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Multiple times on PDF, whenever anyone mentions or makes a thread about the ongoing atrocities of China in the Xinjiang region, it is filled with Chinese members of PDF and naive or outright brain cell lacking Pakistani members crying "Western Propaganda Against China!", "this is a tactic to destabilize our growing relationships!" "China can do no wrong!" (this one especially from our Chinese members).
I mean, okay...I can agree that this might be a tactic to destabilize relations of China with Pakistan or/& the rest of the world but really?? Ya all think that just cuz China's prospering economically and somewhat militarily that they don't need to persecute their minorities? Especially Muslims ones?
So what does China have to fear from it's Muslim minority? Well, history proves that the same thing India does with the Kashmiris....and that is "succession".
If the Muslim minorities get stable ground, they might ask for their own rights (much better than the ones provided by China) and might even bear arms and rebel (as they have done so in the past & some even continue to do so).
The below paragraph(s) are from a article, everything above is the poster's own thoughts and words.
The Roots of Uyghur Repression
Some have said that the repression and imprisonment of Uyghurs, and the physical and psychological torture imposed upon them, resemble the Chinese government’s crackdown on the members of the Falun Gong spiritual sect in the late 1990s. Initially, the government tolerated the emergence of this group. Yet as their numbers rose exponentially (to nearly seventy million), China saw them as a real threat to state ideology.
China has classified Falun Gong members in the same category as both Tibetan and Uyghur “separatists” — threats to the Communist Party. In all three cases, repression has taken the form of imprisonment, surveillance, and “re-education.”
Yet of all these groups, the Uyghurs stand out as targets of both Islamophobia and racism. Unlike another large group of Muslims in China, the Hui people, Uyghurs are not ethnically or culturally Chinese, but rather Turkish — this makes them specifically open to persecution on the basis not only of religion but also of race. Their culture and language (an Asian Turkic language similar to Uzbek) have been degraded, and they occupy the lowest rungs of the social and economic hierarchies.
The Uyghur have chafed under these conditions for decades and began carrying out militant actions in the late 1990s. Such groups as the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement (later the Turkestan Islamic Party) drew international attention both because of their aspirations to join Al Qaeda and attacks perpetrated around the Beijing Olympics. But the most prevalent instances of violence have been sporadic, autonomous, and of short duration.
It is thus a combination of economics, culture, religion, resources, and strategic location that drive the current repression of the Uyghur; the economic interests of Middle East countries prevent them from raising this issue with China.
In August 2018, Gay McDougall, a member of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, estimates that two million Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into “political camps for indoctrination” in the western Xinjiang autonomous region.
She said, “We are deeply concerned at the many numerous and credible reports that we have received that in the name of combating religious extremism and maintaining social stability (China) has changed the Uighur autonomous region into something that resembles a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy, a sort of ‘no rights zone.’”
The deprivation of rights is of course seen as necessary in order for China to succeed in its ambition to forcibly strip the Uyghur of their Muslim identity and subjugate them to Han dominance. Any presence of Islam is seen as the presence of terrorism and separatism.
The Chinese government has said that these are simply “vocational training centers” meant to eliminate “the soil for the survival of terrorism,” according to Shohrat Zakir, chairman of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. A speech delivered by Chinese Communist Youth League Xinjiang Branch, March 2017 stated: “The training has only one purpose: to learn laws and regulations … to eradicate from the mind thoughts about religious extremism and violent terrorism, and to cure ideological diseases. If the education is not going well, we will continue to provide free education, until the students achieve satisfactory results and graduate smoothly.”
Of course, a major part of “re-education” involves the censoring and imprisonment of Uyghur intellectuals. Their alleged crimes are the standard ones — they are accused of preaching “separatism” and called “two-faced.” “Two-faced” is a term applied by the government to Uyghur cadres who pay lip service to Communist Party rule in the XUAR but secretly chafe against state policies repressing members of their ethnic group.
Dolkun Isa, president of the exiled World Uighur Congress, has claimed that two million people are detained in “concentration camps” in Xinjiang. The Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) estimates that some 435 intellectuals (mostly students, but also teachers and researchers) have been imprisoned or disappeared. According to the Xinjiang Victims Database, forty-nine individuals have died in custody or shortly after their release, among them religious scholars Muhammad Salih Hajim and Abdulehed Mehsum; scholars Abdusattar Qarahajim and Erkinjan Abdukerim; and students Abdusalam Mamat, Yasinjan, and Mutellip Nurmehmet.
In response, an international petition has been started by a group called Concerned Scholars on China’s Mass Detention of Turkic Minorities. This group includes signatories such as Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler, Saskia Sassen, Hatem Bazian, Laleh Khalili, and hundreds more (including me). The letter does as good a job as any document laying out the broader implications of what China is doing in Xinjiang:
China has defended its mass incarceration of Turkic Muslims on the basis of counter-terrorism. However, it is also apparent that China is both seeking to embed its Xinjiang-focused policies in counter-terrorism cooperation with international partners and to export the methods and technologies that have underpinned its “surveillance state” in Xinjiang. If what is happening today in the XUAR is not addressed by the international community, there is a likelihood that we could see its replication in other authoritarian states who have used the label of “terrorist” to describe those who peacefully resist state hegemony.
Article Source: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/china-uyghur-persecution-concentration-camps
Other Sources (to prove that the internment camps and persecution exists):
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/28/a-summer-vacation-in-chinas-muslim-gulag/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ng-concentration-camps-uighur-muslim-minority
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-life-like-in-xinjiang-reeducation-camps-china-2018-5
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/training-camps-09112017154343.html
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/camps-05092018154928.html
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2018/...merge-about-xinjiang-reeducation-camp-system/
https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/central-asians-organize-to-draw-attention-to-xinjiang-camps/
https://www.cwis.org/2018/01/156-fo...ocide-since-1945-the-indigenous-uyghurs-case/
My own words:
Now, other than a few Muslims working around the world to wake up to another Burma/Myanmar like situation, Turkey has also taken steps to call out China's persecution of it's Muslim minorities, majority, if not all, of which are Turkic. Heck, even the famous Noam Chomsky has spoken out against it! (read the article again if you didn't catch it).
Now is Mr. Chomsky also a paid CIA agent like me? (I can already see this one coming up from one, some or most of you
).
I had the pleasure to sit 10 meters away from Noam Chomsky in my freshman year at University and heard me talk about the geo-politics of the world and in that speech, he easily spoke against the US and it's expansionist policies. As you all know, he's very outspoken (like me
), so he can't be a paid agent.....don't know about me though, I'm getting paid $ 1,000 just to post this on PDF. 
jk...
Also, you can see the ferver & zeal of our Turkish brothers & sisters on PDF against the typical propaganda of our Chinese members to paint China in a good light.
I am now joining this "jihad" too.
Let the Great PDF Jihad of 2019 begin!
@OsmanAli98 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @DeadSparrow @maximuswarrior @Dubious @waz @Oscar @MastanKhan @Slav Defence @Horus @Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @Hakikat ve Hikmet @dexter @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Zarvan
I mean, okay...I can agree that this might be a tactic to destabilize relations of China with Pakistan or/& the rest of the world but really?? Ya all think that just cuz China's prospering economically and somewhat militarily that they don't need to persecute their minorities? Especially Muslims ones?
So what does China have to fear from it's Muslim minority? Well, history proves that the same thing India does with the Kashmiris....and that is "succession".
If the Muslim minorities get stable ground, they might ask for their own rights (much better than the ones provided by China) and might even bear arms and rebel (as they have done so in the past & some even continue to do so).
The below paragraph(s) are from a article, everything above is the poster's own thoughts and words.
The Roots of Uyghur Repression
Some have said that the repression and imprisonment of Uyghurs, and the physical and psychological torture imposed upon them, resemble the Chinese government’s crackdown on the members of the Falun Gong spiritual sect in the late 1990s. Initially, the government tolerated the emergence of this group. Yet as their numbers rose exponentially (to nearly seventy million), China saw them as a real threat to state ideology.
China has classified Falun Gong members in the same category as both Tibetan and Uyghur “separatists” — threats to the Communist Party. In all three cases, repression has taken the form of imprisonment, surveillance, and “re-education.”
Yet of all these groups, the Uyghurs stand out as targets of both Islamophobia and racism. Unlike another large group of Muslims in China, the Hui people, Uyghurs are not ethnically or culturally Chinese, but rather Turkish — this makes them specifically open to persecution on the basis not only of religion but also of race. Their culture and language (an Asian Turkic language similar to Uzbek) have been degraded, and they occupy the lowest rungs of the social and economic hierarchies.
The Uyghur have chafed under these conditions for decades and began carrying out militant actions in the late 1990s. Such groups as the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement (later the Turkestan Islamic Party) drew international attention both because of their aspirations to join Al Qaeda and attacks perpetrated around the Beijing Olympics. But the most prevalent instances of violence have been sporadic, autonomous, and of short duration.
It is thus a combination of economics, culture, religion, resources, and strategic location that drive the current repression of the Uyghur; the economic interests of Middle East countries prevent them from raising this issue with China.
In August 2018, Gay McDougall, a member of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, estimates that two million Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into “political camps for indoctrination” in the western Xinjiang autonomous region.
She said, “We are deeply concerned at the many numerous and credible reports that we have received that in the name of combating religious extremism and maintaining social stability (China) has changed the Uighur autonomous region into something that resembles a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy, a sort of ‘no rights zone.’”
The deprivation of rights is of course seen as necessary in order for China to succeed in its ambition to forcibly strip the Uyghur of their Muslim identity and subjugate them to Han dominance. Any presence of Islam is seen as the presence of terrorism and separatism.
The Chinese government has said that these are simply “vocational training centers” meant to eliminate “the soil for the survival of terrorism,” according to Shohrat Zakir, chairman of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. A speech delivered by Chinese Communist Youth League Xinjiang Branch, March 2017 stated: “The training has only one purpose: to learn laws and regulations … to eradicate from the mind thoughts about religious extremism and violent terrorism, and to cure ideological diseases. If the education is not going well, we will continue to provide free education, until the students achieve satisfactory results and graduate smoothly.”
Of course, a major part of “re-education” involves the censoring and imprisonment of Uyghur intellectuals. Their alleged crimes are the standard ones — they are accused of preaching “separatism” and called “two-faced.” “Two-faced” is a term applied by the government to Uyghur cadres who pay lip service to Communist Party rule in the XUAR but secretly chafe against state policies repressing members of their ethnic group.
Dolkun Isa, president of the exiled World Uighur Congress, has claimed that two million people are detained in “concentration camps” in Xinjiang. The Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) estimates that some 435 intellectuals (mostly students, but also teachers and researchers) have been imprisoned or disappeared. According to the Xinjiang Victims Database, forty-nine individuals have died in custody or shortly after their release, among them religious scholars Muhammad Salih Hajim and Abdulehed Mehsum; scholars Abdusattar Qarahajim and Erkinjan Abdukerim; and students Abdusalam Mamat, Yasinjan, and Mutellip Nurmehmet.
In response, an international petition has been started by a group called Concerned Scholars on China’s Mass Detention of Turkic Minorities. This group includes signatories such as Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler, Saskia Sassen, Hatem Bazian, Laleh Khalili, and hundreds more (including me). The letter does as good a job as any document laying out the broader implications of what China is doing in Xinjiang:
China has defended its mass incarceration of Turkic Muslims on the basis of counter-terrorism. However, it is also apparent that China is both seeking to embed its Xinjiang-focused policies in counter-terrorism cooperation with international partners and to export the methods and technologies that have underpinned its “surveillance state” in Xinjiang. If what is happening today in the XUAR is not addressed by the international community, there is a likelihood that we could see its replication in other authoritarian states who have used the label of “terrorist” to describe those who peacefully resist state hegemony.
Article Source: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/china-uyghur-persecution-concentration-camps
Other Sources (to prove that the internment camps and persecution exists):
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/28/a-summer-vacation-in-chinas-muslim-gulag/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ng-concentration-camps-uighur-muslim-minority
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-life-like-in-xinjiang-reeducation-camps-china-2018-5
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/training-camps-09112017154343.html
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/camps-05092018154928.html
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2018/...merge-about-xinjiang-reeducation-camp-system/
https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/central-asians-organize-to-draw-attention-to-xinjiang-camps/
https://www.cwis.org/2018/01/156-fo...ocide-since-1945-the-indigenous-uyghurs-case/
My own words:
Now, other than a few Muslims working around the world to wake up to another Burma/Myanmar like situation, Turkey has also taken steps to call out China's persecution of it's Muslim minorities, majority, if not all, of which are Turkic. Heck, even the famous Noam Chomsky has spoken out against it! (read the article again if you didn't catch it).
Now is Mr. Chomsky also a paid CIA agent like me? (I can already see this one coming up from one, some or most of you
).I had the pleasure to sit 10 meters away from Noam Chomsky in my freshman year at University and heard me talk about the geo-politics of the world and in that speech, he easily spoke against the US and it's expansionist policies. As you all know, he's very outspoken (like me
), so he can't be a paid agent.....don't know about me though, I'm getting paid $ 1,000 just to post this on PDF. jk...Also, you can see the ferver & zeal of our Turkish brothers & sisters on PDF against the typical propaganda of our Chinese members to paint China in a good light.
I am now joining this "jihad" too.
Let the Great PDF Jihad of 2019 begin!
@OsmanAli98 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @DeadSparrow @maximuswarrior @Dubious @waz @Oscar @MastanKhan @Slav Defence @Horus @Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @Hakikat ve Hikmet @dexter @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Zarvan
