Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

kungfugymnast · Feb 12, 2021

Deino said:
Again, I never said it is forbidding to post on the J-11D, I never said there is no J-11D ... I'm not sure why you once again try to start a pissing contest.

Yes, go ahead but back up your claims since so far NOTHING hints towards that the "J-11D entering production along with J-16" and stop spreading lies and unsubstantial rumours as facts and spin you endless long posts on them.

From all we know, there have been at least three J-11D prototypes, they are vry much different to the regular J-11A/B and since so far no production commenced many say it is most likely a dead project now but as it seems, the prototypes are still flying since they are valuable assets you don't only retire. But again, there is no hint yet, taht the J-11D will enter service.

China's fighters policy is to have conventional and stealth fighters in active service. Do they still produce more J-11B now or production stopped?

Look at US despite wanted all stealth fighters replacing all conventional 4th generation has made a U-Turn after realizing the F-22 and F-35 can't really take over all roles of F-15/16/18. If you look at US rates of crashes high due to structural worn out in ageing F-15 and F-16 over 30 years old. If US didn't face serious budget issues, they would have recycled their F-15C/E into F-15X/XE. Recycle = disassembly, remold and rebuilt = new fighter (not overhaul).

The J-11D costs lower than J-16, requires just 1 pilot, in air to ground role, the J-11D could perform the same delivering same amount of bombs and missiles. J-11D production depends on numbers of replacement fighters required.

Deino · Feb 12, 2021

kungfugymnast said:
China's fighters policy is to have conventional and stealth fighters in active service. Do they still produce more J-11B now or production stopped?

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The J-11D costs lower than J-16, requires just 1 pilot, in air to ground role, the J-11D could perform the same delivering same amount of bombs and missiles. J-11D production depends on numbers of replacement fighters required.

That's only an assumption, not a fact! As such I fully agree with you that there still is a role for "conventional - aka fourth or 4.5 generation - fighters in active service" but like @serenity noted, the "J-11B can already receive upgrades to AESA and PL-10 with PL-15. This is maybe about 90% J-11D usefulness for less price."

Nothing so far hints towards the J-11D entering full scale production and yes, J-11B production ended.

kungfugymnast · Feb 12, 2021

Deino said:
That's only an assumption, not a fact! As such I fully agree with you that there still is a role for "conventional - aka fourth or 4.5 generation - fighters in active service" but like @serenity noted, the "J-11B can already receive upgrades to AESA and PL-10 with PL-15. This is maybe about 90% J-11D usefulness for less price."

Nothing so far hints towards the J-11D entering full scale production and yes, J-11B production ended.

China is large country and PLAAF demands more fighters for their inventory. J-11D status can be said as similar to Russian air force Su-27SM3 on limited production based on necessity request. Older Su-27 undergone MLU refitted with present avioncs redesignated as Su-27SM2. J-11B on MLU will be refitted with AESA & revised MFDs whereas older ageing fighters that are beyond repair will be replaced with J-11D. PLAAF quota for conventional fighters is still there so J-11D will likely receive limited request.

Based on your thoughts, which engine will be fitted on J-11D? Standard WS-10B or more powerful WS-10C?

fallstuff · Feb 12, 2021

How many sukhois china copied ?

kungfugymnast · Feb 12, 2021

serenity said:
J-11D program is over. There is no point but the new radar developed for J-11D that PLAAF rejected first versions of might be useful for J-11B if it is now improved enough.

4.5 generation is J-16 and J-10C so why buy any J-11D? J-11B can already receive upgrades to AESA and PL-10 with PL-15. This is maybe about 90% J-11D usefulness for less price. Also improves the J-11B which are otherwise much less useful but still have very good design and service.

J-11D production already explained in reply to Deino when there's demand to replace ageing retired Su-27 and J-11A in years to come apart from PLAAF still has quota on conventional fighters.

J-10C is suited for planned air to ground search and destroy, home defense, economic air patrol but not an interceptor with its design aerodynamic sacrifices speed for maneuverability especially at low speed. In situation where speed and combat radius are crucial, the J-11D will be useful to save ground troops under imminent enemy air and ground threats.

Take conflict in Ladakh for example, the nearest PLAAF airbase is 700miles away, J-11D on full internal fuel has the speed and combat radius to reach there soon enough and with refuelling tanker ready while on way home. Nearest IAF airbase is only 300 miles from border and their Su-30MKI won't have issue on combat radius. Their rafales however would need drop tanks to reach.