Chinese cars 'still below par'

[sweetgrape]

BS.

Car Manufacturing is the epitome of country's industrial level.

If you can make good cars, you have crossed an industrial threshold.



India is better than China in Car Manufacturing.

Indian made Cars, be it by Indian Companies or Foreign Companies is much much Better than China.

So, indian industry is better than china?
Don't say shallow word, show the real proof, OK, and don't make comment after drinking some gange river!

The ultimate benchmark of how Successful you as a group are is at the Civilizational Level.

Artificial Countries find solace in Per Capita Income, Literacy Rate, etc.

If these benchmarks are to be counted, why wouldn't we do it on a compounded basis since eternity.

Will give the correct idea!



It has already been proven when compared in matured markets.

Which matured market are you talking about? USA, Japan, Britain, Or "Indian"?
Don't include landrover into indian car industry, just like, although Geely has bought VOLVO, VOLVO don't belong china car industry!

 

[gslv mk3]

Few Information About Indian Auto Sector

1. India's passenger car and commercial vehicle manufacturing industry is the sixth largest in the world, with an annual production of more than 3.9 million units in 2011.

2. In 2010, India beat Thailand to become Asia's third largest exporter of passenger cars.

3. As of 2010, India is home to 40 million passenger vehicles. More than 3.7 million automotive vehicles were produced in India in 2010 (an increase of 33.9%), making the country the second (after China) fastest growing automobile market in the world in that year.

4. India's automobile exports have grown consistently and reached $4.5 billion in 2009, with United Kingdom being India's largest export market followed by Italy, Germany, Netherlands and South Africa. India's automobile exports are expected to cross $12 billion by 2014

5. India, is the second largest producer of two-wheelers in the world. In the last few years, the Indian two-wheeler industry has seen spectacular growth.


6. According to New York Times, India's strong engineering base and expertise in the manufacturing of low-cost, fuel-efficient cars has resulted in the expansion of manufacturing facilities of several automobile companies like Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota, Volkswagen and Maruti Suzuki

 

[Goodbye!]

Great wall sold 30k vehicle in Australia since June July 2009 to 2013 April. Its one of the fastest growing brands, outgrowing the pace when korean vehicle first hit down under. I often see great walls around Sydney, I rarely ever seen a mahindra (since 2007). Both make 4 x4 utes.

The general consensus is Great wall is better in the city, and Mahindra is better in the country. The real test will be how they match up and catch up with the likes of Nissan, Toyota and Holden in the coming years. From the Australian perspective both Indian and Chinese utes are in the same bracket- how do you decide whether to go for a 2nd hand mainstream or a 1st hand Indian/Chinese ute? If they can make a dent in that second hand ute market that would be a significant win for both the Asian manufacturers.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

First of all, Jaguar and Land Rover are not ultra premium but just upper middle class cars. Ultra premium would be RR, Bentley and Bugatti, all owned by German companies.

Our car companies have been making M&A for decades now and we are aware of the situation of our market, that's why we have been investing in all major markets with factories and brand aquisition.

Don't try to teach a German how the car industry works. We are not for nothing the benchmark of the car industry in all aspects!

you have NO IDEA about how a business works do you? Product portfolio decisions are not taken with your head stuck up in your @$$. The way you're ranting 'high end, high end', it's supposed to mean something- IT DOES NOT. Business decisions are more pragmatic, if a large market with lower priced products is more profitable, they'll go for that; if a small market with ultra high end models makes more profitable, they'll go for that. If you're trying to say that owning Bentley and RR is supposed prove something- IT DOES NOT. Fact, in the most profitable product lines on this planet- high & medium end sedan and high & medium end hatch, the Koreans are beating the shist out of VW. Owning Bentley and RR don't mean a thing if you can't get your Golfs, your Polos, Ventos, Jettas right.

You're no longer the benchmark for cars- the Koreans are. And they're not losing any sleep over not owning RR & Bentley. Many of these brands have frequently run into losses and have needed rescuing. Even Jaguar and Land rover was on the verge of Bankrutpcy, but since they were good aqcuisitions in saturated markets, made sense for Tata to pick it up.

PS- try SELLING these brands you're bragging about and see how many ppl line up

 

[Banana]

So, indian industry is better than china?
Don't say shallow word, show the real proof, OK, and don't make comment after drinking some gange river!

Ad Hominem over Ad Hominem!

Check the first few pages.

First drive: Australia

Inside, there are ample storage pockets in the doors and dash. The quality is a bit iffy, but generally it was a notch above the build quality of Chinese-made cars.

 

[Banana]

First of all, Jaguar and Land Rover are not ultra premium but just upper middle class cars. Ultra premium would be RR, Bentley and Bugatti, all owned by German companies.

They are supercars.

Ultra Luxury are Range Rover, Jaguar and Mercedes.

Rest are Luxury Cars like Audi, BMW, etc.

Premium Cars are $30,000+ but marquees like Lexus, Infiniti, Cadillac.

And Yeah Bentley is coming Downmarket to compete with the 2013 Range Rover.

LR said they will make an Ultra Range Rover to go head on head with Bentley.

So JLR is a notch above BMW, Benz and Mercedes.

 

[walle]

The general consensus is Great wall is better in the city, and Mahindra is better in the country. The real test will be how they match up and catch up with the likes of Nissan, Toyota and Holden in the coming years. From the Australian perspective both Indian and Chinese utes are in the same bracket- how do you decide whether to go for a 2nd hand mainstream or a 1st hand Indian/Chinese ute? If they can make a dent in that second hand ute market that would be a significant win for both the Asian manufacturers.

Not really... Most gw owners of 4x4 are in the country, just visit the gw owners forums. Tradies in the city uses gw utes.
The sales figures are published every month, gw is about 15 - 19 th place, anywhere between 600 - 900 a month sold. Mahindra is nowhere to be found and the manhindra owned saangyong sells about 100 cars a months.

Gw has also announced 3 more models for the Australian market, including its first 5 star Ancap rated vehicle. I have yet to see the new mahindra suv on the road.

 

[Bobby]

Chinese cars are cheap in every thing

 

[gslv mk3]

Mahindra have launched XV 500 in australia

 

[Goodbye!]

K, but other Indian forumers may have them at hand, or else all your bragging are nothing but hot air. Chinese forumers have already posted stats for their car industry.

No stats = hot air

Before you dismiss anything as hot air, have a lookey here:

Sober Look: China's export figures: fudging or currency trading?
China Money Network − April's Strong Exports Fuel Skepticism Over Chinese Trade Statistics - Tune in for China's Financial Markets and Investment Opportunities
China opens new front in war as yuan speculation distorts export data
China Exports Miss Forecasts as

You do realise that the numbers offered by the Chinese members themselves may be shady? With fudged data we have no contest.

In India there are no Chinese cars selling and for Indian manufacturers China must be a tough market to break in. EU/US manufacturers have the distinct advantage of a 100 year headstart in reputation here.

 

[sweetgrape]

Ad Hominem over Ad Hominem!

Check the first few pages.

First drive: Australia

This is your so-called "proof", Ok, You win, hehe, keep it!!!

 

[gslv mk3]

XUV 500 for you

 

[ice bomb]

The ultimate benchmark of how Successful you as a group are is at the Civilizational Level.

How interesting, how about you open a new thread and explain to us mortals what this "civilizational level" is. I take it is not something you picked up from the Civilization 6?

Artificial Countries find solace in Per Capita Income, Literacy Rate, etc.

A new word! Artificial countries. How about you open a new thread and explain about that and which countries are "artificial". In the mean time do explain what "real country" you are coming from who dont care about those silly things as per capital income, education level and literacy rate.

If these benchmarks are to be counted, why wouldn't we do it on a compounded basis since eternity.

Ehh, it is called UN Human Development Index measuring health, education and living standards among other things.But since you coming from a "real country", I assume you never heard about it.
Indices & Data | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

 

[sweetgrape]

XUV 500 for you

You keep it, for me, the XUV is ugly, And, like you don't trust chinese car, I don't trust indian products, till now, I don't use any indian products, hehe!!!

H6

H2

H7

GX7

S5

X80

CS35

 

[Goodbye!]

Our market might be saturated but still bigger than your market of 1.2 b.

And our car companies are well positioned in every region of the world including having factories in all the main markets. What we keep here are the high-end products. Volkswagen alone has a revenue of almost 10 % of India's GDP.

BTW, I bet that you all would brag 24/7 for months to come if any of your brands would even crack 1 % of our market.

Hold on to your thoughts just a bit longer, time will make you irrelevant. We will overtake you and soon!

If you are so great a market, why are your own car companies looking out when they think growth?

Also when you say you are larger car market than India are you counting German cars sold in India and elsewhere also as your market?

We are selling a lot of Mercs, Audis and BMWs in the cities, but it is nowhere close to even 1% of the Indian car market.