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China’s women still waiting for an end to getting groped on public transport

Why to generalise few incidents
When 42% of surveyed women are saying they have been groped, thats a pattern and not incidences. When some woman has been groped countless time over 10 years, thats a pattern and not an incidence.

Speaking of public health issue, your psychiatrist lets you use the internet at the ward? Curious to why you are so interested in groping issues in China when over 230k reported cases of sexual assaults annually in US alone. Is it some weird fetish of yours? You should really tell the psychiatry ward staff about these thoughts.
I am neither US citizen nor based out of US. May be @Hamartia Antidote can help you.

I am interested in China because on this very forum, China has been sold to unsuspecting Pakistani as a land of purity, justice, honey, milk and cookies. About time someone show the bloody Chinese that they are a 'effed up bunch of people.

Lastly, all these bloody perverted Chinese show up in MY COUNTRY seeking PR and citizenship. I don't see things happening the other way round. I call trash, trash when I see it.
 
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Glorious Han Chinese busy with their national past time : Groping women on public transport.

@TruthTheOnlyDefense @Mista

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...l-waiting-end-getting-groped-public-transport

  • Priority carriages on underground trains have not solved the problem of sexual harassment for female passengers

The first time Wanda was groped by a man on a Beijing bus she was a college student, travelling to school in her gym uniform on a summer’s day. Ten years – and numerous examples of sexual harassment on public transport – later, she is still haunted by the memory.

Now 31, Wanda – who asked to be identified only by her first name – remembers every detail of the incident. The bus was not crowded but the man, who appeared to be in his 40s, went straight over to stand uncomfortably close to her.

Then, he pressed himself tightly against her and began making a thrusting motion with his lower body. Wanda said she froze, terrified by the encounter and unsure how to act. Just then, the bus took a sharp turn, the man was thrown aside and she quickly moved away. “Afterwards, for a period, I looked at every adult man I saw as if he was aggressive,” she said.

Since then, Wanda says she has been flashed at in public and, just last year, was forced to block a man with her purse when he tried to touch her leg on a train.

Wanda’s experience is not unusual but attempts to address the problem of sexual harassment on public transport in China have met with mixed results, as well as claims by feminists that they are restrictive to women.


Two major cities in southern China, for example, introduced
priority carriages for women
on their underground trains in 2017.
Shenzhen
and Guangzhou, both in Guangdong province, established two designated carriages – one at each end of the train – during peak times.

The carriages are decorated with pink stickers which say, in Chinese and English, “priority carriages for women” and, while
men are not barred from using them
, they are encouraged to leave them to women passengers.

While the authorities did not specifically say they were intended to prevent sexual harassment – saying only that the scheme was meant to “give more care and respect to women” – the carriages followed a precedent set by Japan and Europe for that reason.

Shenzhen is currently mulling an update to its priority carriages with an amended law designating them for people with disabilities and minors, as well as women, and only during rush hour. Other passengers who do not meet these criteria can be asked to leave by rail staff.

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A priority carriage for women on the Shenzhen underground system. Photo: Phoebe Zhang

But, in reality, the restrictions on the priority carriages are seldom enforced and have been used by men since their launch. Furthermore, feminists say the scheme is a form of segregation, rather than an attempt to solve the cause of the issue.

One reason the priority carriages have failed in their purpose could be the size of the crowds using public transport each day. According to government data, there are roughly five million passenger trips on the Shenzhen underground every day and eight million in Guangzhou.

It is also hard for staff to enforce the regulation. “When it first came out, subway staff vehemently advocated for women to use it, so many people did,” said Zhang Ying, a piano teacher in Guangzhou. Staff would hold loud speakers and gesture for women to get on the priority carriages. But now, everybody just treats it like an ordinary carriage, she said.

Zhang said she now rarely uses the priority carriages because of the inconvenience of having to walk all the way to the end of the train.

Feminists have opposed the scheme from the start. “The logic behind the scheme is wrong to begin with,” said Xiao Meili, a Guangzhou-based feminist. “When noticing the dangers women face in public spaces, women call for convenience in all areas, but [the government] only wants to draw you a little corner to play in, signalling they still will neglect you in most places.”

Xiao said the scheme was restricting women’s space, even though it may appear friendly and loving on the surface. “Most of the sexual harassers and rapists are men, so wouldn’t it be more effective to put these offenders in a limited space?” she asked.

A survey conducted by a group of feminists in Shenzhen at the end of 2017 showed that, out of 443 people, 33.9 per cent had been harassed on public transport. Of the female interviewees, 42 per cent were harassed, while only 6.1 per cent of the men who responded reported harassment.

Most of the interviewees were dissatisfied with the police response and 64.9 per cent believed police should be most responsible for handling sexual harassment in public.

Xiao and others have repeatedly written to government representatives about sexual harassment on public transport. In 2016, Xiao’s feminist group received 40,000 yuan (US$5,650) in public donations – just enough to buy an advertisement slot.

For two years, Xiao and her group tried to put up anti-harassment billboards in Guangzhou and Shenzhen underground systems. They were repeatedly blocked by the authorities in both cities who said the advertisement would “cause panic in public”.

Since then, however, in 2018 Xiao’s group have spotted advertisements in the underground services of Beijing, Shanghai and Chengdu, some placed by news organisations and others by local governments. One advertisement in Chengdu, put up by rail officials, read “there’s no groping hand here” with a panda icon. In Beijing, one advertisement says “prevent sexual harassment, be vocal”.

Xiao said she was happy to see these changes, but described the current policy of updating the carriages in Shenzhen as an example of “lazy politics”. There needed to be more than a pink bumper sticker on carriage windows, she said. Instead, policymakers needed to think about the actual mechanisms of stopping harassment and how to handle the culprits once they were caught.

“Women do not demand special care as if they are a soft and weak group,” Xiao said. “They demand the safety they deserve and the right to travel conveniently.”
'SCMP? Its not even reliable when comes to report of things in China due to its anti-China view. If it make you feel good to malign China, go ahead.

I doubt this woman ever exist. It just make up to slander China. PRC/Chinese woman are some of the most vocal/fierce. They will slap and beat up molester if ever occurs in public transport system and the public and police will spare no effort in detain real offender.

 
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I am neither US citizen nor based out of US. May be @Hamartia

Not sure of the groping stats..but there are perverts all over the world. I'm not going to say it never happens.

'SCMP? Its not even reliable when comes to report of things in China due to its anti-China view. If it make you feel good to malign China, go ahead.

Yeah, just do the normal...it's a false conspiracy against China.
From Xinhua 2 years ago....so not beyond the realm of possibility

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/22/c_136546850.htm
Chinese public calls for harsher sexual harassment penalties

BEIJING, Aug. 22 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese public has called for harsher punishment for those found guilty of sexual harassment, according to a recent survey.

The China Youth Daily research showed that of 2,023 people surveyed, 71.5 percent wanted harsher punishment for people committing sexual harassment.

Over 53 percent of women said that they or someone they knew had been sexually harassed on the subway.

Beijing police launched recently a crackdown on sexual harassment on the subway and arrested more than 20 suspects over two weeks.

"Despite the current achievement, a single crackdown far from tackles the root cause of the problem. More laws and regulations are needed and law enforcement should be intensified," said Zhang Lingxiao, a lawyer with Jingsh Law Firm.

Under Article 44 of the law on public security administration, a person who molests another person or intentionally exposes their body in public shall be detained for at least five but no more than ten days.

Article 237 of the criminal law states that those who act indecently or threaten woman with violence or coercion shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of up to five years.

Zhang said the current laws dealing with sexual harassment were not specific enough in terms of definition or punishment.

Interviewees were also concerned about the difficulty of judging if sexual harassment had actually been committed, with 68.7 percent worried that the common physical contact on the subway during peak hours could be used an excuse for sexual harassment.

A total of 63.2 percent of those surveyed pointed out that it was difficult for subway cameras to record harassment; 41.1 percent said the reluctance of victims to call the police or provide evidence posed difficulties in fighting sexual harassment; 29.6 percent said victims might be unsafe if they overreacted.

Zhang called for more subway supervision, quicker police response and punishment, as well as better education on sexual harassment.[/user]


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201808/08/WS5b6a5307a310add14f384954.html
Chinese netizens laud Shenzhen police for cracking down on subway sex offenders
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Netizens are praising police in south China's Shenzhen city for its operation to crack down on sexual harassment on the subway while not victim shaming women for wearing what they want.

In the article posted on its official WeChat platform, the police department released its latest results on the crackdown of gropers in the city’s subway.

A total of 29 suspects of sexual harassment or who infringed upon the privacy of females by taking their pictures on the subway were detained by local police. Authorities captured 20 at the scene, while the others were apprehended thanks to riders and intelligence efforts.

A large number of police also went undercover at different stations to look for potential criminals, especially during morning and evening peak hours when the subway is crammed with people.

Police say that any suspect who shows signs of committing sexual harassment would be captured on the spot. Authorities also encourage passengers to give tips for tracking down suspects.

The authorities reaffirmed in its WeChat article that it had zero tolerance toward sexual harassment, and spoke out against the harassers instead of urging women to wear appropriate clothing.

"You can wear any beautiful dress you want. Let us deal with the gropers on the subway," said the police in the article, which Chinese netizens had praised for its focus on the perpetrators instead of the victims.

"If men who sexually harass women are not severely punished, this issue will not go away even if women stay at home and cover their entire body," commented user @yaoyatou2015 on Sina Weibo.

"This is a responsible society and they are responsible policemen. Telling girls what should or should not be worn is pathetic," commented another user @zishuijingjia83 on Sina Weibo.

"They really give women a sense of security [when taking the subway]. It is not us that make them become criminals, it is their nature," said a user @yigenongcunchulaidenvhai on Sina Weibo.

Despite the great outcomes from this initiative, many victims were still hesitant to give details to the police regarding the harassment they received on the subway because they felt ashamed, according to the Shenzhen police.

But authorities urge victims to speak out.

Shenzhen is not the only city in China that has deployed police to tackle sexual harassment on subways.

Beijing launched a similar police task force, nicknamed the "Wolf Hunt Squad." The squad has apprehended 118 offenders since its establishment in June last year, reported The Beijing News.
 
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From Xinhua 2 years ago...so not beyond the realm of possibility

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/22/c_136546850.htm
Chinese public calls for harsher sexual harassment penalties

BEIJING, Aug. 22 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese public has called for harsher punishment for those found guilty of sexual harassment, according to a recent survey.

The China Youth Daily research showed that of 2,023 people surveyed, 71.5 percent wanted harsher punishment for people committing sexual harassment.

Over 53 percent of women said that they or someone they knew had been sexually harassed on the subway.

Beijing police launched recently a crackdown on sexual harassment on the subway and arrested more than 20 suspects over two weeks.

"Despite the current achievement, a single crackdown far from tackles the root cause of the problem. More laws and regulations are needed and law enforcement should be intensified," said Zhang Lingxiao, a lawyer with Jingsh Law Firm.

Under Article 44 of the law on public security administration, a person who molests another person or intentionally exposes their body in public shall be detained for at least five but no more than ten days.

Article 237 of the criminal law states that those who act indecently or threaten woman with violence or coercion shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of up to five years.

Zhang said the current laws dealing with sexual harassment were not specific enough in terms of definition or punishment.

Interviewees were also concerned about the difficulty of judging if sexual harassment had actually been committed, with 68.7 percent worried that the common physical contact on the subway during peak hours could be used an excuse for sexual harassment.

A total of 63.2 percent of those surveyed pointed out that it was difficult for subway cameras to record harassment; 41.1 percent said the reluctance of victims to call the police or provide evidence posed difficulties in fighting sexual harassment; 29.6 percent said victims might be unsafe if they overreacted.

Zhang called for more subway supervision, quicker police response and punishment, as well as better education on sexual harassment.
I never say there is no sexual harassment in China public transport. Every country has sexual assault on public transport but fact is , Chinese woman are very vocal. They are very unlikely to keep quiet especially with large surveillance nowadays in all corner of China public places. While OP posted a bogus news claim that make up a Chinese woman name and try to sound like a massive problem in Chinese public transport of sexual harassment.

Typical slandering tactic by anti-China media.
 
such behavior is not unusual in East Asia. It's common in Japan Korea, China, etc.

The big news should be how to stop it.
There needs to be a cultural shift where people are taught to not touch others, including fights and molesting.
I love japan but i know their perverted side of society, the "chikan" culture and employment of "joshi kosei" in akihabara, sex district of Japan. Its a societal problem.

I would say India is a few leagues worse, they rape toddlers
And which country doesnt have such vile and inhuman people in their society ? Are you from a country free from rapists ?
 
I am neither US citizen nor based out of US. May be @Hamartia Antidote can help you.

I am interested in China because on this very forum, China has been sold to unsuspecting Pakistani as a land of purity, justice, honey, milk and cookies. About time someone show the bloody Chinese that they are a 'effed up bunch of people.

Lastly, all these bloody perverted Chinese show up in MY COUNTRY seeking PR and citizenship. I don't see things happening the other way round. I call trash, trash when I see it.
Ha ha ha. Your country your rules. Maybe if you or maybe more correctly.. Anglos study harder and get a proper technical degree, maybe you can stop welcoming better educated Asian to your country. Again, your country your rules. China do not push it's people abroad and will happily welcome them back. Just change the rules. Do it.

Hack, maybe you should also go back to your true country too. If you know what I mean. He he he.
 
Canadian left the world and come to post an artical on china, why all european national or who lives there highlighs only china now a days. seems like they been paid to post articals like that i wonder how cud someone ignore indian occupied Kashmir and post a fast *** artical on bus abuse. dang!
He's an Indian. Check all his posts. He's also very interested and defends Endia.
 
He's an Indian. Check all his posts. He's also very interested and defends Endia.
Paid @$$ defending with their sick mind or maybe he is so poor who got only one way to make money by selling himself.
 
Should see some of the stats for India, they don't have proper health or even a health care system, they don't really care in India, and that is just India, imagine what happens in Muslim countries and China.

They can't even build proper footpaths, and 95% of them study to be so-called "engineers".

And in my previous post, I meant they pay them 20,000 rupees a month and they work 14 hours a day, no overtime rates, which is about $375 CAD

Truly a rich county is India.
Its not the question of skills. Heck, it does not take as much skills to build footpaths or basic healthcare. I think Chinese, Indian and south-east Asian culture promotes psychopathy and extreme selfishness. Almost to the point of being a disease. Their societies don't take these behaviors as signs of mental health problems.

Unless enforced with an iron fist -- like China does nowadays-- they will end up going all ape shit crazy and making a mess of the place they live in, a mess of civil amenities and a mess of each other. Notice, how all of these folks have a massive sense of misplaced self-worth, sometimes vicariously by associating with what they think is the "only true religion" or "only true party/communism" or "great countries" or "glorious past" or "glorious culture". At their core they are suffering from absolute lack of self worth and they fill it with these weird concepts.

Notice, how very few have even spoken about the basic problem being discussed in this thread is about, but have a lot of say about India, or Japan etc. Or how I MUST be some kind of Indian because I show them the real ugly side of their "Oh So Wonderful Land". Or how SCMP MUST BE a lying because it speaks ill of Mainland China.

And then when they come abroad they bring this behaviour with them. Thats the reason why Chinese are the rudest and loudest pricks in the town, or Indians are the creepiest little piece of shit. Because no one fixed these mental health issues in their society.

I will love to know if someone did an analysis of their usage of mental health services in Europe, Australia or North America. I have a feeling that they consult professional far too less than the general population.
 
I am neither US citizen nor based out of US. May be @Hamartia Antidote can help you.

I am interested in China because on this very forum, China has been sold to unsuspecting Pakistani as a land of purity, justice, honey, milk and cookies. About time someone show the bloody Chinese that they are a 'effed up bunch of people.

Lastly, all these bloody perverted Chinese show up in MY COUNTRY seeking PR and citizenship. I don't see things happening the other way round. I call trash, trash when I see it.
Which posts sold China as "a land of purity, justice, honey, milk and cookies"? I would like to see them. In the meantime, I suspect you're making these up as you go. Granted, China is still facing a mountain of social issues. What is true is that China has transformed itself from an economic backwater into the world's largest industrial power in a span for three decades. Unsanitary practices and indecent behaviours will diminish as social development progresses. For Chinese, we don't understand American hillbillies banging their sisters either, but we don't generalize that to every Americans. It's called logic, which you clearly lack.

Every society has its share of criminals and deviants, and China is no exception. Speaking of perversion, you're the one obsessed with groping on trains. I call out trash when I see one as well.
 
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