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Bolt out of the blue
With its latest hybrid, carmaker BYD has come out of nowhere to lead the charge in green vehicles on the mainland
Mark Andrews
Nov 06, 2010

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BYD looked set to become one of the leading forces in the mainland motoring industry earlier this year. The company only started manufacturing cars in 2005, but in the first quarter of this year it topped sales figures on the mainland with the F3. For total production figures, the carmaker came in fourth place, behind two Volkswagen joint ventures and General Motors.
It has since taken a tumble, however. Last month the carmaker reported a 99 per cent profit slump for the third quarter, after an already worsening picture in the previous quarter, blamed on slumping car shipments, high dealership inventories and rising costs.

Originally a battery manufacturer, BYD bought bankrupt state-owned Qingchuan Motors in 2003. It would be easy to dismiss BYD as a producer of nothing more than clones and heavily inspired designs, but the company has been gaining a name abroad. Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway owns 10 per cent of the Hong Kong-listed company and a number of foreign carmakers have shown strong interest in its battery technology. The F3 is usually said to be a clone of the 9th-generation Toyota Corolla, but in its DM form it may well represent the future for BYD. China's answer to the Chevrolet Volt went on sale last year to corporate customers and from May this year to private consumers.

Externally a doppelganger for the Toyota, the F3DM is neither ugly nor exciting. Build quality is generally good with panels evenly spaced. However, the doors seem to vibrate when being closed.

Internally, however, the visual similarity to the Toyota is not carried through to the quality level. Sit in the driver's seat and one of the first things you notice is the flimsy plastic foot rest. Storage bins also seem of poor quality and do not open or close smoothly.

The central console has the CD/radio at the top. Below are controls for the parking sensors along with a clock and the hazard warning button. The climate control buttons are above a storage bin and ash tray.

Equipment levels are relatively low, consisting of electric windows and mirrors, and air conditioning. There are, however, comfortable leather seats.

In the rear, headroom is poor and anyone taller than 1.8 metres will have problems, but leg space is adequate. The middle passenger has to make do with just a lap restraint. Boot space is very disappointing.

Turn the key and things become a bit more exciting. First of all, the display lights up in blue. The left side largely shows the electric power use of the car for both the interior electronics and propulsion. A fuel gauge flanks the speedometer to the left, while the battery charge indicator complete with percentage readout falls to the right. Then there is a diagram showing the power use and sources around the car.

In front of the conventional-looking automatic gearboxes are two buttons at the base of the central console. Marked EV (electric vehicle) and HEV (hybrid electric vehicle), these allow the driver to choose how the car is powered.

On fully charged batteries, the maximum range is claimed to be 60 kilometres when operating solely as an electric vehicle. Using a fast-recharge station, the batteries can take on 50 per cent juice in 10 minutes. Using a domestic supply a full charge takes seven hours.

There is also a large solar panel on the roof that can provide some truly carbon-neutral motoring. Like a mild hybrid, the car recovers kinetic energy under braking conditions.

The F3DM uses the same one-litre petrol engine that BYD has in its F0 small hatchback. Usually the engine is used to just charge the batteries, as in the Chevrolet Volt. However, the F3DM overcomes the Volt's problem with mid-range acceleration by also using the petrol engine to provide extra power during acceleration.

All the batteries and technology packed into the DM carry a big weight penalty, adding 360kg over the conventional F3. However, BYD says the propulsion system has the equivalent power to a 2.4-litre conventional engine (the normal F3 is powered by a 1.5-litre unit).

In EV mode the car proves to deliver sprightly performance. Acceleration appears to be good up to about 80km/h. Unfortunately, we can't assess it at faster speeds as our test was limited to the confines of BYD's Shenzhen headquarters.

As can be expected, the car is very quiet. Surprisingly, when in HEV mode there appears to be no difference. However, the petrol engine wasn't working because the batteries were more than half charged and no fast acceleration was required.

Despite the weight penalty, handling seems to be good, but the test route is relatively straight and as usual for a Chinese car the steering is light. Road surfaces are good but the car gives the impression of having soft suspension.

While the F3DM does have quality problems, particularly with the interior, the propulsion system seems to work. In achieving this, BYD has beaten to market and most likely spent a fraction of the research and development costs of General Motors with the Volt.

Furthermore, it seems to have solved the mid-range acceleration problem that European tests of the Volt have revealed. And to top it all, the full list price works out at under US$25,000 compared with the American's US$41,000.

Facts and figures: the F3DM

What drives it? There are two electric motors producing 50kW and 25kW respectively, plus a 1.0 litre petrol engine producing 50kW, giving a combined output of 125kW.

How fast is it? Top speed is 150km/h and BYD says it can go from zero to 100km/h in 10.5 seconds.

How safe is it? Only two airbags are fitted and there is a protection system against electric shock. No official crash tests have been done but the car has passed mainland electric vehicle safety standards.

How thirsty is it? Electricity consumption is 16kWh per 100km.

How clean is it? No carbon dioxide figures are quoted but under EV mode it is as clean as the method of electricity production.

How much is it? The full list price is 169,800 yuan (HK$197,100). But the central government offers a subsidy of 50,000 yuan and some local governments also offer a subsidy - Shenzhen gives 30,000 yuan.
 
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A crash test will be very enlightening.
 
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Hey i heard chinese car companies were going to enter india.Can sombdy confirm.
 
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Hey i heard chinese car companies were going to enter india.Can sombdy confirm.

Oh,no~~~

I think that's not possible.

There is a funny story about Huawei&ZTE in india...:yahoo:

So...It tells us how hard to enter indian markets
 
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India gives Huawei, ZTE one month to disclose ownership details
By Abhrajit Gangopadhyay, R. Jai Krishna, Romit Guha, Dow Jones Newswires
Friday 14 May 2010
Government insists security concerns over China-based companies are 'well founded'.

India has given Huawei Technologies Co. and ZTE Corp. one month to disclose full details of their ownership, concerned that foreign telecom equipment makers, mainly from China, are a national security threat as they can have spying technology embedded in their equipment.

The two Asian economic giants have long been suspicious of each other and fought a war in 1962. The recent dispute follows several attacks on Indian government websites that New Delhi blames on Chinese hackers.

"We have evidence that the two companies are owned by the PLA (People's Liberation Army) of China, and India's security concerns are well founded," the official, who asked not to be named, told Dow Jones Newswires late Thursday.

ZTE Telecom India Pvt. Ltd. Chairman and Managing Director D.K. Ghosh said Tuesday that officials from the company would meet India Home Secretary G.K. Pillai on Thursday to discuss matters regarding the purchase of telecom equipment from China.

Ghosh told reporters about the meeting after Indian telecom operators revealed that proposals to buy equipment from China were being routinely rejected by the government, despite the Department of Telecommunications, or DoT, saying there is no formal ban on Chinese telecom products.

While there is no official ban on purchases, Indian operators do need to get security clearance from the Ministry of Home Affairs before importing equipment from anywhere.

Last week, federal Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma said the restrictions are part of a broader policy and aren't specifically aimed at China.

Officials at ZTE Telecom India confirmed Friday that they met with Pillai, but they didn't elaborate on the discussions.

"We are not able to comment on any specific measures taken or contemplated. Huawei executives speak with the Indian government regularly and will continue to communicate the strong measures Huawei has put in place to ensure the deployment of high quality and secure networks for our customers in India and around the world...," said Ross Gan, global head of corporate communication at Huawei.
 
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"The "DM" or "Dual Mode" F6DM and F3DM both have a 1.0L gasoline engine combined with a 50kW motor and a 20kW power generator. Their 19.8kWh batteries alone are capable of running 100km, the company says. The FD6M initial cost? 50,000 yuan ($7,150) more expensive than the base model, so in total around 150,000 yuan (about US$21,500). Half the price of the Prius in China now."

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"Motor in BYD F3 DM
Left the 1 litre 50 kW gasoline engine, right the 50 kW electric engine. Above the engine controller."

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"The Household Charge Port and Quick Charge Port are seen on a F3DM electric vehicle. BYD F3DM, China’s first mass-produced electric vehicle by BYD Auto, is a gasoline-electric hybrid plug-in vehicle, using a small gasoline combustion engine to charge the car’s battery. When fully charged, it can run as far as 100 to 110 kilometers by electricity. (Photo by China Photos/Getty Images)"

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Car model/presenter at China automotive exhibition

China Business News: BYD to sell F3DM-model electric cars in Shanghai

"BYD to sell F3DM-model electric cars in Shanghai

Jul. 30, 2010 (China Knowledge) - China's largest rechargeable battery maker and a well-known automobile producer, is set to sell the F3DM hybrid vehicle to customers in Shanghai by the end of the month, the Shanghai Daily reported.

The F3DM, the world's first mass produced plug-in hybrid car model, is able to have a 60-kilometers drive on a single charge. The battery can be fully charged in seven hours at a household outlet, and semi-charged in 10 minutes at a professional one.

BYD may also raise the output target of F3DM this year in anticipation that the government's stimulus plan will boost sales, said an official within the company.

The Chinese government plans to invest RMB10 billion, to speed up the commercialization of new energy vehicles. It aims to have 500,000 green cars on the roads by 2012. Subsidies up to RMB60,000 will be granted for purchasing a new energy vehicle.

MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co, a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway Inc that is controlled by Warren Buffett, holds a 10% stake in BYD."
 
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I think a lot of people go to Chinese carshows just because of the Car models lol.
 
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@indian members
we don't need to throw mud at other when we are not producing anything marvalous,we need to learn to give respect where it is due..
please give respect and take respect..

I agree. Not to troll, But I must say we indeed are producing something good atleast in electric car industry. Reva is one of the leading electic car brands in Europe now.
 
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Hey i heard chinese car companies were going to enter india.Can sombdy confirm.

SAIC has a 50-50 joint venture with GM to enter the India market. Other companies probably have their plans as well.

Back on topic, electric vehicles won't solve the pollution problem in China when electricity itself is mostly generated from coal plants.

Still the government is spending a lot of money to promote electric vehicles. I think Shenzhen has already implemented a $10,000 cash rebate for anyone who buy an electric car. That will bring down the price of a full featured F3DM from $24,000 to $14,000, which is absolutely amazing value.
 
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