialogue between the two countries was successful and China too understood that bullying tactics will not work against India. China recently released propaganda videos to show its military preparations and the strategy perhaps was to build a psychological pressure on India but disengagement of its troops in eastern Ladakh today simply showed the hollowness of the Chinese Army in front of India’s global diplomatic might. Chinese troops had advanced on four positions on the Line of Actual Control; three in the Galvan Valley and one in Pangong Lake, where the troops of both the nation were face to face. Now, from three places in the Galvan Valley, Chinese troops have gone back nearly two and a half kilometers. The Chinese troops had earlier reached Finger 4 of Pangong Lake in Ladakh and confronted the Indian soldiers. Indian and Chinese troops have been engaged since May 5 following a violent clash in Pangong Tso. Even as the disengagement of Chinese troops is being considered a moral victory of India, some people in the country tried to undermine the spirit of nation just to nourish their political career. China’s psychological warfare, however, has now failed in front of India. Chinese Army fought a war 41 years ago in 1979, and had suffered defeat at the hands of Vietnam. Currently, there is hardly any officer in the Chinese army who would have the experience of the war. On the contrary, Indian Army had defeated Pakistan badly in Kargil war nearly 21 years ago. The Indian Army also has the experience of penetrating into the enemy’s territory. The examples can be seen in the surgical strikes and air strikes against Pakistan. Notably, India-China border dispute covers the 3,488-km-long LAC. China claims Arunachal Pradesh as part of southern Tibet while India opposes it.
https://zeenews.india.com/india/ind...ops-withdraw-from-eastern-ladakh-2289043.html
Written By: Zee Media Bureau | Edited By: Arun Kumar Chaubey | Updated: Jun 10, 2020, 01:35 AM IST
The symbolic disengagement of Indian and Chinese armies from few areas in eastern Ladakh has shown their intent to resolve the border standoff peacefully ahead of another round of military talks on Wednesday. The gesture explains that the dialogue between the two countries was successful and China too understood that bullying tactics will not work against India. China recently released propaganda videos to show its military preparations and the strategy perhaps was to build a psychological pressure on India but disengagement of its troops in eastern Ladakh today simply showed the hollowness of the Chinese Army in front of India’s global diplomatic might. Chinese troops had advanced on four positions on the Line of Actual Control; three in the Galvan Valley and one in Pangong Lake, where the troops of both the nation were face to face. Now, from three places in the Galvan Valley, Chinese troops have gone back nearly two and a half kilometers. The Chinese troops had earlier reached Finger 4 of Pangong Lake in Ladakh and confronted the Indian soldiers. Indian and Chinese troops have been engaged since May 5 following a violent clash in Pangong Tso. Even as the disengagement of Chinese troops is being considered a moral victory of India, some people in the country tried to undermine the spirit of nation just to nourish their political career. China’s psychological warfare, however, has now failed in front of India. Chinese Army fought a war 41 years ago in 1979, and had suffered defeat at the hands of Vietnam. Currently, there is hardly any officer in the Chinese army who would have the experience of the war. On the contrary, Indian Army had defeated Pakistan badly in Kargil war nearly 21 years ago. The Indian Army also has the experience of penetrating into the enemy’s territory. The examples can be seen in the surgical strikes and air strikes against Pakistan. Notably, India-China border dispute covers the 3,488-km-long LAC. China claims Arunachal Pradesh as part of southern Tibet while India opposes it.
https://zeenews.india.com/india/ind...ops-withdraw-from-eastern-ladakh-2289043.html
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Sometimes Indian media loses its objectivity when reporting on a subject. The amount of hyperbole in this article is beyond reprehensible.
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And the invective.
A perfectly reasonable stand vitiated by the seething contempt and condescension built into it.
What is your point?
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If they ran back your Gov wouldn't be shivering and begging jow right? Lolol
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Global times was reporting that 40k para troopers are marching towards LAC. Is this Global Times a credible source? If yes then where these super strong Paratroopers are gone? You need to file missing complaint for them. It's the right way.
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indian josh is so high that north command reached to shangai west command reached reached baghdad . already indian army turned to be army of Alexander
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