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[BJlaowai]

P-o-Kconstruction work, stapled visa to figure during Krishna's China visit

A host of issues, including China's involvement in construction projects in Pak Occupied Kashmir (***), stapled visas for Kashmiris and the imbalance in trade with China are likely to be raised during External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna's China visit starting from Monday.

Krishn's four-day official visit coincides with the 60th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between India and China.

Briefing media on the visit, the External Affairs Ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash said a whole gamut of bilateral, regional and international issues will be reviewed during Krishna's talks in Beijing with Chinese leadership.

This is the first high level bilateral visit since the UPA Government began its second innings and the first by S. M. Krishna since he took over the External Affairs Ministry.

Joint Secretary (East Asia), Gautam Bambawale said India is of the view that a uniform practice should be followed with regard to issuing of visa regardless of ethnicity and domicile of Indian nationals.

He said the issue involves national sovereignty and territorial integrity.

"India has already taken up the issue of Chinese construction in P-o-K at several levels, " said Prakash.

The ministry reiterated that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India and any construction there by a foreign body is illegal.

Prakash said China has made it clear that the Kashmir issue should be resolved bilaterally by India and Pakistan.

On the imbalance in trade, New Delhi will seek greater access of Indian goods to Chinese markets, with the trade deficit touching 15.8 billion dollars last year.

The volume of two-way trade has increased phenomenally from 1.8 billion dollars in 2000 to 43 billion dollars last year, despite the global meltdown.

There was an increase of trade in the first two months of this year by 50 per cent as compared to the corresponding period last year.

"India is keen to build on positives to fulfill the development aspirations of the two countries," Prakash said.

The two sides should narrow down the divergences and should be sensitive to each other's concerns," he added.

During his stay in China, Krishna will also inaugurate Festival of India and attend a function to mark 60 years of diplomatic relations between the two Asian giants.

The official said India will also participate in a big way in Shanghai World Expo in May. (ANI)

 

[BJlaowai]

Krishna's China visit to boost Sino-India ties

By Matthias Williams

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna travels to China next week to consolidate ties, recently improved by a trade boom and cooperation over climate change that shifted the focus away from a border dispute.

The world's two most populous nations are putting the global financial crisis behind them more quickly than developed countries and want to build on a decade of commercial growth that has pushed China to the top of India's list of trade partners.

While Beijing is deep into a spat with the United States over the strength of the yuan currency and Google's battle with Chinese censors, Indian analysts say India and China have much to gain from keeping each other onside.

A turning point seems to have been last December's climate conference in Copenhagen, where India and China helped patch together a deal while facing accusations that they were obstructing a more ambitious agreement.

"The climate did change in Copenhagen. There is a new warmth in China's tone towards India," Sanjaya Baru, former media adviser to India's prime minister, wrote in the Business Standard.

The largest and fourth-largest emitters, China and India want rich nations to take the lead to slow global warming, and will not let their own climate commitments stifle economic growth.

Krishna starts his four-day visit on Monday -- scant months after tempers flared over reports of border incursions and a row over the Dalai Lama's visit to the disputed frontier state of Arunachal Pradesh

MISTRUST OVER BORDER

Nearly half a century after war broke out between them, mistrust persists, especially over the 90,000 sq km (35,000 sq. miles) of land in Arunachal Pradesh state claimed by Beijing.

China was incensed when the Dalai Lama visited the state last year and saw it as proof of the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader's separatist machinations.

"After the brinkmanship of 2009, on Arunachal Pradesh and Dalai Lama, both sides seem to want to return to a more normal template of pragmatic engagement," Baru wrote.

Ahead of his trip, Krishna said only that India had "some concerns" about its border.

"There's a sense I get, of both sides trying not to escalate the war of words," said Siddharth Varadarajan, strategic affairs editor of The Hindu newspaper.

Trade Minister Anand Sharma has called the Chinese currency a concern for Indian industry. But unlike Washington, New Delhi has refrained from putting pressure on China, the world's fastest growing economy, to let the yuan strengthen.

The bilateral trade boom has been a mixed blessing for India, now grappling with a deficit in China's favour which ballooned from $1 billion in 2001-2 to $16 billion in 2007-8, according to Indian central bank data.

They can still cross swords over tariffs and perceived protectionist barriers, with India of late initiating more anti-dumping investigations against China than any other country.

But both sides say bilateral trade and investment lag far behind their potential and have agreed to even out trade flows.

The two countries are expected to lead a 9.5 percent expansion in global trade volumes projected by the World Trade Organisation in 2010.

Lurking in the background will be Indian suspicions over China's growing military clout. Underscoring Indian jitters, the outgoing National Security Adviser earlier this year said his computers had likely been targeted by Chinese hackers.

Also on the list of talking points could be Afghanistan, where India worries it might be losing a struggle for strategic influence with nuclear-armed rival Pakistan.

(Editing by Alistair Scrutton and Ron Popeski)

Krishna’s China visit to ease problem issues

Beijing, April 4: The external affairs minister, Mr S.M. Krishna will arrive here on Monday for “comprehensive” talks with the top Chinese leadership covering issues like issuance of stapled visas by Beijing and “illegal” construction in Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

Billed as a visit aimed at consolidating the much improved Sino-Indian ties after last year’s spat on Arunachal Pradesh, Mr Krishna will have a hectic schedule for the next two days, which include talks with his Chinese counterpart, Mr Yang Jiechi followed by the Prime Minister Mr Wen Jiabao.

Besides attending a civic reception, he would formally kick off six-month-long celebrations to mark the 60th year of establishment of diplomatic ties between the two countries.

While the two sides attach a great deal of importance on the substantive issues that would come for discussion, officials of both sides said the tone and tenor of the dialogue would be based on common perception.

The general feeling in both the countries is that the tensions arising out of Chinese statements over Arunachal Pradesh, subsequent visit of Dalai Lama there, the adverse reports in the media in both the countries have not benefitted either of the countries, Indian officials here said.

The entire gamut of bilateral issues will be taken up, including the boundary issue, “illegal” construction by Chinese companies in P-o-K and China issuing stapled visas to those hailing from Jammu and Kashmir, a ministry of external affairs spokesman said in New Delhi on Saturday.

India has been maintaining that any construction in P-o-K by China was “illegal”. This has been conveyed to China at every level as it was a matter of “core concern” to the country, another Indian official said. China regards Mr Krishna’s patient approach during last year’s spat provided a “calming influence” on the bilateral ties during the 2009, Indian diplomats said here.

He is also expected to take up the arrest of 21 diamond dealers from Gujarat, who were held few months ago in Shenzhen city on charges of smuggling.

 

[letsbefriends]

lol we are BUYING peace from the americans?

strategic industries like telecom, defense and finance are completely government controlled over here.

more than i can say for india where HUAWEI has to install your GSM systems, there are more foreign banks than private OR public banks in india, and defense... we all know about india's defense "industry".

so what if we have more foreign banks in india???it maintains a healthy competition for the business and people get a good eal,he was sayig dat we r not dependant on US as much as china is for our imports or exports.periodn yeah we all knw abt chinese defence industry

 

[COPE2]

indians, pakistanis, and chinese need to stop fighting with each other. if we do that, the only people who will win are the european, and american.

 

[below_freezing]

so what if we have more foreign banks in india???it maintains a healthy competition for the business and people get a good eal,he was sayig dat we r not dependant on US as much as china is for our imports or exports.periodn yeah we all knw abt chinese defence industry

lol how do we depend on the americans for import or export, our largest export market is the EU and our largest import is from japan, followed by south korea.

 

[Martian2]

As I commented elsewhere...after years of blogging reading geopolicitcs Ive new found respect for India and Indians..(Im one too)..

It rankles the Americans like Obama that eventually we truly BELIEVE we will be the SOLE supowrpower of the world. Come what may and it will happen in the next 50 years....all in the India middle upwards ie 250 MM people believe that...and surely it rankes Obama and it rankles the Pakistanis and to some extent the Chinese as they have COMPROMISED more of theie freedoms to BUY peace from US....

Think this through...this is my conclusion after lot of thought...Consider the fact that India hasnt opened up India's economy to the US like the Chinese have and neither are we dependent on US for security like Europe or Japan...etc etc..I can go on.

I must disagree. As you say, China is a very open economy with large imports and exports of goods. In comparison, India's economy is far more closed with much lower imports and exports.

Let's compare the results of the two different economic paths. According to the IMF, China's economy (e.g. $4.9 trillion dollars) is four times larger than India's economy (e.g. $1.2 trillion dollars). Also, China's foreign exchange reserves (e.g. $2.45 trillion dollars) are nine times larger than India's forex reserves (e.g. 0.28 trillion dollars).

Similarly, there is a significant discrepancy in industrial power and technology between the two countries. See http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-defence/54821-chinas-top-ten-videos.html

India is moving away from the old policy that you advocate of "import substitution" and toward China's policy of "free trade."

Commanding Heights : India Trade Policy | on PBS
"India's import controls and tariff policy stimulate the production of import-substitution goods by local manufacturers. ... it holds preliminary trade talks with the regional organization ASEAN, and free trade deals are in the works ..."

"1985-1989: The beginnings of trade liberalization are visible. The government reduces import duties and widens investment opportunities for the private sector. The reduction in tax rates and import deficits is financed through commercial borrowing. Liberalization of imports extends to capital and intermediate goods.

1990-1994: The 1991 economic reform package further liberalizes trade. The government reduces tariffs and trade barriers, eliminates licenses for most industries, and slashes subsidies for domestic products and exports. Many powerful vested interests oppose liberalization, however, and trade remains somewhat regulated. The government bans, for example, the import of many consumer goods.

1995-2001: To meet WTO commitments, India agrees to eliminate quantitative restrictions on many consumer and agricultural product imports, while retaining export subsidies and incentives. Growth of Bangalore's high-tech industry leads to the export of software and supercomputers."

 

[DesiGuy]

indians, pakistanis, and chinese need to stop fighting with each other. if we do that, the only people who will win are the european, and american.

They will never stop fighting. So Just be friend with USA and don't blame USA when any war takes place between any of these countries.

 

[BJlaowai]

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Watch the documentary on the NDTV website.

link: Little India in Beijing

One of the participants, is a very close friend of mine

 

[samaste.march]

Basis of relationships is established by the two states bilaterally with other states were also founded in that historical context. Chin had won its freedom through an armed struggle of epic proportions, Its military was unlike any in history in its struggle against overwhelming odds, And military of China was unlike any in history in its struggle against overwhelming odds and its commitment to an ideology. I thing China is adding a healthy dose of “Idealist” balance to its policies and India on the other hand is introducing an element of “Realist” pragmatism to its policies.

 

[LeeRain]

You are speaking of China as something out of the world. China is a poor country with per capita GDP of $3300 albeit way ahead of India.
You have to wake up to the fact that is truth. Just because media is banned from filming poor neighborhoods doesn't mean that they don't exist.
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[CardSharp]

Hi, new member and sorry for the non-sequitur but I wanted to share an article. It details an under-exposed diminsion to Indians’ attitude towards China and that is betrayal. Indians are taught that China betrayed India early in the relationship and it is still a common theme in Indian journalism today. From the Indian site rediff. “Nehru’s legacy India the Lamb state”

“India is the only known country in modern history to have repeatedly cried betrayal, not by friends but by adversaries in whom it had reposed trust” (ie China)
“Reflecting India’s decline in its own eyes, however, while one ‘betrayal’ in 1962 hastened the death of Jawaharlal Nehru” (ie the 1962 sino-indian war)

When I did some more digging I came across this excellent article that seem to explain why they felt stabbed in the back.

Laying the ghost of the India-China war
By Sultan Shahin
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DK01Df04.html


In this article Sultan Shahin lays out what he called the “Nehruvian betrayal” felt by Indians toward china. He describes how Nehru famously created the slogan Hindi-Chini bhai bhai [Indians and Chinese are brothers] then outline how this friendship was perceived to have been broken by a ungracious and perfidious China, who started an aggressive war in 1962 (the Sino-Indian war). It is well worth a read and I am hoping for input from both sides to perhaps work out some of these grievances through discourse.

 

[Guynextdoor]

where is the future? i can only see the so-call "future" in pakistan forum in few indian's mouth , it's filled with hypocritical and cunning,these few guy can even stab china next day in the same forum,you can only see pure hating if you visit any indian forum,and the funny part is india is the side grasping our territory and support the separatists against us。it's ridiculous to hate china based on their media's faking news and propaganda，and it's freaking ridiculous to hate china because they lost a "forward policy" war to us

You've got a big mouth

 

[Guynextdoor]

Hi, new member and sorry for the non-sequitur but I wanted to share an article. It details an under-exposed diminsion to Indians’ attitude towards China and that is betrayal. Indians are taught that China betrayed India early in the relationship and it is still a common theme in Indian journalism today. From the Indian site rediff. “Nehru’s legacy India the Lamb state”


When I did some more digging I came across this excellent article that seem to explain why they felt stabbed in the back.

Laying the ghost of the India-China war
By Sultan Shahin
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DK01Df04.html


In this article Sultan Shahin lays out what he called the “Nehruvian betrayal” felt by Indians toward china. He describes how Nehru famously created the slogan Hindi-Chini bhai bhai [Indians and Chinese are brothers] then outline how this friendship was perceived to have been broken by a ungracious and perfidious China, who started an aggressive war in 1962 (the Sino-Indian war). It is well worth a read and I am hoping for input from both sides to perhaps work out some of these grievances through discourse.

The problems between India and China are more than just some fist fight over territotory or indoctrination or perspective. It goes to the very heart of how each country views itself.
a) CHina has always considered itself a sigle entity contuniously existing throughout the ages for thousands of years. Emipres/ Governments/ Ideologies change but the land is one, is always the same (growing & expanding) country. So areas which once paid tribute/ accepted the suzeerainty of the any chinese govt in the past is effectively chinese- no matter how distant in history that event may have been

b) India is a product of a more recent. May have existed as a civilization but as a geographical entity we welded our country through 'acquisitions'. So giving concessions on territory just becuase a few hundred years ago they accepted your paramountcy doesn't make sense

The territories in dispute now are Populated and India will never make a compromise on populated territories.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

One day India is still supporting Tibet independence.

One day India is full of Anti-China speech

NO good relationship between China and India

 

[xdrive]

One day India is still supporting Tibet independence.

One day India is full of Anti-China speech

NO good relationship between China and India

Asia Asians.