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We already know your facts. We know India is terrible.

I never claimed India is 'terrible'. India is doing what it should -- pursuing its national interests. It just so happens, judging by events, that India's national interests see it aligning itself more with China's enemies in the West than with China itself.

(One-off deviances like climate change don't count).

China may see itself in the context of a grand showdown between Asia and the West, but India clearly doesn't see it that way.
 
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I am not assuming anything. Simply pointing out facts which the pro-Indian apologists continue to downplay or dismiss.



Labels like 'conpiracy theorist' do nothing to counter the facts which have been presented and confirmed by none other than the 9/11 commission itself.

People who avoid facts and focus on labels do not do their cause any justice.



I am not siding with anybody, simply pointing out the incongruence and illogic of the pro-India Chinese members on this forum.

Whatever he says about Japan is an internal Chinese matter for the Chinese members to discuss. While I admire the Japanese culture for their achievements, I also recognize the crimes committed by them in the past. Whether to forgive them or not is a decision for the Chinese.



I provide balance to the Indian propaganda on this forum by pointing out the geopolitical realities of the situation. I expect readers to exercise their own judgement and evaluate the facts based on merit, not agenda.

People are responsible for forming their own opinions, and intelligent adults will do so with being 'manipulated' either by pro-India or pro-Pakistan posts.

Holy F'ing hell stop telling me what I should think. I am not pro-Indian, I am anti-stupidity whatever flag it wears. I don't believe in Indian yellow journalism and I don't believe you. You spout as much BS as any times of India article. Crazy doesn't balance crazy. The truth doesn't necessarily lay between two extremes. And by the way despite the disagreements I have with Gambit and chogy, they destroyed you in the 9/11 argument.
 
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Holy F'ing stop F'ing telling me what I should think.

It is a public forum and people are free to post their opinions and analyses. If you are unable to digest dissenting views, then you should take up knitting as a hobby.

And by the way despite the disagreements I have with Gambit and chogy, they destroyed you in the 9/11 argument.

Destroyed? hardly! :rofl:

People can decide for themselves who keeps avoiding the facts of the 9/11 commission and resorting to personal attacks instead.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...1-investigated-ahmedinejad-6.html#post1175529

Incidentally, this brings to mind a Chinese proverb: the first person to raise his hands in a conflict admits he has lost the argument.
 
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It is a public forum and people are free to post their opinions and analyses. If you are unable to digest uncomfortable truths, then you should take up knitting as a hobby.

There is a difference between public discussion and you telling me the way I think is "wrong" because it goes against what you think Chinese foreign policy should be. (this isn't the first time I've caught you doing this)

If you are not honestly enough to admit this is what you're doing I have no further words for you.
 
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There is a difference between public discussion and you telling me the way I think is "wrong" because it goes against what you think Chinese foreign policy should be. (this isn't the first time I've caught you doing this)


If you are not honestly enough to admit this is what you're doing I have no further words for you.

I merely present facts, and sometimes opinions, for general discussion. If you feel that the facts I present disagree with your convictions, then you are free to ignore them.

I am not aiming my comment towards any one person. If you feel that my commetns are directed at you personally, then I really don't know what to say. Can you show me a specific example where I told you personally that you were 'wrong'?
 
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I merely present facts, and sometimes opinions, for general discussion. If you feel that the facts I present disagree with your convictions, then you are free to ignore them.

I am not aiming my comment towards any one person. If you feel that my commetns are directed at you personally, then I really don't know what to say. Can you show me a specific example where I told you personally that you were 'wrong'?

You've insinuated about my personal integrity and now you're going to go back and denied you've done it? This is intellectual midgetry.

Not taking sides in the dispute or questioning anybody's integrity but this part has always fascinated me. Some Chinese members, who also happen to be very pro-India-China friendship, come to Pakistan Defence Forum to learn about Indian culture? Seems very strange to say the least...

It's like going to dinner at someone's house and spending the evening praising their enemy.

And we all know that many countries use cyber-agents to spread disinformation and propaganda on internet forums.

This crosses the line from being general discussion to accusations of my being something that I am not. Explain yourself.
 
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And it is wise to help the anti-China Indian trolls by acting exactly the same way with statements like "our missiles could wipe our your cities"?

Now i m seriously question your ability to think, take it from me is it alot wiser than keep on annoying our host. You three crowns really dont get it do you? you are so lucky that in this forum even india members is allow to post threads that are anti pakistan, please do not take it for granted the exceptional tolerance of our host. Still dont believe me, please go to india defence and see for your self how many anti india post got publish there. or even better do what you three are really good at continously posting pakistan praise threads there.
 
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This crosses the line from being general discussion to accusations of my being something that I am not. Explain yourself.

And you think that "some Chinese members" refers to you? Interesting that you should identify yourself with the characterisation "pro-India Chinese" posters.

What I specifically said was:
I am not saying anything about any specific poster. I am just making a general observation.

Now I am truly intrigued by your over-the-top self-righteousness...
 
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Now i m seriously question your ability to think, take it from me is it alot wiser than keep on annoying our host. You three crowns really dont get it do you? you are so lucky that in this forum even india members is allow to post threads that are anti pakistan, please do not take it for granted the exceptional tolerance of our host. Still dont believe me, please go to india defence and see for your self how many anti india post got publish there. or even better do what you three are really good at continously posting pakistan praise threads there.

The only Chinese member who agrees with you is "challenger", and he is not even really Chinese.

I'll ask you again... "challenger" supports the Japanese invasion of China in WW2, and says that Japan was only trying to "liberate" China.

Do you agree with that?
 
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Now i m seriously question your ability to think, take it from me is it alot wiser than keep on annoying our host. You three crowns really dont get it do you? you are so lucky that in this forum even india members is allow to post threads that are anti pakistan, please do not take it for granted the exceptional tolerance of our host. Still dont believe me, please go to india defence and see for your self how many anti india post got publish there. or even better do what you three are really good at continously posting pakistan praise threads there.

Hey I am a senior here and I have 2000 posts, don't you think that I know better than you what goes and what doesn't? You've not been here for long so I'll forgive your ignorance but anyone whose been here for a while knows that the majority of arguments I've had are with Indian members.

Developero deserves whatever criticism coming his way with his conspiracy theory about 9.11 and his personal insinution about me being an internet double agents. For the record, I've never ever had an disagreement with another Pakistani member here before.
 
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And you think that "some Chinese members" refers to you? Interesting that you should identify yourself with the characterisation "pro-India Chinese" posters.

What I specifically said was:

Now I am truly intrigued by your over-the-top self-righteousness...


A 5 years old following this thread would know who you meant. You're now lying to yourself if you don't think you mean me dragon and crossbow.


Intrigue this...
 
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Now i m seriously question your ability to think, take it from me is it alot wiser than keep on annoying our host. You three crowns really dont get it do you? you are so lucky that in this forum even india members is allow to post threads that are anti pakistan, please do not take it for granted the exceptional tolerance of our host. Still dont believe me, please go to india defence and see for your self how many anti india post got publish there. or even better do what you three are really good at continously posting pakistan praise threads there.

On the contrary, I am on good terms with most Pakistani members here. Taimikhan, the knowledgeable, neutral mod who I deeply respect, is a personal friend. If you think that shouting slogans is a better, more sincere way of expressing your gratitude towards our Pakistani brothers than translating pages upon pages of Chinese text then I have nothing more to say to you.
 
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A 5 years old following this thread would know who you meant. You're now lying to yourself if you don't think you mean me dragon and crossbow.

My point was about any Chinese posters who are over-the-top pro-India without knowing their identities. I hate to disappoint your ego, but I really don't keep track of your, or anyone else's posts, to form an opinion whether they fall into that group

You may know the general tone of your posts, but I certainly don't have the time or desire to do so.

but anyone whose been here for a while knows that the majority of arguments I've had are with Indian members.

Then you don't qualify as a pro-India apologist. Matter closed.

Developero deserves whatever criticism coming his way with his conspiracy theory about 9.11

If you have valid rebuttals to the facts provided, then do so in the appropriate thread.
 
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On the contrary, I am on good terms with most Pakistani members here. Taimikhan, the knowledgeable, neutral mod who I deeply respect, is a personal friend. If you think that shouting slogans is a better, more sincere way of expressing your gratitude towards our Pakistani brothers than translating pages upon pages of Chinese text then I have nothing more to say to you.

Exactly right. :tup:

ChinaRocks has only 17 posts, what right does he have to lecture seigecrossbow on supporting this forum. Seigecrossbow, who has spent so much of his own time translating Chinese texts for the members here.
 
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