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China’s Ultimate Nightmare: Japan Armed With Nuclear Weapons

Hi @Genesis its been a long time since we talked, buddy! Can I say something and be frank with you? What is this sense of superiority amongst Chinese members and their need to belittle and put down 'South Asians' and the latter's industrial capability? Please don't think that China was immune to poor development or believe that China was always an industrial power as surely she was not prior to liberalizing her economic mandate. South Asian countries like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka are developing, and their industrial capabilities are improving as we speak, soon enough they shall have reached parity status of China in at least 10-20 years time if they keep up their modernization agenda to par.

Please kindly avoid the need to put down an entire region due to their developmental status in regards to HDI. Everything is relative, remember , my friend. Not every nation is similar to each other and each nation has a unique social and external variables that affect and influence developmental schema.

I , as a citizen of a ultra-developed nation , Japan, could easily adopt a supremacist and superiority-conjured thinking , and easily say that Japanese are superior to Chinese due to our higher standard of living, or compare the educational level and attainment of every Japanese citizen compared to Chinese nationals in China mainland. And what would that do? Would it really help by putting down another and pointing out their weaknesses? To do so, my friend is not virtuous, and arrogant , this is not the Confucian way.

Take this as a kind and constructive analysis from me. There is no ill intent in this message.

I hope you're doing great, i have missed our fond conversations.


Regards,
Kenji

I want you to point to a serious conversation, where you had the pleasure, or lack thereof, of a Chinese member actually suggesting that China be the solution of a developed nation, be it Japan or otherwise.

China, and I are very aware of Japan's position on the world stage, and no serious Chinese poster have put down Japan's living standards, education level, or working condition.

The same cannot be said of other friend down South.

Constant remarks on our quality, service industry, living standards, our military equipment and more. China is 5 times bigger than India, a little under 10 times that in industrial capacity, and a little under 5 times that in service. That's not me putting anyone down, that's just a fact.

In my view we can discuss without having to put down the 'other' by glorifying oneself or one's national inherent strengths. It is , in the Japanese mindset, extremely arrogant and we do not look too kindly towards arrogant behavior. That is why i gave that constructive message to our friend @Genesis because from my year or so of dialogue with him, I never saw him post like that before, that is why i was a bit concerned. I hope he does not continue on with that kind of thinking as it is unproductive and does not encourage a healthy dialogue with our South Asian friends.

No it's not. It depends on the person. This view of conservative Japanese and hardworking Chinese are wrong. I seen it. Chinese are not hardworking, motivated people are, in every parts of the world.

Japanese respects others when respects are given. China is not given the respect it should command. Hence my statements.

Look at the statements made here, give nukes to our "enemies." Who do they think they are, I don't go around saying I will help train UFC fighters to take down Jon Jones, when I am weaker than both.
 
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plz stop the hypocrisy, if big players can do it why not the little players . do you know how soviet got the bomb instant transfer behind close door thanks USA.
Because little players might turn out to be rogue states like Pakistan that are willing to play nuclear footsie with anyone willing to pay. Irresponsibility has its own costs.

Very smart ... So China supplied nuclear reactors of Pakistan in the 70s,trained Pakistani technicians .. Yet Pak stole centrifuge blue prints from Holland ... Bought equipment and material from European states Germany,Switzerland,Italy,France .. Bought uranium from Niger - instead of just getting all that from China ? Are you a retard?

Where did I say Chinese nuclear activities were in the 70s?

Document 1: Thomas Hughes, Director of Intelligence and Research, U.S. Department of State, to Director of Central Intelligence, W.F. Raborn, 21 July 1965, enclosing paper on U.S.-Pakistan policy problems, Secret
Source: U.S. National Archives, CIA Research Tool (CREST)


Well before Washington was concerned about Chinese nuclear sharing with Pakistan, U.S. government officials worried about the close China-Pakistan relationship. During the mid-1960s, when the Johnson administration was escalating the Vietnam War and U.S.-China relations remained tense, top policymakers defined Pakistan as a problem. Not only were the Pakistanis loosening security ties with the United States and keeping their distance from U.S. Vietnam policy, the White House and the State Department believed that they were getting too close to China, even to the point of allegedly signing a secret security understanding with Beijing. (Note 8) That the two neighboring countries had highly tense relations with India was central to their close cooperation, but that did not make the Johnson administration any more sympathetic. Significantly, a Pakistani effort to convey a message from Beijing warning Washington about the Vietnam War failed when President Johnson canceled Ayub Khan's visit. Not long before Hughes sent this paper to CIA, President Johnson decided to cut signal displeasure over Pakistan's tilt to Beijing by postponing a meeting of the aid consortium, which had provided a forum for U.S. pledges of economic aid. Tensions would grow during the following months as an India-Pakistan crisis over Kashmir broke out, which threatened to bring in the Chinese. (Note 9)

Document 2: George C. Denney, Deputy Director of Intelligence and Research, U.S. Department of State, to Secretary Rusk, "Pakistan and Communist China Strengthen Cooperation," 4 December 1968, Secret
Source: U.S. National Archives, Record Group 59, Records of the Department of State, Subject-Numeric Files, 1967-1969, POL 1 Chicom-Pak


The Johnson administration would continue to be troubled by signs of close and highly secret cooperation between China and Pakistan. Not only were border and military cooperation growing, apparently the Pakistani military had given the Chinese access to U.S. F-104 supersonic fighter aircraft, in violation of the acceptance agreement with the Pentagon. This generosity made the Chinese just as obliging in providing substantial interest free loans. No doubt, realpolitik accounted for this neighborliness. As INR noted, China was willing to "overlook ideological factors in dealing with Pakistan." As this document was written, the Nixon administration was coming to power. Ironically, it was the close China-Pakistan relationship that would serve the Nixon administration so well when it began its search for secret back channels to convey its strong interest in rapprochement with Beijing. Indeed, suspicions of Pakistan dissolved as the Nixon administration tilted policy toward Pakistan, for example, during the 1971 South Asian war. (Note 10)

Document 3: " Proposed Cable to Tehran on Pakistani Nuclear Processing," 12 May 1976, Secret
Source: National Archives, Records of the State Department, Record Group 59, Office of the Counselor, 1955-1977, box 3, Chron-Official April-June 1976


During the mid-1970s, in the wake of India's "peaceful" nuclear explosion, nuclear proliferation concerns grew as governments in Asia (Taiwan, South Korea and Pakistan) and Latin America (Argentina and Brazil) showed interest in acquiring weapons capabilities. Moreover, growing competition among national nuclear power industries and increased interest in nuclear energy raised intense concerns about "safeguarding" nuclear reactor exports so they were not used for military purposes. One issue that emerged during 1976 was Pakistan's quest for nuclear reprocessing facilities as part of a program to acquire nuclear weapons fuel. During this meeting, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and State Department advisers discussed the difficult problems raised by Pakistan's nuclear weapons ambitions. One interesting sidelight was the brief mention of intelligence reporting on Pakistan-Libyan discussions of nuclear cooperation. Another subject of discussion was the negotiations between Iran and the United States on nuclear cooperation and the newly proposed "Symington Amendment" which aimed at cutting off U.S. military aid to countries that engaged in unsafeguarded nuclear activities.

Document 4: Secretary of State Cyrus Vance to National Security Assistant Zbigniew Brzezinski, "Nuclear Safeguards - Pakistan, South Africa, China," 14 July 1977, Secret
Source: State Department Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Release


By the time that the Jimmy Carter administration had come to power in early 1977, the U.S. had working relations with China and full diplomatic relations would go into effect later in 1978. One of the major issues that President Carter had campaigned on was the problem of nuclear proliferation. After he came to power, the Pakistani nuclear program remained worrisome, as indicated by Secretary of State Vance, who supported initiatives to constrain Pakistan's access to nuclear fuel fabrication services. In this way, Vance hoped to encourage Pakistan to cancel or postpone its reprocessing project. As he noted, one problem was a pending deal with the French for a reprocessing plant at Chashma; the French wanted to disengage from the contract and were already dragging their feet on it. Another complicating factor was China, which was starting to offer fuel services and technical assistance to Pakistan's KANUPP heavy water reactor (whose fuel would later be a source of plutonium). China's assistance made it important, Vance observed, to share U.S. disquiet about nuclear proliferation with the Chinese. In any event, when it was evident that the Pakistanis were pushing the French to make good on the reprocessing contract, Carter and his advisers had decided that Islamabad was going too far. In September 1977, without invoking the Symington amendment, the administration cut off military and economic aid to Pakistan. (Note 11)

Document 5: State Department cable to U.S. Embassy, Austria, "Pakistan Nuclear Issue: Briefing of IAEA Director General Eklund", 9 July 1979, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Later in 1978, when the French drastically slowed down work on the Chashma plant, the Carter administration restored aid to Pakistan. Nevertheless, the Pakistanis pursued alternative strategies for acquiring nuclear fuels leading Carter to formally invoke the Symington amendment in the spring of 1979 and cut off economic and military aid for the second time. In June 1979, Carter's top diplomatic representative on nuclear proliferation issues, Ambassador-at-Large Gerard C. Smith (who had negotiated the SALT I agreement),briefed the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Sigvard Eklund, on the latest evidence on Pakistan's efforts to develop reprocessing facilities and acquire technology for centrifuge machines (for producing highly enriched uranium). (Robert Galluci, then with the State Department Policy Planning Staff, provided the detailed briefing, not included in the text of this document). In a later meeting, Smith expressed some optimism that there was "some time" to stop the Pakistani program but Eklund was not so sanguine. Plainly a believer in peaceful nuclear power, Eklund was most worried that "a Pakistani explosive capability [was] a serious threat to nuclear power programs of the future."

Document 6: Friday Morning Session, September 14, 1979, General Advisory Committee on Arms Control and Disarmament, Secret, Excised Copy, Excerpt
Source: State Department FOIA Release


The General Advisory Committee (GAC) on Arms Control and Disarmament was a high-level presidentially-appointed body of former officials and scientific experts that offered policy advice to the White House, the State Department, and the former Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (ACDA). Created during the 1960s, its first chairman was the quintessential establishment figure John J. McCloy. During the Carter years Thomas Watson (Nixon's second ambassador to France) chaired the GAC; other members were McGeorge Bundy, Brent Scowcroft, Wolfgang Panofsky, and Paul Doty. When the committee met on 14 September 1979, nuclear proliferation was high on the agenda, with the assistant director of ACDA's Non-Proliferation Bureau, Charles Van Doren, providing a detailed briefing on the "immediate tough cases." Pakistan headed the list--the "makings ….of another Indian disaster"--and Van Doren reviewed efforts at "slowing down the process", the impact of the Symington amendment, the implications for global nuclear commerce, and apparent Israeli consideration of military action against Pakistan. The United States itself had not discussed "preemption plans." Van Doren also reviewed China's ambivalence: on the one hand, he did not believe they were doing anything to "help" with Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, but on the other hand, Beijing was advising the United States to help Pakistan against the "Soviet peril" and refrain from punitive action: "cutting off your nose to spite your face." When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in December the Carter administration would decide that Beijing's advice was correct. In the light of the invasion, Pakistan looked more like an ally than a wayward client and the administration approved an indefinite waiver of Symington amendment sanctions so long as Pakistan did not actually test a nuclear weapon. (Note 12)

Document 7: "Secretary's Talking Points: U.S.-China Relations," June 1981, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


The Reagan administration intensified cooperation with Pakistan against the Soviet presence in Afghanistan and, like its predecessor, gave a pass on suspect nuclear activities so that it could funnel support for Afghan rebels through Pakistan. Yet, it also sustained some quiet and not very successful attempts to tighten up controls of third party exports to slow down Pakistan's nuclear progress. In keeping with this, the Reagan administration sought to discourage Chinese nuclear sharing with Pakistan. When Secretary of State Alexander Haig met with Deng Xiaoping and other top officials in June 1981, one item on his agenda was nuclear proliferation. While the briefing paper does not directly mention Chinese aid to Pakistan in that connection, it does specify concerns about China's exports to Argentina and South Africa of unsafeguarded uranium and heavy water. "These and similar exports elsewhere could contribute to the spread of nuclear explosives, undermining regional stability." Then the paper mentioned the political damage that a Pakistani nuclear test could cause. That may have been a veiled way of cautioning the Chinese not to assist Pakistan's nuclear program.

Document 8: U.S. embassy China cable 17090 to State Department, "Arms Control and Disarmament," 17 December 1982, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


By late 1982, and probably earlier, the Reagan administration had asked Chinese diplomats if Beijing was aiding Pakistan's nuclear program but it was not getting any answers. Haig's successor, George Shultz, was gearing up for a trip to Beijing and nuclear proliferation was on his agenda for the discussion. This cable, prepared for briefing Shultz, shows that concern about unsafeguarded exports of uranium and heavy water persisted even though the Chinese were privately arguing that they had not, and would not, "assist any country in developing nuclear weapons." According to Ambassador Arthur Hummel, Chinese officials were unresponsive to U.S. pleas for "adequate safeguard" or other specific cooperation on nuclear exports. Moreover, "The Chinese have also refused to give us an unequivocal answer that they are not assisting Pakistan's reported efforts to manufacture a nuclear explosive device."

Document 9: U.S. embassy China cable 17168 to State Department, "U.S.-PRC Nuclear Cooperation -- Or the Lack of It," 18 December 1982, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA Release


A cable sent by Hummel the next day gave some of the broad context for U.S. concerns about China's policy on nuclear proliferation. On the one hand, the Embassy was aware that Chinese economic development plans required huge inputs of electrical energy and that Beijing was banking on nuclear power to make development possible. In this connection, the Embassy observed that there were billions of dollars in possible U.S. contracts for the Chinese reactor market, for which U.S. companies like Westinghouse were competing. On the other hand, the Chinese were themselves getting involved in the nuclear export business as a way to earn needed foreign currencies that could underwrite imports. As indicated earlier, the U.S. government suspected Chinese nuclear sales to Argentina and South Africa and held "suspicions" that Beijing was providing "weapons-related know-how" to Pakistan. To get control of this problem as well as meet the U.S.'s own nuclear export goals, the Embassy recommended greater nuclear cooperation: "a U.S. nuclear policy … that will encourage China to keep in close touch with us on nuclear issues, through channels established by cooperation and understanding." This was part of the thinking that led to the eventual U.S.-China negotiations on nuclear cooperation that was formalized by a 1985 agreement. To ensure that Beijing's and Washington's thinking on nuclear proliferation was compatible, this was a major subject of discussion in the negotiations on nuclear cooperation that began in July 1983.

Document 10: State Department cable 348835 to U.S. Embassy Pakistan,
"Newsweek Article on Chinese Nuclear Cooperation with Pakistan," 18 December 1982, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Just as Hummel was signing off on cables indicating doubts about China's assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons project, Newsweek was running a story highlighting the problem. Pakistani authorities denied the story, which included a reference to an alleged theft by a Pakistani scientist of "information on uranium enrichment technology from a nuclear installation in the Netherlands." It is now well known that the Pakistani scientist was none other than Abdul Qadeer Khan. (Note 13)

Document 11: U.S. State Department, "The Pakistani Nuclear Program," 22 June 1983, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release (Note 14)


As if someone at high levels needed convincing about Pakistan's nuclear activities, six months later a State Department briefing paper opened with this emphatic language: "There is unambiguous evidence that Pakistan is actively pursuing a nuclear weapons development program." After detailing the elements of the weapons program, the report expressed confidence that China had played a significant role in Pakistan's effort to build a bomb. While Pakistan had far to go before it possessed nuclear weapons, China had provided assistance with the production of fissile materials and possibly in "nuclear device design."

Document 12: Memorandum from Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Paul Wolfowitz to Deputy Secretary of State Kenneth Dam, "The Secretary's Meeting with Premier Zhao - Nuclear Cooperation," 10 January 1984, with attachments, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


In January 1984, Beijing and Washington tried to put the Pakistan problem behind them. As a sign that it was paying more attention to nuclear proliferation concerns, that month China joined the IAEA. In addition, Premier Zhao Ziyang traveled to Washington for talks touching upon nuclear proliferation and the proposed U.S.-China nuclear cooperation agreement. Because Beijing sought access to U.S. reactor technology and Washington wanted to expedite sales as well as receive assurances that China would not facilitate weapons proliferation, the Chinese agreed to make a public statement that spoke to U.S. concerns. As Wolfowitz observed, the statement was designed to "resolve the concern which arose from past Chinese assistance to Pakistan." The next problem was to ensure that an agreement was consistent with the Atomic Energy Act which insisted that Washington have "consent rights" concerning the disposition of nuclear materials.

Document 13: U.S. Embassy China cable 00644 to State Department, "Premier Zhao's Statement on Non-Proliferation Published in Beijing," 12 January 1984, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA Release


As promised, during the White House banquet premier Zhao's toast included a statement that "we do not engage in nuclear proliferation ourselves, or do we help other countries develop nuclear weapons." The embassy gave a positive spin to Zhao's statement, suggesting that the "Premier's statement that China will [emphasis added] neither engage in nuclear proliferation nor assist any other nation to obtain nuclear weapons" was an important step forward from previous "less-definite" language. But as the marginal comment indicated, Zhao's statement did not cover future activities. Apparently, however, when U.S. officials made an attempt to get private clarification of this point, the Chinese agreed that it did apply to the future. The Reagan administration, however, never got such a statement in writing. (Note 15)

Document 14: U.S. Embassy India cable 14048 to State Department, "News Reports of Pakistan Nuclear Capabilities," 22 June 1984, Unclassified
Source: State Department FOIA release


As this cable indicates, Zhao's declaration hardly reduced skepticism of Bejing's nuclear policies and influential members of Congress kept allegations of Chinese-Pakistan nuclear cooperation in the news. Moreover, the Reagan administration wanted assurances that Beijing and Washington meant the same thing by "assist." Clarification of that and related issues made it possible for the two parties to wrap up the negotiation of the nuclear cooperation agreement. But Congressional reservations would have a significant impact on the prospects for U.S.-China nuclear cooperation. The 1985 agreement included language prohibiting the diversion to military uses of material produced by U.S.-supplied reactors, but there was no broader policy commitment on nuclear proliferation. That was exactly what Congress wanted and the joint approval resolution on the agreement made implementation dependent on presidential certification. Before any reactors could be sold, China would have to provide information on its nuclear nonproliferation policies confirming that it was doing nothing "violation of section 129 of the 1954 Atomic Energy Act, which requires termination of US nuclear exports to countries that help non-nuclear weapons states acquire nuclear weapons capabilities." No president, however, was able to certify that Chinese policies were compatible with the Atomic Energy Act until 1997. (Note 16)

Document 15: U.S. Embassy China cable 24244 to State Department, "Pakistan Foreign Minister Visits PRC: Nuclear Cooperation and Afghanistan," 29 September 1986, Confidential, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


That the Chinese were sensitive to Congressional criticism of their nuclear policy is evident in this discussion of the 1986 signing of a China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation agreement. Thus, the Chinese saw the agreement as important to "underline the peaceful nature of Sino-Pakistani nuclear cooperation", to dispel "irresponsible rumors," and provide an occasion for reiterating the PRC's non-proliferation policy. At the same time, however, Beijing remained publicly critical of the NPT because it was "discriminatory" against non-nuclear states. In the meantime, Congress tried to find ways to express concerns about Pakistan's nuclear status without jeopardizing U.S. Afghanistan policy. The result was the Pressler amendment (1985), a far less stringent version of the Symington amendment. Under Pressler, economic aid and government military sales would continue as long as the President could certify that Pakistan had not assembled a nuclear device. (Note 17)

Document 16: U.S. State Department Briefing Papers, "The President's Meeting with President Yang Shangkun," 8 February 1989, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


Lingering suspicions over the degree of China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation encouraged the State Department's China Desk to raise the problem in material prepared for President George H.W. Bush's visit to China, where he would meet China's president, Yang Shangkun, among other senior officials. Yang, an influential military man (who would soon help orchestrate the crackdown at Tiananmen Square) played an important role in military sales policy. (Note 18) For the State Department, a discussion with Yang provided an opportunity to emphasize the U.S. interest in the military dimension of U.S.-China relations but also to convey "concerns over the global dangers of nuclear, missile, and chemical weapons proliferation." By then Washington was also worried about Chinese missile sales, for example, to Saudi Arabia, and working to influence Beijing to comply with the nascent Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). With respect to Pakistan, "our concern focuses on reports over a number of years of Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program." Whether or how Bush or his Secretary of State dealt with those issues in his talks with Yang is yet to be disclosed.

Document 17: U.S. Embassy China Cable 14868 to State Department, "Ranking MFA Official on PRC Nuclear Matters: No Proliferation or Subs for Pakistan; Zip for Pyongyang," 30 May 1989, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


If Bush or Secretary of State Baker raised questions about China's stance on nuclear proliferation, they may have rankled Foreign Ministry officials. At a meeting held days before the Tiananmen Square events, an unidentified Chinese diplomat denied the rumors that China had helped Pakistan develop nuclear weapons and observed that since Beijing's accession to the IAEA, any country with which China was engaging in nuclear cooperation had to accept safeguards on fuels and technology. He also denied another rumor--Chinese cooperation with Pakistan on nuclear submarine technology--this was most unlikely, he claimed, because the "PRC is certainly the most backward in those technologies." (Note 19) The diplomat restated the Zhao declaration adding that "one could even say that China opposes nuclear proliferation," despite the PRC's opposition to the NPT.

Document 18: U.S. Department of State, Office of Non-Proliferation and Export Technology, "U.S. Interaction with the PRC Concerning the PRC's Nuclear Relationship with Pakistan," 28 November 1989, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


This heavily excised paper provides some background on the negotiation of the nuclear cooperation agreement although the material relating to its implementation and any specifics on Pakistan is withheld. Whatever this paper may have concluded, the Bush administration would determine the following year that it could not certify that Pakistan was in compliance with Pressler amendment requirements. In the light of Pakistani decisions to assemble several nuclear cores and an intelligence establishment consensus that this had indeed happened, President Bush withheld the necessary certification, thus triggering a suspension of military and economic aid. Facilitating this decision was the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, which seemingly reduced Pakistan's strategic importance. This action produced an angry reaction in Pakistan where authorities continued the drive toward a nuclear capability. (Note 20)

Document 19: U.S. Embassy China Cable 1884, "Proliferation Issues: The View from Beijing Looks Grim," 16 April 1991, Confidential, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


In this update, the Embassy summarized China's official position on nuclear proliferation and nuclear exports including Beijing's routine demurrals that it had given any assistance to Pakistan's weapons program or that it was anything less than aboveboard in applying IAAEA safeguards on nuclear projects with Pakistan and Algeria. (Note 21) While the Chinese professed concern about a South Asian nuclear arms race, they argued that Pakistan's nuclear program was basically "defensive" and a "check" against Indian "hegemonism" in the region, which China also opposed. Beijing also rejected New Delhi's arguments that it was the PRC nuclear arsenal that had motivated the Indian program. The Chinese were not about to put their nuclear arsenal on the table and believed that only the superpowers--the United States and the (soon to be former) Soviet Union--could broker a deal. Thus, Beijing was "unresponsive to our attempts to engage them on South Asian nuclear proliferation."

Document 20: Department of State cable 09394 to U.S. Embassy China, "China's Nuclear Reactor Deal with Pakistan; Chinese Steps Toward Joining NPT," 10 January 1992, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA release


The news that a major nuclear export from China to Pakistan--a 388 megawatt nuclear power plant--was in the works produced concerns that the Chinese safeguards were not tough enough to prevent diversion of nuclear resources to the Pakistani weapons program. Thus, the Department instructed Embassy officials to express regret that the Chinese were not treating "full-scope safeguards"--ensuring non-diversion of resources from the Pakistani nuclear power program to the non-safeguarded weapons program--as a condition for the sale. Such safeguards had become a standard for the Nuclear Suppliers Group which tried to provide international regulation for nuclear exports. On a more positive note, the Department asked the Embassy to preface those concerns by expressing satisfaction that China's National Peoples Congress had made a decision that China would adhere to the NPT, which became official in March 1992. With this move, China was starting to join the world in a critically important area although Beijing's adherence to new standards of nonproliferation policy would not occur overnight.

Document 21: U.S. Embassy China cable 01109 to State Department, "China's Nuclear Deal with Pakistan -- Demarche Delivered," 14 January 1992, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA release


Several days later, an Embassy representative presented the Ministry of Foreign Affairs with the demarche on the reactor deal with Pakistan. Wu Chengjiang, the Foreign Ministry expert on nuclear proliferation matters, observed that Beijing would apply IAEA safeguards to the reactor sale and that the NPT did not require full-scope safeguards. Further, Wu argued, Beijing needed to make the sale, which would benefit Pakistan's economic development. The embassy official nevertheless maintained that full-scope safeguards were necessary for reactor sales to Pakistan because of the "proliferation concern." Washington would continue to press Beijing on this issue.

Document 22: U.S. Embassy China cable 02139 to State Department, "Recent Nuclear Developments in China," 24 January 1992 [incomplete document], Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA release


Other countries took a parallel position to Washington's on the reactor sale to Pakistan; paragraph 5 of the cable reports on a recent Chinese discussion with a German company of the possible sale of cooling equipment for the Pakistan reactor. The Germans would not quote a price and informed the Chinese that the West German government would not provide an export license without adequate safeguards. The German businessmen agreed to quote a price, however, when the Chinese representative said that he wanted to get the same item for a Chinese reactor to be built later in the decade. That some Chinese officials recognized they had been playing outside of the nonproliferation rules is evident in the reported reaction to a French demarche about Chinese nuclear activities in Algeria: "We got caught this time in Algeria, but this will not happen again"--a double entendre that did not reassure the French.

Document 23: U.S. Embassy China cable 025699, "ACDA Director Lehman's Beijing Consultations: Non-CWC Topics," 19 August 1992, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


The Bush administration saw 1992 as a year of progress in cooperation with China on nuclear proliferation and regional security issues. A visit to China by ACDA director Ronald Lehman would involve more talk on full-scope safeguards, but also expressions of appreciation for Beijing's decision to join the NPT, its helpfulness on the festering North Korean nuclear issue, and the decision to participate in talks on South Asia. Nevertheless, Lehman reported that Washington was "still concerned about reports of Chinese involvement in Pakistan's nuclear weapons program." Plainly, that was an issue that time had not settled.

Document 24: U.S. Embassy China cable 037741, "Chinese Views on NPT Extension," 25 November 1992, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Not long after Beijing signed the NPT, the problem of treaty extension was on the international agenda, with plans for a 1995 conference under way. In November the Chinese hosted a conference on arms control where relatively frank Chinese assessments of the NPT shed some light on older internal debates, motivations for signing the treaty, and reactions to U.S. pressure on the China-Pakistan nuclear connection. Unfortunately, this cable was transmitted in somewhat garbled form (see paragraph 6, first sentence), but the discussion in that paragraph suggests why some Chinese officials may have thought it legitimate for Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons. Some of the Chinese argued that the U.S.-Soviet nuclear standoff had produced "a de facto political stability that prevented direct conflict." If that was good enough for Moscow and Washington should not "other rival states", such as India and Pakistan, have the "same chance to prevent conflict." This was a minority view at the conference but it may have been close to the thinking of those elements in the government that had supported nuclear assistance to Pakistan.

Document 25: U.S. State Department Briefing Paper, "China," circa December 1992, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA Release


China policy would be a significant issue for the incoming Clinton administration which, like its predecessors, would have to balance nuclear proliferation concerns with trade, human rights, missile proliferation, and other issues. This briefing paper, prepared for incoming Secretary of State Warren Christopher, provides an overview of China's evolving approach to nuclear proliferation and non-proliferation. China's uneven commitment to nuclear nonproliferation was plainly troubling, as evidenced by the discussion of Beijing's aid to Algerian and Iranian nuclear programs. The China-Pakistan nuclear relationship remained a top concern; not only the problem of full-scope safeguards on reactor sales, but also "continuing activities with Pakistan's nuclear weapons program." The briefing paper included recommendations on "tools", "starting minimally and then increasing in severity," that could be used to ensure Chinese compliance with "minimum standards" of nonproliferation policy. The recommendations are heavily excised in this version and it is obscure how the Clinton administration conducted itself in the behind-the-scenes diplomacy of nuclear nonproliferation policy. Nevertheless, as the following documents suggests, by 1997 the administration was confident that the problem of Chinese cooperation with Pakistan's nuclear weapons activity had been resolved.

Document 26: "Classified Report to Congress on the Non-Proliferation and Practices of the People's Republic of China," 1997, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Twelve years after the U.S. and China signed the nuclear cooperation agreement, a U.S. president certified that Beijing's nuclear policies complied with Congressional nonproliferation requirements. Pressure from the U.S. nuclear energy complex was an important element in the decision but the Clinton administration argued that changes in Chinese conduct justified the finding. An important section in this heavily excised report (only one and a half secret paragraphs were declassified) was a discussion of the China-Pakistan relationship. While the Chinese would never publicly declare that they had aided Pakistan, new charges of illicit sales--of ring magnets and a special industrial furnace--were surfacing, (Note 22) and further U.S. demarches produced a May 1996 public declaration that China would not assist unsafeguarded nuclear facilities. Nevertheless, intelligence intercepts unwisely published by Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz suggest that only months after that declaration the Chinese, through the China Nuclear Energy Industry Corporation, were still making deals with the Pakistanis although it remains unclear whether the transactions were completed. (Note 23) Whether the White House used this discovery to stimulate stronger nonproliferation commitments from the Chinese is unclear. In any event, the Clinton administration soon become that Chinese policies had changed for the better and the following year reported so to Congress. According to the 1997 certification, "we have no direct evidence that China has transferred equipment or material to Pakistan's unsafeguarded nuclear program since that time, and we have no basis for concluding that China is not honoring its pledge." Although some Republican critics would argue that China remained in defiance of the NPT, the Clinton White House rested its case; the Republicans could not overturn the certification. Thus, the huge Chinese market for U.S. nuclear reactor technology was officially open. (Note 24)

President Clinton's decision did not mean that the China-Pakistan nuclear issue had simply gone away. Months later, the Christian Science Monitor reported that U.S. intelligence had picked up signs that Chinese companies were trying to sell equipment for Iran's and Pakistan's nuclear programs. Apparently, the U.S. government reported the information to Beijing, which took steps to halt the transactions. (Note 25) Yet the certification of Beijing's nonproliferation policy by no means dispelled the nuclear problem in U.S.-China relations. During 1998, accusations of Chinese espionage would fill front pages as would a flap over the U.S. satellite technology to China. In more recent years, DCI Tenet's semi-annual unclassified reports to Congress on weapons of mass destruction proliferation show continuing wariness about the China. (Note 26)

That China's aid to Pakistan had the most negative consequences became evident in May 1998, when both India and Pakistan held nuclear weapons tests and more recently with more and more disclosures on Pakistan's role as a super-proliferator. China expressed "deep regret" over the former and the Foreign Ministry is now investigating the latter. To what degree Beijing will disclose the background of its nuclear relationship with Pakistan remains to be seen.

Are you a retard?

you are way out of your depth here. Seemingly clever, yet circular arguments cannot substitute for facts, something you are obviously yet to learn.
 
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An interesting read, to be honest.

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NEW YORK — China’s disarmament ambassador blasted Japan yesterday for its growing stockpile of nuclear fissile materials, expressing concern that they could be used to make nuclear weapons and that there are “political forces” in the country pressing for nuclear armament.

“Over the years, Japan has accumulated a huge amount of sensitive nuclear materials, giving rise to grave risks both in terms of nuclear security and nuclear proliferation,” said Chinese envoy Fu Cong at the United Nations General Assembly’s First Committee, which addresses disarmament issues. He added the inventory “far exceeds its legitimate needs”.


The Japanese government insists its plutonium stock is intended for atomic power generation, although most of the country’s reactors have remained offline since the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster. “Some political forces in Japan have continuously clamoured for the development of nuclear weapons, claiming that Japan should have nuclear weapons if it wants to be a power that could sway international politics,” Mr Fu said. He added in a speech to the committee that Japan’s fissile materials inventory is large enough to manufacture more than 1,000 nuclear warheads.

Speaking to reporters after his speech, Mr Fu said that Japan could produce nuclear weapons in an “extremely short” period of time using its stockpile of separated or weapons-convertible plutonium because of the country’s advanced level of technology. “Japan has everything and the only thing that is missing is the so-called political decision,” said Mr Fu, noting it is a “very special country” in terms of technological know-how.

He also slammed Japan’s nuclear fuel recycling programme for atomic power plants, which he said would allow Japan to attain more fissile materials. “Given the lack of feasible ways to consume these materials, it can be predicted that the imbalance of supply and demand of nuclear materials in Japan will aggravate further,” he added. On China’s own nuclear arsenal, Mr Fu said that Beijing adheres to a “nuclear strategy of self-defence” and keeps its nuclear force at “the minimal level required by its national security”.

Japan’s disarmament envoy Toshio Sano said that Tokyo’s efforts to maintain transparency in its nuclear fuel programme have been recognised by the international community. He said Japan operates under the International Atomic Energy Agency’s safeguard system and has done so for more than 50 years. “Japan will continue to adhere to the course that we have taken to date as a peace-loving nation,” he said in response to Mr Fu’s remarks. He added that Japan maintains its policy focus exclusively on national defence so that it will not become a nuclear power that poses a threat to other countries.

Also on Tuesday, Japan introduced to the committee a draft resolution on the elimination of nuclear weapons, aiming for its adoption for the 22nd year in a row. Expressing regret over a lack of consensus at the review conference of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) held in New York this spring, it encourages states to engage in multilateral forums to “explore effective measures necessary for achieving a world free of nuclear weapons”.

Japan had attempted to include an invitation to world leaders and young people to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the cities atom-bombed by the United States in 1945, in a final document of the NPT review conference, but the invitation was dropped due to opposition from China.

The disarmament committee began its annual session earlier this month. It continues as resolutions are voted on before they are put before a plenary General Assembly session in December. KYODO News


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In my view we can discuss without having to put down the 'other' by glorifying oneself or one's national inherent strengths. It is , in the Japanese mindset, extremely arrogant and we do not look too kindly towards arrogant behavior. That is why i gave that constructive message to our friend @Genesis because from my year or so of dialogue with him, I never saw him post like that before, that is why i was a bit concerned. I hope he does not continue on with that kind of thinking as it is unproductive and does not encourage a healthy dialogue with our South Asian friends.

Whether it is arrogant in the eyes of the Japanese generally speaking is up for debate. I'm sure plenty SEA members here don't feel insulted as they never said anything about getting nukes in the first place other than the Viets here. Perhaps you can teach that DaiViet some manners not to look down on Chinese. He has been saying he's more intelligent than us, earns more money than us and has Chinese under his employment that he can fire whenever he wishes. :lol:
Seriously don't even start such threads if you want constructive dialogue promoting East Asian economic development. There's more to gain for CN-SK-JP trade agreements :cheers:
 
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China’s disarmament ambassador blasted Japan yesterday for its growing stockpile of nuclear fissile materials, expressing concern that they could be used to make nuclear weapons and that there are “political forces” in the country pressing for nuclear armament.

“Over the years, Japan has accumulated a huge amount of sensitive nuclear materials, giving rise to grave risks both in terms of nuclear security and nuclear proliferation,” said Chinese envoy Fu Cong at the United Nations General Assembly’s First Committee, which addresses disarmament issues. He added the inventory “far exceeds its legitimate needs”.

Calm down Chinese Ambassador, rest assured our policies will ensure peace and stability in the region and the world.



Speaking to reporters after his speech, Mr Fu said that Japan could produce nuclear weapons in an “extremely short” period of time using its stockpile of separated or weapons-convertible plutonium because of the country’s advanced level of technology. “Japan has everything and the only thing that is missing is the so-called political decision,” said Mr Fu, noting it is a “very special country” in terms of technological know-how.

Seriously Mr. Fu, there is no need to be like this and cause panic. Be calm Chinese Minister Fu, and Chinese people whom you represent. Calm , stay calm like donkey kong. :)

Err, i meant, stay calm and carry on? lol.
 
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For one yes you're quite right considering the United States is the most militarily capable nation in the world. But in context to the article written by Mr. Mike-sama, I suppose he was making an implication of Japan having been the one who was historically at 'odds' with the Chinese in 2 entire millenial paradigms. I guess it should be important to note that tho the United States may counter Chinese position in regards to freedom of navigation on maritime issues , the United States, historically speaking that is, was never the one who initiated an invasion in China with an intent to conquor the Chinese state. The latter was a paradigm of Japanese foreign relations goals in the Asian mainland from the late 19th century to the mid 20th century.

I could be wrong, my friend, afterall I am in no ways Mr. Mike nor can i telepathically read his thoughts, lol.
Leaders of China, S Korea and Japan meet in Seoul - Al Jazeera English
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With the same hand we talk of trade, with the same hand we talk of defense needs. Such is the practice of mature nations, my friend.

The Chinese and South Koreans know the Japan they are dealing with now is not the same pre-Collective Self Defense Japan. Our East Asian friends respect only strength and resolute will. Such is the way. Such has it ever was.
well they fear your pokemon monsters :D you conquered world with pokemon, God knows what you have in secret which are yet to be revealed.
 
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Because little players might turn out to be rogue states like Pakistan that are willing to play nuclear footsie with anyone willing to pay. Irresponsibility has its own costs.



Where did I say Chinese nuclear activities were in the 70s?

Document 1: Thomas Hughes, Director of Intelligence and Research, U.S. Department of State, to Director of Central Intelligence, W.F. Raborn, 21 July 1965, enclosing paper on U.S.-Pakistan policy problems, Secret
Source: U.S. National Archives, CIA Research Tool (CREST)


Well before Washington was concerned about Chinese nuclear sharing with Pakistan, U.S. government officials worried about the close China-Pakistan relationship. During the mid-1960s, when the Johnson administration was escalating the Vietnam War and U.S.-China relations remained tense, top policymakers defined Pakistan as a problem. Not only were the Pakistanis loosening security ties with the United States and keeping their distance from U.S. Vietnam policy, the White House and the State Department believed that they were getting too close to China, even to the point of allegedly signing a secret security understanding with Beijing. (Note 8) That the two neighboring countries had highly tense relations with India was central to their close cooperation, but that did not make the Johnson administration any more sympathetic. Significantly, a Pakistani effort to convey a message from Beijing warning Washington about the Vietnam War failed when President Johnson canceled Ayub Khan's visit. Not long before Hughes sent this paper to CIA, President Johnson decided to cut signal displeasure over Pakistan's tilt to Beijing by postponing a meeting of the aid consortium, which had provided a forum for U.S. pledges of economic aid. Tensions would grow during the following months as an India-Pakistan crisis over Kashmir broke out, which threatened to bring in the Chinese. (Note 9)

Document 2: George C. Denney, Deputy Director of Intelligence and Research, U.S. Department of State, to Secretary Rusk, "Pakistan and Communist China Strengthen Cooperation," 4 December 1968, Secret
Source: U.S. National Archives, Record Group 59, Records of the Department of State, Subject-Numeric Files, 1967-1969, POL 1 Chicom-Pak


The Johnson administration would continue to be troubled by signs of close and highly secret cooperation between China and Pakistan. Not only were border and military cooperation growing, apparently the Pakistani military had given the Chinese access to U.S. F-104 supersonic fighter aircraft, in violation of the acceptance agreement with the Pentagon. This generosity made the Chinese just as obliging in providing substantial interest free loans. No doubt, realpolitik accounted for this neighborliness. As INR noted, China was willing to "overlook ideological factors in dealing with Pakistan." As this document was written, the Nixon administration was coming to power. Ironically, it was the close China-Pakistan relationship that would serve the Nixon administration so well when it began its search for secret back channels to convey its strong interest in rapprochement with Beijing. Indeed, suspicions of Pakistan dissolved as the Nixon administration tilted policy toward Pakistan, for example, during the 1971 South Asian war. (Note 10)

Document 3: " Proposed Cable to Tehran on Pakistani Nuclear Processing," 12 May 1976, Secret
Source: National Archives, Records of the State Department, Record Group 59, Office of the Counselor, 1955-1977, box 3, Chron-Official April-June 1976


During the mid-1970s, in the wake of India's "peaceful" nuclear explosion, nuclear proliferation concerns grew as governments in Asia (Taiwan, South Korea and Pakistan) and Latin America (Argentina and Brazil) showed interest in acquiring weapons capabilities. Moreover, growing competition among national nuclear power industries and increased interest in nuclear energy raised intense concerns about "safeguarding" nuclear reactor exports so they were not used for military purposes. One issue that emerged during 1976 was Pakistan's quest for nuclear reprocessing facilities as part of a program to acquire nuclear weapons fuel. During this meeting, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and State Department advisers discussed the difficult problems raised by Pakistan's nuclear weapons ambitions. One interesting sidelight was the brief mention of intelligence reporting on Pakistan-Libyan discussions of nuclear cooperation. Another subject of discussion was the negotiations between Iran and the United States on nuclear cooperation and the newly proposed "Symington Amendment" which aimed at cutting off U.S. military aid to countries that engaged in unsafeguarded nuclear activities.

Document 4: Secretary of State Cyrus Vance to National Security Assistant Zbigniew Brzezinski, "Nuclear Safeguards - Pakistan, South Africa, China," 14 July 1977, Secret
Source: State Department Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Release


By the time that the Jimmy Carter administration had come to power in early 1977, the U.S. had working relations with China and full diplomatic relations would go into effect later in 1978. One of the major issues that President Carter had campaigned on was the problem of nuclear proliferation. After he came to power, the Pakistani nuclear program remained worrisome, as indicated by Secretary of State Vance, who supported initiatives to constrain Pakistan's access to nuclear fuel fabrication services. In this way, Vance hoped to encourage Pakistan to cancel or postpone its reprocessing project. As he noted, one problem was a pending deal with the French for a reprocessing plant at Chashma; the French wanted to disengage from the contract and were already dragging their feet on it. Another complicating factor was China, which was starting to offer fuel services and technical assistance to Pakistan's KANUPP heavy water reactor (whose fuel would later be a source of plutonium). China's assistance made it important, Vance observed, to share U.S. disquiet about nuclear proliferation with the Chinese. In any event, when it was evident that the Pakistanis were pushing the French to make good on the reprocessing contract, Carter and his advisers had decided that Islamabad was going too far. In September 1977, without invoking the Symington amendment, the administration cut off military and economic aid to Pakistan. (Note 11)

Document 5: State Department cable to U.S. Embassy, Austria, "Pakistan Nuclear Issue: Briefing of IAEA Director General Eklund", 9 July 1979, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Later in 1978, when the French drastically slowed down work on the Chashma plant, the Carter administration restored aid to Pakistan. Nevertheless, the Pakistanis pursued alternative strategies for acquiring nuclear fuels leading Carter to formally invoke the Symington amendment in the spring of 1979 and cut off economic and military aid for the second time. In June 1979, Carter's top diplomatic representative on nuclear proliferation issues, Ambassador-at-Large Gerard C. Smith (who had negotiated the SALT I agreement),briefed the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Sigvard Eklund, on the latest evidence on Pakistan's efforts to develop reprocessing facilities and acquire technology for centrifuge machines (for producing highly enriched uranium). (Robert Galluci, then with the State Department Policy Planning Staff, provided the detailed briefing, not included in the text of this document). In a later meeting, Smith expressed some optimism that there was "some time" to stop the Pakistani program but Eklund was not so sanguine. Plainly a believer in peaceful nuclear power, Eklund was most worried that "a Pakistani explosive capability [was] a serious threat to nuclear power programs of the future."

Document 6: Friday Morning Session, September 14, 1979, General Advisory Committee on Arms Control and Disarmament, Secret, Excised Copy, Excerpt
Source: State Department FOIA Release


The General Advisory Committee (GAC) on Arms Control and Disarmament was a high-level presidentially-appointed body of former officials and scientific experts that offered policy advice to the White House, the State Department, and the former Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (ACDA). Created during the 1960s, its first chairman was the quintessential establishment figure John J. McCloy. During the Carter years Thomas Watson (Nixon's second ambassador to France) chaired the GAC; other members were McGeorge Bundy, Brent Scowcroft, Wolfgang Panofsky, and Paul Doty. When the committee met on 14 September 1979, nuclear proliferation was high on the agenda, with the assistant director of ACDA's Non-Proliferation Bureau, Charles Van Doren, providing a detailed briefing on the "immediate tough cases." Pakistan headed the list--the "makings ….of another Indian disaster"--and Van Doren reviewed efforts at "slowing down the process", the impact of the Symington amendment, the implications for global nuclear commerce, and apparent Israeli consideration of military action against Pakistan. The United States itself had not discussed "preemption plans." Van Doren also reviewed China's ambivalence: on the one hand, he did not believe they were doing anything to "help" with Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, but on the other hand, Beijing was advising the United States to help Pakistan against the "Soviet peril" and refrain from punitive action: "cutting off your nose to spite your face." When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in December the Carter administration would decide that Beijing's advice was correct. In the light of the invasion, Pakistan looked more like an ally than a wayward client and the administration approved an indefinite waiver of Symington amendment sanctions so long as Pakistan did not actually test a nuclear weapon. (Note 12)

Document 7: "Secretary's Talking Points: U.S.-China Relations," June 1981, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


The Reagan administration intensified cooperation with Pakistan against the Soviet presence in Afghanistan and, like its predecessor, gave a pass on suspect nuclear activities so that it could funnel support for Afghan rebels through Pakistan. Yet, it also sustained some quiet and not very successful attempts to tighten up controls of third party exports to slow down Pakistan's nuclear progress. In keeping with this, the Reagan administration sought to discourage Chinese nuclear sharing with Pakistan. When Secretary of State Alexander Haig met with Deng Xiaoping and other top officials in June 1981, one item on his agenda was nuclear proliferation. While the briefing paper does not directly mention Chinese aid to Pakistan in that connection, it does specify concerns about China's exports to Argentina and South Africa of unsafeguarded uranium and heavy water. "These and similar exports elsewhere could contribute to the spread of nuclear explosives, undermining regional stability." Then the paper mentioned the political damage that a Pakistani nuclear test could cause. That may have been a veiled way of cautioning the Chinese not to assist Pakistan's nuclear program.

Document 8: U.S. embassy China cable 17090 to State Department, "Arms Control and Disarmament," 17 December 1982, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


By late 1982, and probably earlier, the Reagan administration had asked Chinese diplomats if Beijing was aiding Pakistan's nuclear program but it was not getting any answers. Haig's successor, George Shultz, was gearing up for a trip to Beijing and nuclear proliferation was on his agenda for the discussion. This cable, prepared for briefing Shultz, shows that concern about unsafeguarded exports of uranium and heavy water persisted even though the Chinese were privately arguing that they had not, and would not, "assist any country in developing nuclear weapons." According to Ambassador Arthur Hummel, Chinese officials were unresponsive to U.S. pleas for "adequate safeguard" or other specific cooperation on nuclear exports. Moreover, "The Chinese have also refused to give us an unequivocal answer that they are not assisting Pakistan's reported efforts to manufacture a nuclear explosive device."

Document 9: U.S. embassy China cable 17168 to State Department, "U.S.-PRC Nuclear Cooperation -- Or the Lack of It," 18 December 1982, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA Release


A cable sent by Hummel the next day gave some of the broad context for U.S. concerns about China's policy on nuclear proliferation. On the one hand, the Embassy was aware that Chinese economic development plans required huge inputs of electrical energy and that Beijing was banking on nuclear power to make development possible. In this connection, the Embassy observed that there were billions of dollars in possible U.S. contracts for the Chinese reactor market, for which U.S. companies like Westinghouse were competing. On the other hand, the Chinese were themselves getting involved in the nuclear export business as a way to earn needed foreign currencies that could underwrite imports. As indicated earlier, the U.S. government suspected Chinese nuclear sales to Argentina and South Africa and held "suspicions" that Beijing was providing "weapons-related know-how" to Pakistan. To get control of this problem as well as meet the U.S.'s own nuclear export goals, the Embassy recommended greater nuclear cooperation: "a U.S. nuclear policy … that will encourage China to keep in close touch with us on nuclear issues, through channels established by cooperation and understanding." This was part of the thinking that led to the eventual U.S.-China negotiations on nuclear cooperation that was formalized by a 1985 agreement. To ensure that Beijing's and Washington's thinking on nuclear proliferation was compatible, this was a major subject of discussion in the negotiations on nuclear cooperation that began in July 1983.

Document 10: State Department cable 348835 to U.S. Embassy Pakistan,
"Newsweek Article on Chinese Nuclear Cooperation with Pakistan," 18 December 1982, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Just as Hummel was signing off on cables indicating doubts about China's assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons project, Newsweek was running a story highlighting the problem. Pakistani authorities denied the story, which included a reference to an alleged theft by a Pakistani scientist of "information on uranium enrichment technology from a nuclear installation in the Netherlands." It is now well known that the Pakistani scientist was none other than Abdul Qadeer Khan. (Note 13)

Document 11: U.S. State Department, "The Pakistani Nuclear Program," 22 June 1983, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release (Note 14)


As if someone at high levels needed convincing about Pakistan's nuclear activities, six months later a State Department briefing paper opened with this emphatic language: "There is unambiguous evidence that Pakistan is actively pursuing a nuclear weapons development program." After detailing the elements of the weapons program, the report expressed confidence that China had played a significant role in Pakistan's effort to build a bomb. While Pakistan had far to go before it possessed nuclear weapons, China had provided assistance with the production of fissile materials and possibly in "nuclear device design."

Document 12: Memorandum from Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Paul Wolfowitz to Deputy Secretary of State Kenneth Dam, "The Secretary's Meeting with Premier Zhao - Nuclear Cooperation," 10 January 1984, with attachments, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


In January 1984, Beijing and Washington tried to put the Pakistan problem behind them. As a sign that it was paying more attention to nuclear proliferation concerns, that month China joined the IAEA. In addition, Premier Zhao Ziyang traveled to Washington for talks touching upon nuclear proliferation and the proposed U.S.-China nuclear cooperation agreement. Because Beijing sought access to U.S. reactor technology and Washington wanted to expedite sales as well as receive assurances that China would not facilitate weapons proliferation, the Chinese agreed to make a public statement that spoke to U.S. concerns. As Wolfowitz observed, the statement was designed to "resolve the concern which arose from past Chinese assistance to Pakistan." The next problem was to ensure that an agreement was consistent with the Atomic Energy Act which insisted that Washington have "consent rights" concerning the disposition of nuclear materials.

Document 13: U.S. Embassy China cable 00644 to State Department, "Premier Zhao's Statement on Non-Proliferation Published in Beijing," 12 January 1984, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA Release


As promised, during the White House banquet premier Zhao's toast included a statement that "we do not engage in nuclear proliferation ourselves, or do we help other countries develop nuclear weapons." The embassy gave a positive spin to Zhao's statement, suggesting that the "Premier's statement that China will [emphasis added] neither engage in nuclear proliferation nor assist any other nation to obtain nuclear weapons" was an important step forward from previous "less-definite" language. But as the marginal comment indicated, Zhao's statement did not cover future activities. Apparently, however, when U.S. officials made an attempt to get private clarification of this point, the Chinese agreed that it did apply to the future. The Reagan administration, however, never got such a statement in writing. (Note 15)

Document 14: U.S. Embassy India cable 14048 to State Department, "News Reports of Pakistan Nuclear Capabilities," 22 June 1984, Unclassified
Source: State Department FOIA release


As this cable indicates, Zhao's declaration hardly reduced skepticism of Bejing's nuclear policies and influential members of Congress kept allegations of Chinese-Pakistan nuclear cooperation in the news. Moreover, the Reagan administration wanted assurances that Beijing and Washington meant the same thing by "assist." Clarification of that and related issues made it possible for the two parties to wrap up the negotiation of the nuclear cooperation agreement. But Congressional reservations would have a significant impact on the prospects for U.S.-China nuclear cooperation. The 1985 agreement included language prohibiting the diversion to military uses of material produced by U.S.-supplied reactors, but there was no broader policy commitment on nuclear proliferation. That was exactly what Congress wanted and the joint approval resolution on the agreement made implementation dependent on presidential certification. Before any reactors could be sold, China would have to provide information on its nuclear nonproliferation policies confirming that it was doing nothing "violation of section 129 of the 1954 Atomic Energy Act, which requires termination of US nuclear exports to countries that help non-nuclear weapons states acquire nuclear weapons capabilities." No president, however, was able to certify that Chinese policies were compatible with the Atomic Energy Act until 1997. (Note 16)

Document 15: U.S. Embassy China cable 24244 to State Department, "Pakistan Foreign Minister Visits PRC: Nuclear Cooperation and Afghanistan," 29 September 1986, Confidential, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


That the Chinese were sensitive to Congressional criticism of their nuclear policy is evident in this discussion of the 1986 signing of a China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation agreement. Thus, the Chinese saw the agreement as important to "underline the peaceful nature of Sino-Pakistani nuclear cooperation", to dispel "irresponsible rumors," and provide an occasion for reiterating the PRC's non-proliferation policy. At the same time, however, Beijing remained publicly critical of the NPT because it was "discriminatory" against non-nuclear states. In the meantime, Congress tried to find ways to express concerns about Pakistan's nuclear status without jeopardizing U.S. Afghanistan policy. The result was the Pressler amendment (1985), a far less stringent version of the Symington amendment. Under Pressler, economic aid and government military sales would continue as long as the President could certify that Pakistan had not assembled a nuclear device. (Note 17)

Document 16: U.S. State Department Briefing Papers, "The President's Meeting with President Yang Shangkun," 8 February 1989, Secret
Source: State Department FOIA release


Lingering suspicions over the degree of China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation encouraged the State Department's China Desk to raise the problem in material prepared for President George H.W. Bush's visit to China, where he would meet China's president, Yang Shangkun, among other senior officials. Yang, an influential military man (who would soon help orchestrate the crackdown at Tiananmen Square) played an important role in military sales policy. (Note 18) For the State Department, a discussion with Yang provided an opportunity to emphasize the U.S. interest in the military dimension of U.S.-China relations but also to convey "concerns over the global dangers of nuclear, missile, and chemical weapons proliferation." By then Washington was also worried about Chinese missile sales, for example, to Saudi Arabia, and working to influence Beijing to comply with the nascent Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). With respect to Pakistan, "our concern focuses on reports over a number of years of Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program." Whether or how Bush or his Secretary of State dealt with those issues in his talks with Yang is yet to be disclosed.

Document 17: U.S. Embassy China Cable 14868 to State Department, "Ranking MFA Official on PRC Nuclear Matters: No Proliferation or Subs for Pakistan; Zip for Pyongyang," 30 May 1989, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


If Bush or Secretary of State Baker raised questions about China's stance on nuclear proliferation, they may have rankled Foreign Ministry officials. At a meeting held days before the Tiananmen Square events, an unidentified Chinese diplomat denied the rumors that China had helped Pakistan develop nuclear weapons and observed that since Beijing's accession to the IAEA, any country with which China was engaging in nuclear cooperation had to accept safeguards on fuels and technology. He also denied another rumor--Chinese cooperation with Pakistan on nuclear submarine technology--this was most unlikely, he claimed, because the "PRC is certainly the most backward in those technologies." (Note 19) The diplomat restated the Zhao declaration adding that "one could even say that China opposes nuclear proliferation," despite the PRC's opposition to the NPT.

Document 18: U.S. Department of State, Office of Non-Proliferation and Export Technology, "U.S. Interaction with the PRC Concerning the PRC's Nuclear Relationship with Pakistan," 28 November 1989, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


This heavily excised paper provides some background on the negotiation of the nuclear cooperation agreement although the material relating to its implementation and any specifics on Pakistan is withheld. Whatever this paper may have concluded, the Bush administration would determine the following year that it could not certify that Pakistan was in compliance with Pressler amendment requirements. In the light of Pakistani decisions to assemble several nuclear cores and an intelligence establishment consensus that this had indeed happened, President Bush withheld the necessary certification, thus triggering a suspension of military and economic aid. Facilitating this decision was the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, which seemingly reduced Pakistan's strategic importance. This action produced an angry reaction in Pakistan where authorities continued the drive toward a nuclear capability. (Note 20)

Document 19: U.S. Embassy China Cable 1884, "Proliferation Issues: The View from Beijing Looks Grim," 16 April 1991, Confidential, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


In this update, the Embassy summarized China's official position on nuclear proliferation and nuclear exports including Beijing's routine demurrals that it had given any assistance to Pakistan's weapons program or that it was anything less than aboveboard in applying IAAEA safeguards on nuclear projects with Pakistan and Algeria. (Note 21) While the Chinese professed concern about a South Asian nuclear arms race, they argued that Pakistan's nuclear program was basically "defensive" and a "check" against Indian "hegemonism" in the region, which China also opposed. Beijing also rejected New Delhi's arguments that it was the PRC nuclear arsenal that had motivated the Indian program. The Chinese were not about to put their nuclear arsenal on the table and believed that only the superpowers--the United States and the (soon to be former) Soviet Union--could broker a deal. Thus, Beijing was "unresponsive to our attempts to engage them on South Asian nuclear proliferation."

Document 20: Department of State cable 09394 to U.S. Embassy China, "China's Nuclear Reactor Deal with Pakistan; Chinese Steps Toward Joining NPT," 10 January 1992, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA release


The news that a major nuclear export from China to Pakistan--a 388 megawatt nuclear power plant--was in the works produced concerns that the Chinese safeguards were not tough enough to prevent diversion of nuclear resources to the Pakistani weapons program. Thus, the Department instructed Embassy officials to express regret that the Chinese were not treating "full-scope safeguards"--ensuring non-diversion of resources from the Pakistani nuclear power program to the non-safeguarded weapons program--as a condition for the sale. Such safeguards had become a standard for the Nuclear Suppliers Group which tried to provide international regulation for nuclear exports. On a more positive note, the Department asked the Embassy to preface those concerns by expressing satisfaction that China's National Peoples Congress had made a decision that China would adhere to the NPT, which became official in March 1992. With this move, China was starting to join the world in a critically important area although Beijing's adherence to new standards of nonproliferation policy would not occur overnight.

Document 21: U.S. Embassy China cable 01109 to State Department, "China's Nuclear Deal with Pakistan -- Demarche Delivered," 14 January 1992, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA release


Several days later, an Embassy representative presented the Ministry of Foreign Affairs with the demarche on the reactor deal with Pakistan. Wu Chengjiang, the Foreign Ministry expert on nuclear proliferation matters, observed that Beijing would apply IAEA safeguards to the reactor sale and that the NPT did not require full-scope safeguards. Further, Wu argued, Beijing needed to make the sale, which would benefit Pakistan's economic development. The embassy official nevertheless maintained that full-scope safeguards were necessary for reactor sales to Pakistan because of the "proliferation concern." Washington would continue to press Beijing on this issue.

Document 22: U.S. Embassy China cable 02139 to State Department, "Recent Nuclear Developments in China," 24 January 1992 [incomplete document], Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA release


Other countries took a parallel position to Washington's on the reactor sale to Pakistan; paragraph 5 of the cable reports on a recent Chinese discussion with a German company of the possible sale of cooling equipment for the Pakistan reactor. The Germans would not quote a price and informed the Chinese that the West German government would not provide an export license without adequate safeguards. The German businessmen agreed to quote a price, however, when the Chinese representative said that he wanted to get the same item for a Chinese reactor to be built later in the decade. That some Chinese officials recognized they had been playing outside of the nonproliferation rules is evident in the reported reaction to a French demarche about Chinese nuclear activities in Algeria: "We got caught this time in Algeria, but this will not happen again"--a double entendre that did not reassure the French.

Document 23: U.S. Embassy China cable 025699, "ACDA Director Lehman's Beijing Consultations: Non-CWC Topics," 19 August 1992, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA release


The Bush administration saw 1992 as a year of progress in cooperation with China on nuclear proliferation and regional security issues. A visit to China by ACDA director Ronald Lehman would involve more talk on full-scope safeguards, but also expressions of appreciation for Beijing's decision to join the NPT, its helpfulness on the festering North Korean nuclear issue, and the decision to participate in talks on South Asia. Nevertheless, Lehman reported that Washington was "still concerned about reports of Chinese involvement in Pakistan's nuclear weapons program." Plainly, that was an issue that time had not settled.

Document 24: U.S. Embassy China cable 037741, "Chinese Views on NPT Extension," 25 November 1992, Confidential
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Not long after Beijing signed the NPT, the problem of treaty extension was on the international agenda, with plans for a 1995 conference under way. In November the Chinese hosted a conference on arms control where relatively frank Chinese assessments of the NPT shed some light on older internal debates, motivations for signing the treaty, and reactions to U.S. pressure on the China-Pakistan nuclear connection. Unfortunately, this cable was transmitted in somewhat garbled form (see paragraph 6, first sentence), but the discussion in that paragraph suggests why some Chinese officials may have thought it legitimate for Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons. Some of the Chinese argued that the U.S.-Soviet nuclear standoff had produced "a de facto political stability that prevented direct conflict." If that was good enough for Moscow and Washington should not "other rival states", such as India and Pakistan, have the "same chance to prevent conflict." This was a minority view at the conference but it may have been close to the thinking of those elements in the government that had supported nuclear assistance to Pakistan.

Document 25: U.S. State Department Briefing Paper, "China," circa December 1992, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA Release


China policy would be a significant issue for the incoming Clinton administration which, like its predecessors, would have to balance nuclear proliferation concerns with trade, human rights, missile proliferation, and other issues. This briefing paper, prepared for incoming Secretary of State Warren Christopher, provides an overview of China's evolving approach to nuclear proliferation and non-proliferation. China's uneven commitment to nuclear nonproliferation was plainly troubling, as evidenced by the discussion of Beijing's aid to Algerian and Iranian nuclear programs. The China-Pakistan nuclear relationship remained a top concern; not only the problem of full-scope safeguards on reactor sales, but also "continuing activities with Pakistan's nuclear weapons program." The briefing paper included recommendations on "tools", "starting minimally and then increasing in severity," that could be used to ensure Chinese compliance with "minimum standards" of nonproliferation policy. The recommendations are heavily excised in this version and it is obscure how the Clinton administration conducted itself in the behind-the-scenes diplomacy of nuclear nonproliferation policy. Nevertheless, as the following documents suggests, by 1997 the administration was confident that the problem of Chinese cooperation with Pakistan's nuclear weapons activity had been resolved.

Document 26: "Classified Report to Congress on the Non-Proliferation and Practices of the People's Republic of China," 1997, Secret, excised copy
Source: State Department FOIA Release


Twelve years after the U.S. and China signed the nuclear cooperation agreement, a U.S. president certified that Beijing's nuclear policies complied with Congressional nonproliferation requirements. Pressure from the U.S. nuclear energy complex was an important element in the decision but the Clinton administration argued that changes in Chinese conduct justified the finding. An important section in this heavily excised report (only one and a half secret paragraphs were declassified) was a discussion of the China-Pakistan relationship. While the Chinese would never publicly declare that they had aided Pakistan, new charges of illicit sales--of ring magnets and a special industrial furnace--were surfacing, (Note 22) and further U.S. demarches produced a May 1996 public declaration that China would not assist unsafeguarded nuclear facilities. Nevertheless, intelligence intercepts unwisely published by Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz suggest that only months after that declaration the Chinese, through the China Nuclear Energy Industry Corporation, were still making deals with the Pakistanis although it remains unclear whether the transactions were completed. (Note 23) Whether the White House used this discovery to stimulate stronger nonproliferation commitments from the Chinese is unclear. In any event, the Clinton administration soon become that Chinese policies had changed for the better and the following year reported so to Congress. According to the 1997 certification, "we have no direct evidence that China has transferred equipment or material to Pakistan's unsafeguarded nuclear program since that time, and we have no basis for concluding that China is not honoring its pledge." Although some Republican critics would argue that China remained in defiance of the NPT, the Clinton White House rested its case; the Republicans could not overturn the certification. Thus, the huge Chinese market for U.S. nuclear reactor technology was officially open. (Note 24)

President Clinton's decision did not mean that the China-Pakistan nuclear issue had simply gone away. Months later, the Christian Science Monitor reported that U.S. intelligence had picked up signs that Chinese companies were trying to sell equipment for Iran's and Pakistan's nuclear programs. Apparently, the U.S. government reported the information to Beijing, which took steps to halt the transactions. (Note 25) Yet the certification of Beijing's nonproliferation policy by no means dispelled the nuclear problem in U.S.-China relations. During 1998, accusations of Chinese espionage would fill front pages as would a flap over the U.S. satellite technology to China. In more recent years, DCI Tenet's semi-annual unclassified reports to Congress on weapons of mass destruction proliferation show continuing wariness about the China. (Note 26)

That China's aid to Pakistan had the most negative consequences became evident in May 1998, when both India and Pakistan held nuclear weapons tests and more recently with more and more disclosures on Pakistan's role as a super-proliferator. China expressed "deep regret" over the former and the Foreign Ministry is now investigating the latter. To what degree Beijing will disclose the background of its nuclear relationship with Pakistan remains to be seen.



you are way out of your depth here. Seemingly clever, yet circular arguments cannot substitute for facts, something you are obviously yet to learn.

Did you even read the shyt you posted ?

Pak-China peaceful nuclea cooperation happening in 1986 and China giving access and all in 1987 to USA .. No evidence ... And clearified that China didn't transfer any nuclear "know how" to Pakistan?

Douchebag Pak had opened its nuclear sites to IAEA and it was than that our scientists and technicians were trained .. All you have is suspicioun tht China helped Pak,Iran and other countries by "selling" equipment like magnetic rings etc with no knowledge of the transactions ever took place !

Pakistan had developed nukes by 82.. Conducting a cold test in 83 ..And had started the program in 72!

So much for your fukin evidence... Reactors an nuclear training BS!

Do you want me to spoon few you by highlighting that Aswell!
 
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