Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

[Edevelop]

From the image it seems to be J-10A. How would J-10B work against J-11 ?

 

[xuxu1457]

108 pilots and their combat aircrafts fighting for ten Golden Helmet, and no matter J-11 and J-10, pilots more important than aircrafts, about 80% destroyed aircrafts did by 20% elite pilots

 

[sweetgrape]

I think the title is misleading, J-11 and J10 are different plane, one is heavy, one is middle.
The China Red flag drill just a training exercise, don't involve the plane here, just focus on the promotion of Pilot skill.

Hope more such training exercise will be in china, to train and promote our pilot, and improve our plane.

 

[S10]

From the image it seems to be J-10A. How would J-10B work against J-11 ?

Hard to say, but new tactics will evolve constantly during these exercises. I won't be surprised if units flying the J-10 turn the tables next year.

I think the title is misleading, J-11 and J10 are different plane, one is heavy, one is middle.
The China Red flag drill just a training exercise, don't involve the plane here, just focus on the promotion of Pilot skill.

Hope more such training exercise will more in china, to train and promote our pilot, and improve our plane.

The wording of the news is 对抗训练, which means mock combat training. The news article mentions how pilots engage each other.

 

[sweetgrape]

Hard to say, but new tactics will evolve constantly during these exercises. I won't be surprised if units flying the J-10 turn the tables next year.


The wording of the news is 对抗训练, which means mock combat training. The news article mentions how pilots engage each other.

I know, What I mean is that the title is a little misleading, will let the thread be into arguing over the plane.
I am very glad that the training excerise become more in china, we will have more better planes, so the question appear, how to train our pilot, very glad that government don't neglect the traing system, also invest much on it, we should learn all the ways of training from other country, I like USA and Isreal training, especially Isreal, Whatever, very happy for PLA achievement.

 

[Black Widow]

For those who abuse Su27 series for its massive RCS..


Su27 series is very potent platform, The plane can match Su27 series is F15s and EFTs..

 

[DrSomnath999]

Seems like we may be investing in the wrong plane.

well i hope PAF realises it as soon as possible
instead get upgraded F16 latest variant block 60

 

[Beast]

Most of the kill is carried by by BVR. not the dogfight. The raw power of J-11b radar plus its stronger EW were the reason that kill most of the J-10. The last competition, the J-11B pilot were shot down by J-10, did not even utilise their EW suit available onboard.

There is a reason why PLAAF prefer big plane, like J-8F which never retired and continuing gets upgrade. Bigger means you can carry more powerful EW suit and a bigger radar.

While small plane like J-7G and J-E are quickly phased out and retired.

 

[April.lyrics]

and after this exercise countries with su27 series need not complain about air threat from J10

 

[Beast]

Seems like we may be investing in the wrong plane.

Don't worry! Once China gets its hand on the 24 Su-35 , we will transfer those 24 planes to PAF... It's all part of the plan.

We don't need those Russian Su-35.

 

[Beast]

Seems a good news for us. Similarly our Su30MKI will crush J10 when it is inducted in PAF.

MKI wil be different.. It doesn't has the EW suit J-11b has.. J-11b has redesigned air inlet to reduced RCS, composite added to reduced weight. MKI will have increased RCS due to its canard..

 

[Windjammer]

Seems a good news for us. Similarly our Su30MKI will crush J10 when it is inducted in PAF.

"A Plane is only as good as it's pilot". !!

OT, It's interesting to note that while Pakistan is allegedly going for the J-10, China on the other hand sent it's J-11s to Pakistan to exercise with the PAF. !!!

 

[IND151]

For those who abuse Su27 series for its massive RCS..


Su27 series is very potent platform, The plane can match Su27 series is F15s and EFTs..

not completely true

you cant comapare EFT with SU 27.

EFT is MRCA while SU 27 is heavy figher

 

[UKBengali]

I think that happened is that the newer J-11B used it's more advanced and powerful radar to shoot BVR missiles at the J-10A before the J-10 was able to get a comparable lock.

Whenever a J-11B got a lock and fired, this was registered as a "kill".

There is no way that the J-11B, would actually be able to shoot down a J-10A with a kill ratio of 42-1 for real.

Results would have been different if the J-10B was used instead with it's much more advanced radar and EW suite.

We really need a lot more details on the parameters that this exercise was held before coming to firm conclusions.

 

[giant panda]

J-10A got 3 gold helmets this year ,that's not bad.Just not so good as before.