Chinese incursions: border situation grim in Chumar

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Chinese incursions: border situation grim in Chumar​

Shishir Gupta , Hindustan Times New Delhi, July 26, 2013
First Published: 02:39 IST(26/7/2013) | Last Updated: 04:34 IST(26/7/2013)

The border security situation in Chumar sector of the eastern Ladakh turned worse when Chinese PLA soldiers crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and took away 150 metres of Optical Fibre Cable (OFC) linked to a surveillance camera and 300 metres of army’s telephone cable last Sunday.

The incident follows a face-off between the two sides on July 16-17 and an earlier incident on June 17 when the PLA took away a CCTV camera installed in the same area.

The sudden PLA aggression on July 21 in Chumar made Leh-based XIV Corps Commander Lt General Rakesh Sharma and Brigade Commander BM Gupta visit the area on July 23 to review the security situation along the LAC.

While India is committed to peace and tranquility on the LAC, instructions have been given to local commanders not to take matters lying down.

According to government sources, around 20 PLA troopers entered the India territory last Sunday and took away the OFC cable and telephone wire with the intention of not allowing the Indian Army monitor the LAC in the Chumar sector.

The Chumar incident has been taken up at the highest level with defence minister AK Antony being updated by army headquarters from time to time.

Senior officials says that Chumar has been the focus of PLA aggression as Indian Army’s observation post 30R dominates the LAC and gives a vantage view of the Chinese activity deep across the border.

This area figured in defusing the 21-day Depsang Plains standoff as the Chinese PLA went back to their original positions (called JAK I and II) on May 5, 2013, after the Indian Army dismantled a tin shed in the Chumar sector.

However, taking advantage of the CCTV camera, which was lying defunct for two full days, the PLA troops entered the Indian side on June 17 and took away the surveillance device. The faulty camera was returned on July 2 after Indian protests and on the eve of the defence minister visit to China on July 4.

“After the face-to-face like situation on July 16-17, the PLA showed aggression on July 21 by stealing the OFC and telephone cable which are vital to monitor the situation on the LAC.

The whole purpose is to push the Indian Army out of the vantage point near the LAC. While incursions in Arunachal Pradesh and Barahoti could be due to difference in LAC perceptions but the Chumar incident is about securing tactical advantage for the PLA in case of worst case scenario,” said a senior official

Border situation grim in Chumar as China turns up aggression - Hindustan Times

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I am confused.

When anyone tries to cross over the India-Pakistan border or the India-Bangladesh border, the Indians open fire right away, regardless of whether they are soldiers or cow traders. We see these incidents in the news all the time.

Yet apparently when a company of Chinese soldiers went 20-30 km deep into Indian territory for several weeks, they didn't even escort them out of the area? Which would be the standard procedure?

 

[Ganges Zephyr]

I am confused.

When anyone tries to cross over the India-Pakistan border or the India-Bangladesh border, the Indians open fire right away, regardless of whether they are soldiers or cow traders. We see these incidents in the news all the time.

Yet apparently when a company of Chinese soldiers went 20-30 km deep into Indian territory for several weeks, they didn't even escort them out of the area? Which would be the standard procedure?

We have agreements in place with China to deal with these types of situation, not true in case of Pakistan or Bangladesh, Hence different approach

 

[ares]

I am confused.

When anyone tries to cross over the India-Pakistan border or the India-Bangladesh border, the Indians open fire right away, regardless of whether they are soldiers or cow traders. We see these incidents in the news all the time.

Yet apparently when a company of Chinese soldiers went 20-30 km deep into Indian territory for several weeks, they didn't even escort them out of the area? Which would be the standard procedure?

Conversely on India-Nepal or India-Bhutan border people move freely across the border...with hardly a sentry post manning the border.

India-China border is a notch between India-Pakistan and India- Bhutan border..it is not hot like Indo- pak border,but neither is it demilitarized like India-Bhutan border...but the way things are progressing situation can change very quickly.

 

[faithfulguy]

Conversely on India-Nepal or India-Bhutan border people move freely across the border...with hardly a sentry post manning the border.

India-China border is a notch between India-Pakistan and India- Bhutan border..it is not hot like Indo- pak border,but neither is it demilitarized like India-Bhutan border...but the way things are progressing situation can change very quickly.

With the rate of growth between these two countries, it could become like US Mexico border with Indians try to go to China to work as manual labor.

 

[ares]

With the rate of growth between these two countries, it could become like US Mexico border with Indians try to go to China to work as manual labor.

LOL that very very unlikely to happen becuse.

1) Language barrier.

2) Inhospitable terrain, which makes movement of well supplied armies a most difficult endeavor..is an impossible feat for common man.

3)China still has the worlds largest population...they need jobs ..they still migrate to other countries find one.

4) China adjoining India ..ie most of Tibet is still underdeveloped, compared to eastern part of China..their is not much income imbalance..nor is China a free market economy to invite foreign workers.

5)As a river flows downhill, People find hard to adjust to an autocratic, communist country..after living in a democratic, capitalist one..usually it is the other way around, people from communist countries are migrating to democratic countries may that be East Germany and West Germany, Cuba and USA, or even Soviet union and European countries or even United States.

 

[Tshering22]

I am confused.

When anyone tries to cross over the India-Pakistan border or the India-Bangladesh border, the Indians open fire right away, regardless of whether they are soldiers or cow traders. We see these incidents in the news all the time.

Yet apparently when a company of Chinese soldiers went 20-30 km deep into Indian territory for several weeks, they didn't even escort them out of the area? Which would be the standard procedure?

Thank the Khangressi cowards.

Here MOD has to clear you to fire and kill even on the battlefield.

The soldiers don't have the orders to shoot you because these treacherous vermin are anti-national who are calling the shot.

Let's just say that your soldiers are in luck that this regime is still in power.

 

[Genesis]

LOL that very very unlikely to happen becuse.

1) Language barrier.

2) Inhospitable terrain, which makes movement of well supplied armies a most difficult endeavor..is an impossible feat for common man.

3)China still has the worlds largest population...they need jobs ..they still migrate to other countries find one.

4) China adjoining India ..ie most of Tibet is still underdeveloped, compared to eastern part of China..their is not much income imbalance..nor is China a free market economy to invite foreign workers.

5)As a river flows downhill, People find hard to adjust to an autocratic, communist country..after living in a democratic, capitalist one..usually it is the other way around, people from communist countries are migrating to democratic countries may that be East Germany and West Germany, Cuba and USA, or even Soviet union and European countries or even United States.

True unlikely but not for the reasons you listed. Last time I checked Spanish and English are not the same.

Why does army movement even matter here? Though it is true the infrastructure on your side of the border makes movement difficult at best.

We got the world's biggest population yes, but also it is soon to decrease fast, there are predictions by about 2050 we be at around 1 billion people while India will far surpass that.

Tibet is underdeveloped relatively, but ONLY relative to developed countries and rest of China. Income is not balanced everywhere, just the scope is different. You don't feel the same as Bill gates do you? Though we don't really invite foreign workers they do come and soon we may not have a choice.

Then why do people find it hard to adjust to India while easy in Singapore? Singapore is democratic but some of their laws are harsher than ours. The answer is money and order. While DEVELOPED democratic countries have this almost by default, USUALLY authoritarians don't, but China isn't just any other country so you can't really compare us to say some African undemocratic country.

As to communist to democratic, how much do China resemble the Soviets or Cuba, with our fast cars, loose women, house of cards, and what not....

 

[IndoCarib]

I am confused.

When anyone tries to cross over the India-Pakistan border or the India-Bangladesh border, the Indians open fire right away, regardless of whether they are soldiers or cow traders. We see these incidents in the news all the time.

Yet apparently when a company of Chinese soldiers went 20-30 km deep into Indian territory for several weeks, they didn't even escort them out of the area? Which would be the standard procedure?

India forces back Chinese troops | Deccan Chronicle



Leh/New Delhi/ Beijing: Close on the heels of over a dozen incursions since the face-off in Ladakh in April from across the Line of Actual Control, Chinese troops made a fresh attempt to violate the International Border at Chumar area in north east of Leh on July 20 but were forced back by Indian troops.

The “assertive posturing” by the Chinese troops, who had climbed a small mountain where they faced Indian troops, has been flashed to all units along the Sino-India border in the area to keep a strict vigil on their movement, official sources said on Thursday.

Chinese troops claimed it was their territory and they were headed towards Tible area, five kilometres into Indian territory.

Confronted almost bang on the border by army and ITBP troops, the Chi-nese soldiers said they had to follow the orders of PLA headquarters and conduct some photography in Tible area.

However, after a usual face-off drill, the Chinese troops, who had to walk a long stretch to reach Chumar, sought help in getting some food as they had run out of their stock.

While no food was provided as the troops did not carry it with them, some cans of juices were given to the PLA soldiers, the sources said, adding the Chinese troops then retreated into their area.
The Chinese military refuted reports of incursions by its troops.

 

[sree45]

True unlikely but not for the reasons you listed. Last time I checked Spanish and English are not the same.

But US does have a sizable amount of spanish speaking population. How many in China can understand Hindi or any other Indic language?

 

[panyimao]

India do not quarrel, have the ability to wage war against China.

 

[SirHatesALot]

Another one,well lets setup a Chinese restaurant to accommodate the soldiers.