Chinese drones hunt Turkish drones in Libya air war
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Did Pakistan place an order for winglong 2 or not?Chinese drones hunt Turkish drones in Libya air war
- Experts say that strongman Khalifa Hifter has procured Chinese-made Wing Loong drones from his main backer, the United Arab Emirates
Agence France-Presse
Published: 12:49pm, 29 Sep, 2019
A Chinese Wing Loong II drone.
In Libya, where rival forces are deadlocked south of Tripoli, a months-long battle for the skies between Turkish and UAE drones has failed to break the stalemate, analysts say.
Since April 4, when eastern strongman Khalifa Hifter launched an offensive to capture Tripoli – the capital and seat of the UN-recognised Government of National Accord (GNA) – front lines have moved little.
Faced with a stand-off, the two sides have turned to sophisticated weaponry in the hope of gaining an advantage in a battle that has killed over 1,000, injured close to 6,000 and forced 120,000 people from their homes, according to UN figures.
Drones entered the military arena in June, despite a UN arms embargo on Libya in place since the 2011 revolt that overthrew the regime of Muammar Gaddafi.
“Given the intensive use of air assets in the first month of the offensive … most of the combat aircraft of the two air forces are grounded due to a lack of maintenance,” said defence analyst Arnaud Delalande.
“Not wanting to be left without air power, Haftar and the GNA seem to have turned urgently towards another type of craft: drones.”
At the end of July, UN envoy to Libya Ghassan Salame expressed concern about the widening “geographical scope of violence” with the increased use of air strikes.
Experts say that Haftar has procured Chinese-made Wing Loong drones from his main backer, the United Arab Emirates.
His rivals turned to Ankara, which is increasingly open about its support for the GNA, to equip themselves with Turkish Bayraktar drones.
Each side has since focused on trying to destroy their adversary’s drones and command centres.
Haftar’s forces have repeatedly carried out strikes on Mitiga airport, closing down Tripoli’s only remaining air link to the outside world, saying Turkish drones or their command centres were being targeted.
“This air war has become a direct engagement between the main sponsors of the LNA (Haftar’s self-styled Libyan National Army) and the GNA” – Abu Dhabi and Ankara, respectively, Delalande said.
Retired Libyan general Ahmad al-Hasnaoui said that drones were providing support to ground forces and playing “an important role in weakening (enemy) forces and supply lines”.
Libyan analyst Jalal al-Fitouri said both sides have intensified air raids against enemy drone bases since the end of June.
“The UAE’s Wing Loongs have been looking for the runways of the Bayraktar drones to destroy the GNA’s air power, but they haven’t succeeded,” Delalande said.
“The Turks have diversified their strategy by using roads to launch their drones and by spreading relay antennas over the entire area between Tripoli, Misrata and (the central district of) Jufra to extend the range of their drones,” he added.
But irrespective of whether Wing Loong or Bayraktar drones win the air war, “the drones are not an end in themselves” if ground forces don’t advance, Delalande said.
Faced with static front lines on the ground, the UN is encouraging the warring parties to relaunch a political process on hold since Haftar launched his offensive.
But Delalande believes “Haftar does not intend to negotiate” and thinks the air war can be won.
“He is pushing the United Arab Emirates to engage further. Air strikes from Mirages (jets belonging to the UAE air force) are not to be ruled out in the coming weeks,” Delalande warned.
Ankara, for its part, “no longer hides its support for Tripoli, without directly engaging its own air power,” he said.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/mid...nese-drones-hunt-turkish-drones-libya-air-war
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I guess US special forces buy Chinese drone despite ask not too, is for Xmas present this year?
Some loves to live in denial despite the obvious...
https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-military-still-buying-chinese-made-drones-despite-spying-concerns
Who is having the last laugh?
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As far as I know, no. But I think Pakistan were negotiating with Turkey for Anka-S. But it is not completed yet And this negatiations normally takes a lot time when You do that with Pakistan. (Smiley)
But I hope We will succeeded.
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Chinese civilian drone sector have impressive products without any doubt. DJI is the best but All costumers (almost) operating Chinese military drones are moaning for some problems. Iraqi drones having serious maintenance problem with them so only one of total 10 is being operated actively. Jordan put them up for sale with pointing out inferior performance. Egyptian members voiced similar problems but It is not expressed by any media organization yet. It is for sure that Chinese drones have a large volume in export markets and China is filling a big gap created by Western sources which issued ban for any likely transfer of armed drones so China reached such a big volume with ultra cheap and inferior armed drones. It seems UAE realized actual peformance of them and agreed to waste their drones in Libya which is being downed like fly.
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Chinese drones hunt Turkish drones in Libya air war
- Experts say that strongman Khalifa Hifter has procured Chinese-made Wing Loong drones from his main backer, the United Arab Emirates
Agence France-Presse
Published: 12:49pm, 29 Sep, 2019
A Chinese Wing Loong II drone.
In Libya, where rival forces are deadlocked south of Tripoli, a months-long battle for the skies between Turkish and UAE drones has failed to break the stalemate, analysts say.
Since April 4, when eastern strongman Khalifa Hifter launched an offensive to capture Tripoli – the capital and seat of the UN-recognised Government of National Accord (GNA) – front lines have moved little.
Faced with a stand-off, the two sides have turned to sophisticated weaponry in the hope of gaining an advantage in a battle that has killed over 1,000, injured close to 6,000 and forced 120,000 people from their homes, according to UN figures.
Drones entered the military arena in June, despite a UN arms embargo on Libya in place since the 2011 revolt that overthrew the regime of Muammar Gaddafi.
“Given the intensive use of air assets in the first month of the offensive … most of the combat aircraft of the two air forces are grounded due to a lack of maintenance,” said defence analyst Arnaud Delalande.
“Not wanting to be left without air power, Haftar and the GNA seem to have turned urgently towards another type of craft: drones.”
At the end of July, UN envoy to Libya Ghassan Salame expressed concern about the widening “geographical scope of violence” with the increased use of air strikes.
Experts say that Haftar has procured Chinese-made Wing Loong drones from his main backer, the United Arab Emirates.
His rivals turned to Ankara, which is increasingly open about its support for the GNA, to equip themselves with Turkish Bayraktar drones.
Each side has since focused on trying to destroy their adversary’s drones and command centres.
Haftar’s forces have repeatedly carried out strikes on Mitiga airport, closing down Tripoli’s only remaining air link to the outside world, saying Turkish drones or their command centres were being targeted.
“This air war has become a direct engagement between the main sponsors of the LNA (Haftar’s self-styled Libyan National Army) and the GNA” – Abu Dhabi and Ankara, respectively, Delalande said.
Retired Libyan general Ahmad al-Hasnaoui said that drones were providing support to ground forces and playing “an important role in weakening (enemy) forces and supply lines”.
Libyan analyst Jalal al-Fitouri said both sides have intensified air raids against enemy drone bases since the end of June.
“The UAE’s Wing Loongs have been looking for the runways of the Bayraktar drones to destroy the GNA’s air power, but they haven’t succeeded,” Delalande said.
“The Turks have diversified their strategy by using roads to launch their drones and by spreading relay antennas over the entire area between Tripoli, Misrata and (the central district of) Jufra to extend the range of their drones,” he added.
But irrespective of whether Wing Loong or Bayraktar drones win the air war, “the drones are not an end in themselves” if ground forces don’t advance, Delalande said.
Faced with static front lines on the ground, the UN is encouraging the warring parties to relaunch a political process on hold since Haftar launched his offensive.
But Delalande believes “Haftar does not intend to negotiate” and thinks the air war can be won.
“He is pushing the United Arab Emirates to engage further. Air strikes from Mirages (jets belonging to the UAE air force) are not to be ruled out in the coming weeks,” Delalande warned.
Ankara, for its part, “no longer hides its support for Tripoli, without directly engaging its own air power,” he said.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/mid...nese-drones-hunt-turkish-drones-libya-air-war
I still don't know who is fighting who and for what.
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I guess the UAE and saudi sees a new dictator in haftar and thus supporting him. The GCC mostly prefers dealing with dictators in middle east. Democracy near and around GCC can spread and create problems for monarchies.
No proof and spread fake lies. Jordan put up Chinese drone for sale with the reason well-explained from my previous post above. With US pressure Jordan and give them billions dollar aid plus promise of reaper drone sale to them. They will of cos follow their US master to ditch Chinese drone. Nothing to do with quality but a political decision.
Iraq and Egypt Chinese drone problem are nothing but fabrication. Prove it with facts and link but not fantasy of your own. Chinese even just manage to close another big deal with Serbia for UCAV. While Turkey? LOL...
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Jordan, wants to sell this brand new drones, let say You are right And this is political, What about Iraq? Only 1 of 10 UCAV's is operational for god sake... And I dont wanna even talk about how one of wing loong's crashed during trials in Pakistan (one of pakistani guys even write that PAK didnt like it anyway because UCAV has optic problems And crash easly... is this All coincidence? Did You even heard this kind of problems about Ukraine or Qatar who posses Turkish UCAVS?
Like it or not this is the truth.
As I say, back your fact about Iraq Chinese drone problem with credible link and article. You are fabricating lies. Is that all you capable of?
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ssion-capable-as-other-buyers-give-up-on-them
Or, https://www.janes.com/article/90336/us-led-coalition-says-only-one-iraqi-ch-4-uav-fully-operable
Now, I am sure You will tell me ''this is false! This other problem is false too!'' But this is the TRUTH.
LOL... Indeed false. This report is from US defense assessment about Iraq defense. How truth can it be? Its not even credible. First it claim Iraq CH-4B got maintenance problem but then it can't point out what problem is that. Iraq has ended the ISIS war. You think Iraqi still keen on full maintenance of these drone? During the height of ISIS war, Iraq CH-4B drone sorties is almost none stop, we have seen nothing but perfect score of strike and sorties from Iraq AF.
If so many problem exist. Why Saudi, UAE and Egypt still buy them? Same as Serbia. You think they are brainless and cant make correct judgement?
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/serbia-to-buy-chinese-uavs-452175/
Interesting how what is written as science fiction twenty years ago now forms a core part of irregular warfare.
Unless the Chinese put the Ty-90 on their drones they cant shoot down the Turk assets and vice versa.
Both sides are essentially groping in the dark since without radar coverage its a matter of constant surveillance and mapping in finding the other side.
Unless the Chinese put the Ty-90 on their drones they cant shoot down the Turk assets and vice versa.
Both sides are essentially groping in the dark since without radar coverage its a matter of constant surveillance and mapping in finding the other side.
