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Killing soldiers or civilians through terrorist attack is one thing but attacking a Nation's nerve system changes the game to another level....payback will come ....but.....


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Killing soldiers or civilians through terrorist attack is one thing but attacking a Nation's nerve system changes the game to another level....payback will come ....but.....


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Sir I beg to differ every single Pakistani life has value more than any business venture … from watching some of the current affairs program telecast on Indian channels plus on YouTube I am beginning to realize that enemy’s populous is 100 times more aware of the criticality of the situation and that is so evident from their mainstream media behavior i.e. it is pretty much aligned with their establishment narrative towards Pakistan while our mainstream media is so way off and misaligned and focused towards stupid political gossips … the enemy is way more “serious and determined” … this incident is one of many wakeup calls for Pakistan … I just hope that the response will be equal in measure and intensity …
 
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Unfortunately, I think this problem is going to get worse before it gets better. The attack itself was relatively minor and no group claimed responsibility, which indicates that this was a trial balloon. It's almost inevitable that other attacks are going to be bolder.

I used to think that these terrorism problems were endemic and that nothing short of comprehensive economic development and total societal reform could address them. While that might be necessary long term, there's a much better model for this that applies to Pakistan in particular: post-Arab Spring Egypt. Both Egypt and Pakistan are military-run countries; both have weak and corrupt political systems (at least in the Mubarak period in Egypt); both have problems with Islamist terrorists.

The difference is the Arab Spring swept away Mubarak's inept and corrupt government, and then in 2013 another revolution swept away the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood government. Thinks were looking very bad in the period from 2011 to 2013 - Egypt was mired in sectarian violence, the economy was collapsing, Hamas and other terrorists were roaming free and attacking whomever they wished. In short, Egypt was on its way to becoming Afghanistan.

What changed was Sisi. One general decided that enough was enough and the changes were nearly miraculous. The terrorists were hunted down and executed by the baker's dozen; there was a time when Egyptian courts were handing out death sentences like speeding tickets. New development projects were initiated the pulled Egypt's economy from the doldrums and it's been a standout among developing countries since.

There are a lot of lessons for Pakistan here, chief among them is that Pakistan needs a general who thinks Pakistan is worth saving.
 
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Unfortunately, I think this problem is going to get worse before it gets better. The attack itself was relatively minor and no group claimed responsibility, which indicates that this was a trial balloon. It's almost inevitable that other attacks are going to be bolder.

I used to think that these terrorism problems were endemic and that nothing short of comprehensive economic development and total societal reform could address them. While that might be necessary long term, there's a much better model for this that applies to Pakistan in particular: post-Arab Spring Egypt. Both Egypt and Pakistan are military-run countries; both have weak and corrupt political systems (at least in the Mubarak period in Egypt); both have problems with Islamist terrorists.

The difference is the Arab Spring swept away Mubarak's inept and corrupt government, and then in 2013 another revolution swept away the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood government. Thinks were looking very bad in the period from 2011 to 2013 - Egypt was mired in sectarian violence, the economy was collapsing, Hamas and other terrorists were roaming free and attacking whomever they wished. In short, Egypt was on its way to becoming Afghanistan.

What changed was Sisi. One general decided that enough was enough and the changes were nearly miraculous. The terrorists were hunted down and executed by the baker's dozen; there was a time when Egyptian courts were handing out death sentences like speeding tickets. New development projects were initiated the pulled Egypt's economy from the doldrums and it's been a standout among developing countries since.

There are a lot of lessons for Pakistan here, chief among them is that Pakistan needs a general who thinks Pakistan is worth saving.

I can see the problem that you are already buying into Indian narrative. Egypt doesn’t come even to a fraction of what Pakistan has done over the last decade, in areas where the force of entire NATO failed.

But the question is what is the root cause and where is the need to show that there is a price to pay if Pakistani and Chinese interests are hit via terrorist proxies?

Tell me what is common between TTP and BLA ideology? Nothing. Yet both have attacked and are attacking Chinese working on CPEC? Why? And where after being chased out of Pakistan both of them are based?

The game is something else. These projects have been openly challenged by certain countries and their facilitators in the region.

This is part of the overall China encirclement policy that is playing out via different tools all around you. If you are not up to the challenge then there is no future for you. They will by all means slowly encircle you.

If China is/emerging as a power not to be messed with then it needs to step up and show the regional lackeys that there is an unimaginable price to pay for targeting its citizens like this.

It’s a message not just for the enemies but the current and possible future allies of China. All are observing whether China can stand up for itself and is it worth to stand with China or not.
 
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Unfortunately, I think this problem is going to get worse before it gets better. The attack itself was relatively minor and no group claimed responsibility, which indicates that this was a trial balloon. It's almost inevitable that other attacks are going to be bolder.

I used to think that these terrorism problems were endemic and that nothing short of comprehensive economic development and total societal reform could address them. While that might be necessary long term, there's a much better model for this that applies to Pakistan in particular: post-Arab Spring Egypt. Both Egypt and Pakistan are military-run countries; both have weak and corrupt political systems (at least in the Mubarak period in Egypt); both have problems with Islamist terrorists.

The difference is the Arab Spring swept away Mubarak's inept and corrupt government, and then in 2013 another revolution swept away the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood government. Thinks were looking very bad in the period from 2011 to 2013 - Egypt was mired in sectarian violence, the economy was collapsing, Hamas and other terrorists were roaming free and attacking whomever they wished. In short, Egypt was on its way to becoming Afghanistan.

What changed was Sisi. One general decided that enough was enough and the changes were nearly miraculous. The terrorists were hunted down and executed by the baker's dozen; there was a time when Egyptian courts were handing out death sentences like speeding tickets. New development projects were initiated the pulled Egypt's economy from the doldrums and it's been a standout among developing countries since.

There are a lot of lessons for Pakistan here, chief among them is that Pakistan needs a general who thinks Pakistan is worth saving.

I guess you missed the massive gas fields they discovered. That's whats driving Eygptian growth, not another dictator.

Interesting that you label the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood government as terrorists. Can you tell us what terrorism they commited?

The only similarity between Pakistan and Eygpt are that both are large, populous Muslim nations.
 
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Did the indians just made the dragon more angry?

Yes. India is now dead. China and Pakistan will no longer talk but destroy India with actions.
Will China fight India or scared??

China has already shown the Indians their place by killing 100 of Indian soldiers last year.

Now China is going to completely destroy India.
So indians did not do this It was the Ummah loving Uighur loving Pakistani Muslims.

I don't think so bro. I doubt 90% of Pakistanis even know who Uighurs are

Uighurs are terrorists and they are being dealt nicely by China.
 
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I guess you missed the massive gas fields they discovered.
The Zohr field certainly helps fund these projects, but it's not the be-all-and-end-all. It hardly turns Egypt into a giant Qatar.

Afghanistan has a trillion dollars' worth of minerals; they haven't done anyone any good, least of all Afghans.
That's whats driving Eygptian growth, not another dictator.
You say "dictator" like it's a bad word. I have enough contempt for democracy in the West, so you can imagine what I think of a democracy of illiterate peasants and religious nutjobs. "Dictatorship" saved Egypt and it's the only hope Pakistan has of climbing out of the pit it's in.
Interesting that you label the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood government as terrorists. Can you tell us what terrorism they commited?
As I've made clear, I hold the word "elected" in the same regard I hold a used wipe. The only measure of a government's legitimacy is the results it delivers for its people.

As for the Brotherhood specifically, it's true that they've been historically cautious about signing their names onto terrorist attacks. They're more like a terrorism prep school; you do your undergraduate work there and then move on to graduate programs in organizations like al-Qaeda, ISIS, et al.
 
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The Zohr field certainly helps fund these projects, but it's not the be-all-and-end-all. It hardly turns Egypt into a giant Qatar.

Afghanistan has a trillion dollars' worth of minerals; they haven't done anyone any good, least of all Afghans.

You say "dictator" like it's a bad word. I have enough contempt for democracy in the West, so you can imagine what I think of a democracy of illiterate peasants and religious nutjobs. "Dictatorship" saved Egypt and it's the only hope Pakistan has of climbing out of the pit it's in.

As I've made clear, I hold the word "elected" in the same regard I hold a used wipe. The only measure of a government's legitimacy is the results it delivers for its people.

As for the Brotherhood specifically, it's true that they've been historically cautious about signing their names onto terrorist attacks. They're more like a terrorism prep school; you do your undergraduate work there and then move on to graduate programs in organizations like al-Qaeda, ISIS, et al.
Tell me. Where are the top most leaders of BLA and BRA residing? Stop dancing around the problem.
 
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Tell me. Where are the top most leaders of BLA and BRA residing? Stop dancing around the problem.
They're hiding in India. A lot of the Muslim Brotherhood's leadership are hiding in Turkey and Qatar, yet Egypt still managed to deal with its problem. Once you attack a terrorist network ruthlessly and efficiently, it doesn't matter where the leadership are - there's nothing left for them to lead.
 
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They're hiding in India. A lot of the Muslim Brotherhood's leadership are hiding in Turkey, yet Egypt still managed to deal with its problem. Once you attack a terrorist network ruthlessly and efficiently, it doesn't matter where the leadership are - there's nothing left for them to lead.
Ruthlessly? As operation Rah-e-rast Rah-e-Nijat, Khaibar, Zilzal, Zarb-e-Azb, etc. etc.

Go to YouTube and have a look at the ferocity, ruthlessness and scale of these ops. Nothing close to anything done by Egypt.

After which the whole Afghan(and Iran) border has been fenced and manned. Again search YouTube to see the extent and sophistication of the measures taken to stop terrorists crossing over.

For all that, all the enemy has to do is get through “once” and it will end up in casualties like this. And the enemy knows that there is no price to pay in return.

BTW only second and third tier terrorist have been in india. The top most tier leaders are in Europe. Hypocrisy?
 
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Sir I beg to differ every single Pakistani life has value more than any business venture … from watching some of the current affairs program telecast on Indian channels plus on YouTube I am beginning to realize that enemy’s populous is 100 times more aware of the criticality of the situation and that is so evident from their mainstream media behavior i.e. it is pretty much aligned with their establishment narrative towards Pakistan while our mainstream media is so way off and misaligned and focused towards stupid political gossips … the enemy is way more “serious and determined” … this incident is one of many wakeup calls for Pakistan … I just hope that the response will be equal in measure and intensity …

Won't be surprised if Pakistani mainstream media outlets are foreign funded to pursue anti-state agendas.
 
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Won't be surprised if Pakistani mainstream media outlets are foreign funded to pursue anti-state agendas.
Actually, I have seen this in the past that if you point finger at some of them then it becomes “sahafat ki azaadi ka issue” … btw no one have that much azaadi in the world like these do … unfortunately.
 
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they are angry on cowardice of Pakistan govt and establishment even after knowing who is doing this in Pakistan, but after every incident Pakistan authorities reveal "they know who is behind this"

They probably told the same to Chinese and any self respecting nation would get angry
 
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