Chinese Dissident Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

[huzihaidao12]

In fact, there is a good comment in the Chinese BBS, if you are West get Nobel Peace Prize, it was a Western official, non-western if you get Nobel Peace Prize, it was anti-government members. At a glance.

 

[challenger]

It's your own opinion, I don't think most of the other people will agree with that.If it was true then why his supporting political party failed in the elections?
Musharraf's Indian visit was a failure.
I agree with your one Part "Democracy doesn't work for every nation"

What matters to a modern nation state is its Constitution. The Constitution of any modern nation state reflects its character. Administering more than one billion people in a big country like China is not a matter of joke. China's govt is able to administer the nation because of the Constitution in which every PRC citizen has trust. No body is above the law in China, neither the party nor the people. The PRC Constitution is by the people, for the people and of the people. Thats why we hear reports where top govt official gets charged for corruption. PRC is a country ruled by law.

The guy Liu has an agenda that goes against the Constitution. He violated the Constitution and that is a criminal offence. The judiciary has handed him the verdict. Now, even Premiere Wen does not have any extra judicial rights to release him, because that will also violate the Constitution. This supremacy of Constitutional rights and duties makes China a sovereign nation state. No matter how much Obama and his allies keep barking, the law will take its own course.

Have a look at the fundamental constitutional rights and duties of any citizen in PRC.

CHAPTER II. THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF CITIZENS

Article 33. All persons holding the nationality of the People's Republic of China are citizens of the People's Republic of China. All citizens of the People's Republic of China are equal before the law. Every citizen enjoys the rights and at the same time must perform the duties prescribed by the Constitution and the law.

Article 34. All citizens of the People's Republic of China who have reached the age of 18 have the right to vote and stand for election, regardless of nationality, race, ***, occupation, family background, religious belief, education, property status, or length of residence, except persons deprived of political rights according to law.

Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.

Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief. No state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in, any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one may make use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the educational system of the state. Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination.

Article 37. The freedom of person of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable. No citizen may be arrested except with the approval or by decision of a people's procuratorate or by decision of a people's court, and arrests must be made by a public security organ. Unlawful deprivation or restriction of citizens' freedom of person by detention or other means is prohibited; and unlawful search of the person of citizens is prohibited. Article 38. The personal dignity of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable. Insult, libel, false charge or frame-up directed against citizens by any means is prohibited.

Article 39. The home of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable. Unlawful search of, or intrusion into, a citizen's home is prohibited.

Article 40. The freedom and privacy of correspondence of citizens of the People's Republic of China are protected by law. No organization or individual may, on any ground, infringe upon the freedom and privacy of citizens' correspondence except in cases where, to meet the needs of state security or of investigation into criminal offences, public security or procuratorial organs are permitted to censor correspondence in accordance with procedures prescribed by law.

Article 41. Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the right to criticize and make suggestions to any state organ or functionary. Citizens have the right to make to relevant state organs complaints and charges against, or exposures of, violation of the law or dereliction of duty by any state organ or functionary; but fabrication or distortion of facts with the intention of libel or frame-up is prohibited. In case of complaints, charges or exposures made by citizens, the state organ concerned must deal with them in a responsible manner after ascertaining the facts. No one may suppress such complaints, charges and exposures, or retaliate against the citizens making them. Citizens who have suffered losses through infringement of their civil rights by any state organ or functionary have the right to compensation in accordance with the law.

Article 42. Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the right as well as the duty to work. Using various channels, the state creates conditions for employment, strengthens labour protection, improves working conditions and, on the basis of expanded production, increases remuneration for work and social benefits. Work is the glorious duty of every able-bodied citizen. All working people in state enterprises and in urban and rural economic collectives should perform their tasks with an attitude consonant with their status as masters of the country. The state promotes socialist labour emulation, and commends and rewards model and advanced workers. The state encourages citizens to take part in voluntary labour. The state provides necessary vocational training to citizens before they are employed.

Article 43. Working people in the People's Republic of China have the right to rest. The state expands facilities for rest and recuperation of working people, and prescribes working hours and vacations for workers and staff.

Article 44. The state prescribes by law the system of retirement for workers and staff in enterprises and undertakings and for functionaries of organs of state. The livelihood of retired personnel is ensured by the state and society.

Article 45. Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the right to material assistance from the state and society when they are old, ill or disabled. The state develops the social insurance, social relief and medical and health services that are required to enable citizens to enjoy this right. The state and society ensure the livelihood of disabled members of the armed forces, provide pensions to the families of martyrs and give preferential treatment to the families of military personnel. The state and society help make arrangements for the work, livelihood and education of the blind, deaf-mute and other handicapped citizens.

Article 46. Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the duty as well as the right to receive education. The state promotes the all-round moral, intellectual and physical development of children and young people.

Article 47. Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the freedom to engage in scientific research, literary and artistic creation and other cultural pursuits. The state encourages and assists creative endeavours conducive to the interests of the people made by citizens engaged in education, science, technology, literature, art and other cultural work.

Article 48. Women in the People's Republic of China enjoy equal rights with men in all spheres of life, political, economic, cultural and social, and family life. The state protects the rights and interests of women, applies the principle of equal pay for equal work for men and women alike and trains and selects cadres from among women.

Article 49. Marriage, the family, and mother and child are protected by the state. Both husband and wife have the duty to practise family planning. Parents have the duty to rear and educate their minor children, and children who have come of age have the duty to support and assist their parents. Violation of the freedom of marriage is prohibited. Maltreatment of old people, women and children is prohibited.

Article 50. The People's Republic of China protects the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese nationals residing abroad and protects the lawful rights and interests of returned overseas Chinese and of the family members of Chinese nationals residing abroad.

Article 51. The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state, of society and of the collective, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens.

Article 52. It is the duty of citizens of the People's Republic of China to safeguard the unity of the country and the unity of all its nationalities.

Article 53. Citizens of the People's Republic of China must abide by the constitution and the law, keep state secrets, protect public property and observe labour discipline and public order and respect social ethics.

Article 54. It is the duty of citizens of the People's Republic of China to safeguard the security, honour and interests of the motherland; they must not commit acts detrimental to the security, honour and interests of the motherland.

Article 55. It is the sacred obligation of every citizen of the People's Republic of China to defend the motherland and resist aggression. It is the honourable duty of citizens of the People's Republic of China to perform military service and join the militia in accordance with the law.

Article 56. It is the duty of citizens of the People's Republic of China to pay taxes in accordance with the law.

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If you have not been to the PRC, if you have not attended any court hearing in PRC, then you should come to the PRC and visit the courts.

The guy Liu violated Article 54 posing serious threats to China's national security and territorial integrity. Such criminal must be dealt according to the law.

That guy is a colonial agent.

In a 1988 interview with Hong Kong's Liberation Monthly (now known as Open Magazine), Liu was asked what it would take for China to realize a true historical transformation. He replied in this way: "(It would take) 300 years of colonialism. In 100 years of colonialism, Hong Kong has changed to what we see today. With China being so big, of course it would take 300 years of colonialism for it to be able to transform into how Hong Kong is today. I have my doubts as to whether 300 years would be enough."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Xiaobo


Now, if the govt releases him, Chinese people will turn against the Govt because any early release of such criminal is a gross violation of the Constitution. Chinese govt must maintain China's sovereign status.

 

[muse]

It is time for China to start getting political reform, Chinese Style or Any Style!

To be fair China has been getting political reform since Deng came to power - not fast, not reckless, but economic progress will go together with political reform - today everybody thinks that China has made a great deal of economic progress but truth is that for such a large country, and if we are to be fair, we must grant that everything in China is of such a huge scale, that much, much more economic progress and much much more disposable income has to be created, for greater political reforms.

Of course, some think that reforms must come sooner, even now, but slow and steady makes more sense because it brings stability and stability is necessary for greater economic progress, not just for China but for the role it has to play in the world.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Rest assured that this is a good thing for the CCP, because he can get more support from the people. This is a good thing for people, so we can better see the world.

 

[huzihaidao12]

The intention to award Mr Liu was to draw attention to the matter of political dissidents in China.

The Americans you mention are in no danger of being prosecuted by the American Government. Treatment of political dissidents in America is not an issue.

Sorry, other dogs, ah, dissidents have raised objections to the award, ah, bonuses.


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美國‧中國流亡海外民運份子‧發公開信反對劉曉波得獎
國際 2010-10-08 18:50

今屆諾貝爾和平獎得主熱門：（左）阿富汗女權運動者薩瑪爾、中國異見人士劉曉波（中），以及世界維吾爾大會主席熱比婭。不過劉曉波脫穎而出。（圖：法新社）
（美國‧紐約8日訊）就在全球各界看好由中國異見人士劉曉波奪下諾貝爾和平獎寶座之際，有10多名因推動中國民主活動而被迫流亡海外的人士，集體發表公開信反對劉曉波取得諾貝爾和平獎。

他們同時揭露，此前曾曝光的《呼吁頒諾貝爾和平獎給劉曉波》公開信，竟是發起人盜用他人姓名所進行的連署活動。

《紐約時報》週四報導，在這封周二發表的“反對劉曉波獲諾貝爾和平獎”公開信中，包括曾在六四民運期間向毛澤東遺像丟雞蛋而入獄16年的“天安門三君子”之一的魯德成，與在六四運動中被流放貴州的袁紅冰等14人皆連署。

指劉不具備“道德形象”

信中以劉曉波在六四事件後曾公開為中共當局的武力鎮壓進行辯解，去年入獄後更曾發表公開信稱讚中國監獄內待遇等對權力屈服的態度與行徑，說明劉曉波並不具備諾貝爾和平獎得主所應具備的“道德形象”。

公開信主要聯絡人、目前任教於英國倫敦大學學院的許毅說：“他（指劉曉波）的行為是為自己謀名利，在關鍵的時刻表現軟弱，沒有辦法成為楷模。”

他並指：“若他真的得獎，那真是像吞下一隻蒼蠅這麼噁心。”

對於外界質疑公開信是否為中國當局打手，目的在避免劉曉波獲獎，許毅則表示：“你看我們這些連署人，全都是當局的眼中釘，現在只是都不希望他（指劉曉波）得獎，但兩者間沒有任何關係。”

 

[below_freezing]

[报价= scrumpy; 1189585]的意图奖刘先生是提请注意在中国持不同政见者的问题。

你提到的美国人在没有被美国政府起诉的危险。在美国持不同政见者的治疗是不是一个问题。[/报价]

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美國‧中國流亡海外民運份子‧發公開信反對劉曉波得獎
國際 2010-10-08 18:50

今屆諾貝爾和平獎得主熱門：（左）阿富汗女權運動者薩瑪爾、中國異見人士劉曉波（中），以及世界維吾爾大會主席熱比婭。不過劉曉波脫穎而出。（圖：法新社）
（美國‧紐約8日訊）就在全球各界看好由中國異見人士劉曉波奪下諾貝爾和平獎寶座之際，有10多名因推動中國民主活動而被迫流亡海外的人士，集體發表公開信反對劉曉波取得諾貝爾和平獎。

他們同時揭露，此前曾曝光的《呼吁頒諾貝爾和平獎給劉曉波》公開信，竟是發起人盜用他人姓名所進行的連署活動。

《紐約時報》週四報導，在這封周二發表的“反對劉曉波獲諾貝爾和平獎”公開信中，包括曾在六四民運期間向毛澤東遺像丟雞蛋而入獄16年的“天安門三君子”之一的魯德成，與在六四運動中被流放貴州的袁紅冰等14人皆連署。

指劉不具備“道德形象”

信中以劉曉波在六四事件後曾公開為中共當局的武力鎮壓進行辯解，去年入獄後更曾發表公開信稱讚中國監獄內待遇等對權力屈服的態度與行徑，說明劉曉波並不具備諾貝爾和平獎得主所應具備的“道德形象”。

公開信主要聯絡人、目前任教於英國倫敦大學學院的許毅說：“他（指劉曉波）的行為是為自己謀名利，在關鍵的時刻表現軟弱，沒有辦法成為楷模。”

他並指：“若他真的得獎，那真是像吞下一隻蒼蠅這麼噁心。”

對於外界質疑公開信是否為中國當局打手，目的在避免劉曉波獲獎，許毅則表示：“你看我們這些連署人，全都是當局的眼中釘，現在只是都不希望他（指劉曉波）得獎，但兩者間沒有任何關係。”



Sorry, other dogs, ah, dissidents have raised objections to the award, ah, bonuses.

哈哈哈 我笑得都站不起来了~ 连其他的民* 运* 垃圾都瞧不起小刘，他在中国人的眼中还有什么威信可言？连狗都嫌他败坏了狗的名誉。

 

[below_freezing]

Well, I don't think reform will be on the agenda anytime soon, not after this huge slap on the face for Mr.Wen.

The pro status quo elements in the party will sure seize upon on this to discredit reformers.

doesn't matter to most people. the track we're on is not the best, far from it, but it is acceptable - it's at least better than 19th century britain or early 20th century US which went through disease, major wars, colonization, financial crisis and imperialism. in our progress, we've avoided:

cholera and other infectious disease, thanks to developing after sanitation and modern drugs were invented.

major wars, thanks to the leadership realizing that the age of aggressive conquest is over.

colonization, see above.

financial crisis, for good economic planning

and imperialism, see above.

 

[Chinapak]

Chinese Dissident Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

BEIJING — Liu Xiaobo, an impassioned literary critic, political essayist and democracy advocate repeatedly jailed by the Chinese government for his writings, won the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in recognition of his pursuit of nonviolent political reform in the world’s most populous country.


Pro-democracy activists held pictures of Liu Xiaobo in Hong Kong in 2009.

Mr. Liu, 54, perhaps China’s best known dissident, is currently serving an 11-year term on charges of “inciting the subversion of state power.”

He is the first Chinese citizen to win the Peace Prize.

In awarding the prize to Mr. Liu, the Norwegian Nobel Committee delivered an unmistakable rebuke to Beijing’s authoritarian leaders at a time of growing intolerance for domestic dissent and spreading unease internationally over the muscular diplomacy that has accompanied China’s economic rise.

In a move that in retrospect appears to have been counterproductive, a senior Chinese official recently warned the Norwegian committee’s chairman that giving the prize to Mr. Liu would adversely affect relations between the two countries.

Although there was no immediate response to news out of Oslo, where the prize was announced, the Chinese government in recent weeks has not been shy in describing Mr. Liu as unworthy of such an accolade. “This person was sentenced to jail because he violated Chinese law,” a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said last week.

Liu Xia, his wife, said it unlikely her husband would immediately learn of the news because he has no access to a telephone.

The prize is enormous boost for China’s beleaguered reform movement and an affirmation of the two decades Mr. Liu has spent advocating peaceful political change in the face of unremitting hostility from the ruling Chinese Community Party. Blacklisted from academia and barred from publishing in China, Mr. Liu has been harassed and detained repeatedly since 1989, when he stepped into the drama playing out on Tiananmen Square by staging a hunger strike and then negotiating the peaceful retreat of student demonstrators as thousands of soldiers stood by with rifles at the ready.

“If not for the work of Liu and the others to broker a peaceful withdrawal from the square, Tiananmen Square would have been a field of blood on June 4,” said Gao Yu, a veteran journalist who was arrested in the hours before the tanks began moving through the city.

His most recent arrest in December of 2008 came a day before a reformist manifesto he helped craft began circulating on the Internet. The petition, entitled Charter ‘08, demanded that China’s rulers embrace human rights, judicial independence and the kind of political reform that would ultimately end the Communist Party’s monopoly on power.

“For all these years, Liu Xiaobo has persevered in telling the truth about China and because of this, for the fourth time, he has lost his personal freedom,” his wife, Liu Xia, said earlier this week.

Given his detention, it is unclear how Mr. Liu would take possession of the prize, which includes a gold medal, a diploma and the equivalent of $1.46 million.

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I cant say if he was the best candidate for the prize but I am sure as hell that China wont be happy. Interesting to see how the Chinese govt. responds.

The Chinese Government or its PR or Foreign Affairs Spokesman must not fall into this trap laid by Western powers. If China make a big issue of it like suspending trade or cancelling relations with Norway etc, China will again be targeted as the evil country. The only thing to do is for China to remain silent and say nothing so that Western Powers would be more frustrated by China's calmness. Chinese are known for their peaceful nature and hard work, so China must not fall into Western provocations. Let the Western powers give plenty of prizes to all dissidents. Let the Western powers beat the drum of hate and evil against China and Chinese, this would never prevent China become the next World Power. Western powers are declining and they are fearful and jealous of the rising powers of China and Chinese people. This is the reality and human rights are just another tool to target China. The West must not forget who are killing, rioting, murdering, etc in their cities and suburbs, its certainly not the Chinese people or China.

 

[warkuo]

Talk about dignity? Why don't the CCP government everyone equal chance to express their dignity. I am pretty sure that's BS

 

[challenger]

Talk about dignity? Why don't the CCP government everyone equal chance to express their dignity. I am pretty sure that's BS

Your English is not like a white man's English. Who are you?

 

[liqf860212]

中国的民主化，自由化进程不是一个零八宣章能解决的。需要时间。

 

[Hussein]

In fact, there is a good comment in the Chinese BBS, if you are West get Nobel Peace Prize, it was a Western official, non-western if you get Nobel Peace Prize, it was anti-government members. At a glance.

this is bullshit

And Arafat?
such a joke with such fake statements

 

[huzihaidao12]

this is bullshit

And Arafat?
such a joke with such fake statements

Do not catch every detail. Moreover, strictly speaking, Arafat is the European interests, he is not a non-Western.

 

[Hussein]

Do not catch every detail. Moreover, strictly speaking, Arafat is the European interests, he is not a non-Western.

what a joke

 

[huzihaidao12]

what a joke

You have no idea of conflicting interests in the Middle East. International game.