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China’s Uighur Unrest Is Opportunity for Afghans
By MATTHEW ROSENBERG
NOV. 5, 2014

KABUL, Afghanistan — Since the British first tried and failed to subdue Afghanistan in the 19th century, stumbling into a costly Afghan war seems to have become a mandatory step for global power players. The Soviet Union did it in the 1980s, and the American battle here has passed the 13-year mark.

Now, China seems to be taking its turn in coming to grips with Afghanistan’s role in its national security.

No one expects China to be sending troops any time soon, even with the United States and NATO pulling out the last of their combat forces at year’s end. But China has taken a major step in formalizing closer relations with the Afghan government: Last week, it said it planned to provide billions of dollars in new economic and security assistance.

That is being taken as good news by American officials, who have sought to encourage China to take a larger role in Afghanistan beyond just trying to develop the country’s mineral wealth. And Afghan officials, whose economy is in dire shape and whose government is struggling to pay its bills, are eager to find a new source of aid and investment.

A major factor in China’s stepped-up involvement with Afghanistan is a growing alarm in Beijing over Islamist militancy among Uighurs, a Muslim ethnic group from northwestern China, analysts say.

Since 2001, a smattering of Uighur militants have fought in Afghanistan and elsewhere. And Chinese officials blame a Uighur separatist group, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, for a spate of attacks that have killed hundreds of people in China over the past two years.

Some experts say Chinese fears that the Uighur separatist cause might spread widely among other militant groups are overblown. But where some see unfounded fears, the Afghans have sensed an opportunity to secure a new, rich benefactor.

Further, interviews with Afghan officials suggest that they also hope to use the presence of Uighur militants here to drive a wedge between China and Pakistan, which has aided and sheltered the Taliban in the past and is a longstanding ally of Beijing.

In the past year, Afghanistan’s main intelligence agency, the National Directorate of Security, has persistently flagged to Beijing each and every one of the dozens of Uighurs who it says were caught by Afghan forces fighting inside the country. And Afghan and Western officials familiar with the effort say that the intelligence agency has painstakingly prepared dossiers for Chinese officials, laying out evidence tracing the militants back to Islamist training camps inside Pakistan.

The subject was atop the agenda last month when Rahmatullah Nabil, the acting director of the Afghan intelligence agency, quietly visited Beijing before President Ashraf Ghani’s first state trip to China, officials familiar with the negotiations said.

Then, after a meeting last week between Mr. Ghani and President Xi Jinping in Beijing, Chinese officials said the two had agreed to jointly press the fight against Uighur militants.

“In the area of security, President Ghani expressed readiness and staunch support from the Afghan side in China’s fight against East Turkestan Islamic Movement terrorist forces,” Kong Xuanyou, a Chinese Foreign Ministry official, told reporters after the meeting, according to Reuters.

Mr. Nabil said it was “a big achievement” that the Chinese government was now listening to the Afghans about Uighurs who were being trained in Pakistan.

“A big number of Uighurs were arrested, and during the investigation they were talking about where they received training, how they received training,” he said in an interview before his most recent visit to China. “We think they are preparing themselves, which is a big issue for the Chinese.”

He added that the new Afghan government was trying “to manage” the issue, which is precisely what Mr. Ghani appears to have done during his visit to Beijing. There, China pledged nearly $330 million in aid through 2017, a sharp jump from the $250 million it had provided in the past 13 years.

China also said it was planning new commercial investments along with an unspecified amount of increased security assistance. Afghan officials say that aid will go far beyond the limited help Beijing had previously provided, much of which focused on counternarcotics efforts.

But in doing so, China will also take on bigger risks. So far, the Chinese government has found only trouble with its limited investments in Afghanistan. Its most significant investment to date was a $3 billion concession awarded to the China Metallurgical group to mine a rich vein of copper in an area south of Kabul that is thick with Taliban.

That was seven years ago. And in the intervening years, the Chinese have done little to move forward with the project, put off by the threat of Taliban attacks and the general chaos of doing business in Afghanistan. Commitments to build housing for villagers who would be displaced by the mine and to build a railway line and a 400-megawatt power plant have yet to be fulfilled. Afghan officials have in the past year talked of possibly renegotiating the contract.

Still, Mr. Ghani unsurprisingly struck a positive note about China’s newfound willingness to aid Afghanistan upon his return home last weekend.

A closer relationship, he told reporters, would help Afghanistan toward becoming “an intersection for Asia, as it was during the time of the Silk Road.”

Yet the importance of the ancient network of routes that connected Europe and Asia began nose-diving around the time the Portuguese mastered the compass, opening sea lanes that could connect the far corners of Europe with the outer reaches of Asia. It quickly became clear that the risk posed by pirates was more manageable than the bandits and unreliable tribes whose main source of wealth was plundering caravans as they lumbered across the mountains and deserts of Central Asia.

The camel caravans were long ago replaced by trucks. But the banditry remains, and the raging Taliban insurgency has left stretches of the old Silk Road as dangerous as they have ever been. American projects aimed at creating what officials liked to call a New Silk Road in the past 13 years have yielded little beyond talk and misspent money.

Mr. Ghani, in his comments to reporters, acknowledged that peace was needed to ensure any kind of sustained economic development in Afghanistan, be it spurred by Chinese renminbi or American dollars.

Asked directly about whether he had asked China to become more involved in putting pressure on the Taliban — and in pressing Pakistan to do more to push the Taliban’s leadership to negotiate — Mr. Ghani was careful to avoid specifics. Instead, he spoke of the miseries of war and said, “We are tired of blood.”

Then he added, “The only one who can be effective in peace is the one who has good relations with all sides.”
 
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Further, interviews with Afghan officials suggest that they also hope to use the presence of Uighur militants here to drive a wedge between China and Pakistan
These Afghans are not learning...still trying to damage Pakistan wherever they can
PATHETIC people !
 
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These Afghans are not learning...still trying to damage Pakistan wherever they can
PATHETIC people !
It goes both way, they are doing back to you what you have been doing to them for over 20 years. I think things will get worse after December, and if things dont improve by 2016 when the residual US forces are scheduled to leave Afghanistan (unless they again extend their stay) it might get worse still, maybe war one day.

I dont understand why the two country's dont come to a compromise over territory disputes. Why doesnt Pakistan just cede the so-called FATA back to Afghanistan in exchange for Afghanistan recognizing the rest of the border with Pakistan? That would save Pakistan's government the trouble of having to take responsibility for tribal lands that it does not control and has not been able to integrate while giving the local people unification with their tribal kin on the other side of the border but forcing Kabul and US forces to take full responsibility over this region and the question of permanently eliminating its terrorist infrastructure.
 
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It goes both way, they are doing back to you what you have been doing to them for over 20 years. I think things will get worse after December, and if things dont improve by 2016 when the residual US forces are scheduled to leave Afghanistan (unless they again extend their stay) it might get worse still, maybe war one day.

I dont understand why the two country's dont come to a compromise over territory disputes. Why doesnt Pakistan just cede the so-called FATA back to Afghanistan in exchange for Afghanistan recognizing the rest of the border with Pakistan? That would save Pakistan's government the trouble of having to take responsibility for tribal lands that it does not control and has not been able to integrate while giving the local people unification with their tribal kin on the other side of the border but forcing Kabul and US forces to take full responsibility over this region and the question of permanently eliminating its terrorist infrastructure.

Perhaps the mirror argument is also valid that Afghanistan should ceded the Pashtun areas to Pakistan so that they all can be re-united with they kith and kin. Sistan-Blauchistan to Pakistan too ... anybody?
 
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Perhaps the mirror argument is also valid that Afghanistan should ceded the Pashtun areas to Pakistan so that they all can be re-united with they kith and kin. Sistan-Blauchistan to Pakistan too ... anybody?
Pakistan has no claim over any Afghan territory, nor does it try to claim any, so your suggestion is the realm of fantasy. Lets talk about reality. Its Afghanistan that doesnt recognize the border and has some historical basis for a claim over at least FATA. Pakistan has failed to integrate FATA and its claim to exercise sovereignty over this territory is laughable. Similarly, Pakistan derives no benefit from this region either economically or politically and the people who inhabit it dont recognize Pakistani borders or laws. As such, why not return it to Afghanistan in exchange for Afghan recognition of the rest of the border and a commitment to reintegrate its refugees and put an end to illegal border crossings.

Without any compromises, there will be perpetual conflict between those two country's.
 
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Pakistan has no claim over any Afghan territory, nor does it try to claim any, so your suggestion is the realm of fantasy. Lets talk about reality. Its Afghanistan that doesnt recognize the border and has some historical basis for a claim over at least FATA. Pakistan has failed to integrate FATA and its claim to exercise sovereignty over this territory is laughable. Similarly, Pakistan derives no benefit from this region either economically or politically and the people who inhabit it dont recognize Pakistani borders or laws. As such, why not return it to Afghanistan in exchange for Afghan recognition of the rest of the border and a commitment to reintegrate its refugees and put an end to illegal border crossings.

Without any compromises, there will be perpetual conflict between those two country's.

Perhaps you're playing too much final fantasy
 
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Pakistan has no claim over any Afghan territory, nor does it try to claim any, so your suggestion is the realm of fantasy. Lets talk about reality. Its Afghanistan that doesnt recognize the border and has some historical basis for a claim over at least FATA. Pakistan has failed to integrate FATA and its claim to exercise sovereignty over this territory is laughable. Similarly, Pakistan derives no benefit from this region either economically or politically and the people who inhabit it dont recognize Pakistani borders or laws. As such, why not return it to Afghanistan in exchange for Afghan recognition of the rest of the border and a commitment to reintegrate its refugees and put an end to illegal border crossings.

Without any compromises, there will be perpetual conflict between those two country's.
Perhaps keeping Afghanistan in perpetual conflict is exactly what Pakistan (and Saudi Arabia) want, until the Taliban are brought back to power.
 
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Perhaps keeping Afghanistan in perpetual conflict is exactly what Pakistan (and Saudi Arabia) want, until the Taliban are brought back to power.
And you think the Iranian idea of support for minority as the ruling class fits so well with the majority..........The whole world is witnessing what Syria is going through.Likewise, for Afghanistan, It doesn't matter what Pakistan wants..........What matters is what the local majority seeks, if they don't want to be ruled by the American installed puppet regime constituting the minority factions, then there is going to be a struggle for power.
 
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Perhaps keeping Afghanistan in perpetual conflict is exactly what Pakistan (and Saudi Arabia) want, until the Taliban are brought back to power.
hey guess what the ppl accusing us of destabilizing Afghanistan have exactly the same ideas about you
Pentagon Says Iranian, Pakistani Policies Destabilize Afghanistan
from the pentagon report "the Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps "provides calibrated lethal aid to the Taliban" in a bid to speed the withdrawal of international forces from Afghanistan"

I think things will get worse after December, and if things dont improve by 2016
when the residual US forces are scheduled to leave Afghanistan (unless they again extend their stay) it might get worse still, maybe war one day.
Agreed !
Why doesnt Pakistan just cede the so-called FATA back to Afghanistan in exchange for Afghanistan recognizing the rest of the border with Pakistan?
:blink: :omghaha:
 
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Perhaps keeping Afghanistan in perpetual conflict is exactly what Pakistan (and Saudi Arabia) want, until the Taliban are brought back to power.

Perhaps, Pakistan should ruthlessly pursue her interests -- the Afghans are more than welcome to compromise.
 
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It goes both way, they are doing back to you what you have been doing to them for over 20 years. I think things will get worse after December, and if things dont improve by 2016 when the residual US forces are scheduled to leave Afghanistan (unless they again extend their stay) it might get worse still, maybe war one day.

I dont understand why the two country's dont come to a compromise over territory disputes. Why doesnt Pakistan just cede the so-called FATA back to Afghanistan in exchange for Afghanistan recognizing the rest of the border with Pakistan? That would save Pakistan's government the trouble of having to take responsibility for tribal lands that it does not control and has not been able to integrate while giving the local people unification with their tribal kin on the other side of the border but forcing Kabul and US forces to take full responsibility over this region and the question of permanently eliminating its terrorist infrastructure.
wow cool it man, if and when america leaves afghanistan after the defeat they suffered by afghanistan the people will b finally free to do what they eant ---and anote of caution to the americans , iranians snd indians probably the taliban will claim the only 10% they dont rule right now. Even during the might of nato ,us etc they controlled 90% of afhhanistan
and the puppet govt eill fallllll
 
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What exactly has Pakistan been doing to them, please elaborate a little.
Be serious.
Perhaps keeping Afghanistan in perpetual conflict is exactly what Pakistan (and Saudi Arabia) want, until the Taliban are brought back to power.
Im not sure that Saudi Arabia is interested in formenting too much conflct in Afghanistan because they know that the Taliban is pro-Al Qaeda so prolonged confilct there can come back to haunt them. Saudi Arabia may just try to undermine Iran-Afghanistan relations but they have no real foothold to do this anymore since Iran is already one of Afghanistan's biggest trading partner's and has heavily invested in Afghanistan's schools, universities, roads and media. Iran prints school text books for Afghanistan and even built a new university in Kabul several years ago. Iran is also the biggest donor of books and cultural relations with the main Kabul university and is heavily involved with the economies of Herat, Mazar-e Sharif, Balkh and Kabul.

It remains to be seen if Pakistani policy towards Afghanistan has changed and they drop the fantasy of trying to weaken the contry control it through proxies. That will be seen from 2015 onwards.

hey guess what the ppl accusing us of destabilizing Afghanistan have exactly the same ideas about you
Pentagon Says Iranian, Pakistani Policies Destabilize Afghanistan
from the pentagon report "the Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps "provides calibrated lethal aid to the Taliban" in a bid to speed the withdrawal of international forces from Afghanistan"
But that allegation still didnt stop the Pentagon from lobbying the US government to exempt Iranian investment in Afghanistan from US sanctions:

Pentagon Sought Sanctions Exemptions for Iranian Investment in Afghanistan

wow cool it man, if and when america leaves afghanistan after the defeat they suffered by afghanistan the people will b finally free to do what they eant ---and anote of caution to the americans , iranians snd indians probably the taliban will claim the only 10% they dont rule right now. Even during the might of nato ,us etc they controlled 90% of afhhanistan
and the puppet govt eill fallllll
What defeat has America suffered in Afghanistan? You may not have noticed, but the Taliban isnt in control of any major cities. Any time they have ever tried to take on the US with force they have been repelled and hundreds of Taliban killed.
 
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Be serious.
Just because you believe in something, it doesn't mean its true. Either provide something concrete to back your words or otherwise keep your deluded "reality-checks" to your self.
 
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Just because you believe in something, it doesn't mean its true. Either provide something concrete to back your words or otherwise keep your deluded "reality-checks" to your self.
I dont need to prove anything to you. Everybody already knows the history of Pakistani duplicity and belligerence in Afghanistan and that history is universally known and accepted. Bury your head in the ground if you want, i dont care.
 
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