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Anti-Chinese? or Pro-Human?
China’s repression of Uighurs won’t stop until the international community intervenes
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Anti-Chinese? or Pro-Human?
KhalaiMakhlooq
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Here's more than 7 reasons why anyone with links to China will never stand up for any form of truth even if they know it essentially rendering them to spineless lumps of flesh.
China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system — here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you
The "social credit system," first announced in 2014, aims to reinforce the idea that "keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful," according to a government document.
The program is due to be fully operational nationwide by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people across the country already. The scheme will be mandatory.
At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, others are scored by private tech platforms which hold personal data.
Like private credit scores, a person's social score can move up and down depending on their behavior. The exact methodology is a secret — but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.
1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.
China has already started punishing people by restricting their travel.
Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights, Channel News Asia reported in March, citing official statistics.
They can also clamp down on luxury options — three million people are barred from getting business-class train tickets.
The eventual system will punish bad passengers specifically. Potential misdeeds include trying to ride with no ticket, loitering in front of boarding gates, or smoking in no-smoking areas.
2. Throttling your internet speeds.
This is according to Rachel Botsman, an author who published part of her book on tech security on Wired last year. The exact mechanics aren't clear yet.
According to Foreign Policy, credit systems monitor whether people pay bills on time, much like financial credit trackers — but also ascribe a moral dimension.
Other mooted punishable offences include spending too long playing video games, wasting money on frivolous purchases and posting on social media.
Spreading fake news, specifically about terrorist attacks or airport security, will also be punishable offences.
3. Banning you — or your kids — from the best schools.
17 people who refused to carry out military service last year were barred from enrolling in higher education, applying for high school, or continuing their studies, Beijing News reported.
In July, a Chinese university denied an incoming student his spot because the student's father had a bad social credit score.
4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.
"Trust-breaking" individuals would also be banned from doing management jobs in state-owned firms and big banks.
Some crimes, like fraud and embezzlement, would also have a big effect on social credit, Botsman reported.
5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.
People who refused military service were also banned from some holidays and hotels — showing that vacation plans are fair game too.
The regime rewards people here as well as punishes them.
People with good scores can speed up travel applications to places like Europe, Botsman said.
An unidentified woman in Beijing also told the BBC in 2015 that she was able to book a hotel without having to pay a cash deposit because she had a good score.
6. Getting your dog taken away.
The eastern Chinese city of Jinan started enforcing a social credit system for dog owners in 2017, whereby pet owners get points deducted if the dog is walked without a leash or causes public disturbances.
Those who lost all their points had their dogs confiscated and had to take a test on regulations required for pet ownership.
7. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.
Naming and shaming is another tactic available. A a 2016 government notice encourages companies to consult the blacklist before hiring people or giving them contracts.
However, people will be notified by the courts before they are added to the list, and are allowed to appeal against the decision within ten days of receiving the notification.
It's not clear when the list will start to be implemented.
A prototype blacklist already exists, and has been used to punish people.
The scrolling list on the left shows individual's names alongside partially redacted ID numbers, while the one on the right shows company names.
Li Xiaolin, a lawyer who was placed on the list in 2015, found himself unable to purchase plane tickets home while on a work trip, Human Rights Watch reported. He also couldn't apply for credit cards.
This video, posted by freelance journalist James O'Malley, shows an announcement on a bullet train from Beijing to Shanghai warning people not to misbehave — or else their "behavior will be recorded in individual credit information system."
There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.
The BBC said that Baihe, China's biggest dating site, is boosting the profiles of good citizens.
They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.
These perks were available to people in Rongcheng, eastern China, whose city council rolled out a social credit system for its citizens and was profiled by Foreign Policy.
Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it "chilling," while Botsman called it "a futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control" — some citizens say it's making them better people already.
A 32-year-old entrepreneur, who only gave his name as Chen, told Foreign Policy: "I feel like in the past six months, people's behaviour has gotten better and better.
"For example, when we drive, now we always stop in front of crosswalks. If you don't stop, you will lose your points.
"At first, we just worried about losing points, but now we got used to it."
China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system — here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you
- China plans to rank all its citizens based on their "social credit" by 2020.
- People can be rewarded or punished according to their scores.
- Like private financial credit scores, a person's social scores can move up and down according to their behaviour.
- At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, while others are scored by private tech platforms that hold personal data.
The "social credit system," first announced in 2014, aims to reinforce the idea that "keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful," according to a government document.
The program is due to be fully operational nationwide by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people across the country already. The scheme will be mandatory.
At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, others are scored by private tech platforms which hold personal data.
Like private credit scores, a person's social score can move up and down depending on their behavior. The exact methodology is a secret — but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.
1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.
China has already started punishing people by restricting their travel.
Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights, Channel News Asia reported in March, citing official statistics.
They can also clamp down on luxury options — three million people are barred from getting business-class train tickets.
The eventual system will punish bad passengers specifically. Potential misdeeds include trying to ride with no ticket, loitering in front of boarding gates, or smoking in no-smoking areas.
2. Throttling your internet speeds.
This is according to Rachel Botsman, an author who published part of her book on tech security on Wired last year. The exact mechanics aren't clear yet.
According to Foreign Policy, credit systems monitor whether people pay bills on time, much like financial credit trackers — but also ascribe a moral dimension.
Other mooted punishable offences include spending too long playing video games, wasting money on frivolous purchases and posting on social media.
Spreading fake news, specifically about terrorist attacks or airport security, will also be punishable offences.
3. Banning you — or your kids — from the best schools.
17 people who refused to carry out military service last year were barred from enrolling in higher education, applying for high school, or continuing their studies, Beijing News reported.
In July, a Chinese university denied an incoming student his spot because the student's father had a bad social credit score.
4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.
"Trust-breaking" individuals would also be banned from doing management jobs in state-owned firms and big banks.
Some crimes, like fraud and embezzlement, would also have a big effect on social credit, Botsman reported.
5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.
People who refused military service were also banned from some holidays and hotels — showing that vacation plans are fair game too.
The regime rewards people here as well as punishes them.
People with good scores can speed up travel applications to places like Europe, Botsman said.
An unidentified woman in Beijing also told the BBC in 2015 that she was able to book a hotel without having to pay a cash deposit because she had a good score.
6. Getting your dog taken away.
The eastern Chinese city of Jinan started enforcing a social credit system for dog owners in 2017, whereby pet owners get points deducted if the dog is walked without a leash or causes public disturbances.
Those who lost all their points had their dogs confiscated and had to take a test on regulations required for pet ownership.
7. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.
Naming and shaming is another tactic available. A a 2016 government notice encourages companies to consult the blacklist before hiring people or giving them contracts.
However, people will be notified by the courts before they are added to the list, and are allowed to appeal against the decision within ten days of receiving the notification.
It's not clear when the list will start to be implemented.
A prototype blacklist already exists, and has been used to punish people.
The scrolling list on the left shows individual's names alongside partially redacted ID numbers, while the one on the right shows company names.
Li Xiaolin, a lawyer who was placed on the list in 2015, found himself unable to purchase plane tickets home while on a work trip, Human Rights Watch reported. He also couldn't apply for credit cards.
This video, posted by freelance journalist James O'Malley, shows an announcement on a bullet train from Beijing to Shanghai warning people not to misbehave — or else their "behavior will be recorded in individual credit information system."
There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.
The BBC said that Baihe, China's biggest dating site, is boosting the profiles of good citizens.
They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.
These perks were available to people in Rongcheng, eastern China, whose city council rolled out a social credit system for its citizens and was profiled by Foreign Policy.
Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it "chilling," while Botsman called it "a futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control" — some citizens say it's making them better people already.
A 32-year-old entrepreneur, who only gave his name as Chen, told Foreign Policy: "I feel like in the past six months, people's behaviour has gotten better and better.
"For example, when we drive, now we always stop in front of crosswalks. If you don't stop, you will lose your points.
"At first, we just worried about losing points, but now we got used to it."
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Totally bullshit, many Americans feel like they have more freedom in China than in US.
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Hold on let me add a point to your big brother social credit score, maybe you can get a date on your app.
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Oh, please, lol...
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hilarious
There is an agenda against Chinese, troll against Chinese will not get banned but people speak up for China will get banned. Plenty of fake story and fabricated news aim to tarnish China. They cant compete with China one on one and resort to this kind of low life trick to try slow down competitor.you are another out of context copying/posting moron
we have to pay £100 fine for failing to stop
We also have to pay parking fees and fines despite paying huge sums in council tax
as well as paying big fines for stopping in "wrong" places, which keep doubling if not paid within a specified time.
I'd much rather loose points than be driven to verge of bankruptcy!
weird thing: I reported you and it seems ended up getting poor beijingwalker banned
https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles...ts-fake-news-national-security-fears/2018/10/
This pay troll on payroll will all kind of fake allegation to scored their 50percent against China.
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KhalaiMakhlooq
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Not true, we just spent hundreds-of-millions of pounds ripping up the ground and removing chips and infrastructure from the entire country, because it was made by China. We wouldn't physically do that on 'fakenews'.
You didn't even read the article before you posted it
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It’s not unusual for companies to deny allegations that could hurt their reputation and bottom line. As analyst Jack E. Gold told SDxCentral yesterday “a denial is in their own self-interest.”
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More like you are in denial there is no fake news agenda against Chinese. More or less shows where you stand...
https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/07/homeland-security-denies-bloomberg-spy-chip-report/
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You don't have good grasp of the English language. You've missed context, tone, and long-term mindset and therefore not understood the article.
This article was commenting on the fact that companies are being told to deny reports in the case of not causing mass panic and breakdown of industry i.e. national security (a nation made up of people everyday security) and discussing the motivation behind that.
https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles...ts-fake-news-national-security-fears/2018/10/
Fake News is issued from the Government and its State Agencies as a tool of propaganda. Like covering up 9/11
In this case Bloomberg, the issuers of the news were correct and truthful. Now we have the Chinese chip scandal being solved. Supermicro ( a Chinese manufacturer) supply was dropped.
LOL... Typical spinning from a troll like you. Apple is ready to challenge bloomberg allegation with lawyers and document while bloomberg know they has a lost case, keep beating around the bush and refuse to directly engage Apple legal lawsuit against them. It has nothing to do with your so called BS of denying to prevent mass panic of the public.
If China is so good in stealing. China will be ahead of US in every of the technology and can even manipulate the whole US congress becos of all the info it obtained. Fact is western are fearful of a rising China. A country of China size that for first time in history, not just challenging western in military but all front from economy, technology and military.
China is the only country capable of standing up against the tyrant west who for many years try suppress non western countries and try continue their imperial dominant. US wage wars for their self fish cause, fabricate and try disintegrated other nations by meddling in their affair and split opinion between them with divide and conquer through the pretext of human right.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/trump-saudi-arabia/index.html
Trump signals US won't punish Saudi crown prince over Khashoggi killing
Maybe you want to claim this is another US righteous move that prove US as champion of human right?
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Lol. Bloomberg haven't retracted their statement it's still there, right up on their website, even after calls by Apple CEO to remove it. In fact they have better their 44 billion dollar fortune on it. Stop changing the subject to Trump and Saudi. You are just blinded by 'Great China' and are cheap enough to accuse every truth with childish statements such as 'fake news'. You don't know how organisations work.
I love it how you said spinning troll and then tried to spin the topic with a paragraph of nonsense and conclude with with Trump-Saudi relations.
More like you run of excuse. Riding on the western high horse of human right and righteous which is only as cheap as when things is beneficial to them just as proven by my example of chopping up somebody can be excuse cause MBS is too precious to be condemn by US congress. Western human right is selective. It is difficult to work with some hypocrite who you wouldnt know when will they flip table and turn on you once your usefulness is gone.
Same as western repeat cheap accusation of China for their own beneficial and selfish gain.
Cheap spinning and self victory post by West.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/lee-...-for-helping-its-reform.592388/#post-11029852
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Seriously, you have no idea about the "social credit" system.Here's more than 7 reasons why anyone with links to China will never stand up for any form of truth even if they know it essentially rendering them to spineless lumps of flesh.
China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system — here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you
The Chinese state is setting up a vast ranking system system that will monitor the behavior of its enormous population, and rank them all based on their "social credit."
- China plans to rank all its citizens based on their "social credit" by 2020.
- People can be rewarded or punished according to their scores.
- Like private financial credit scores, a person's social scores can move up and down according to their behaviour.
- At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, while others are scored by private tech platforms that hold personal data.
The "social credit system," first announced in 2014, aims to reinforce the idea that "keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful," according to a government document.
The program is due to be fully operational nationwide by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people across the country already. The scheme will be mandatory.
At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, others are scored by private tech platforms which hold personal data.
Like private credit scores, a person's social score can move up and down depending on their behavior. The exact methodology is a secret — but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.
1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.
China has already started punishing people by restricting their travel.
Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights, Channel News Asia reported in March, citing official statistics.
They can also clamp down on luxury options — three million people are barred from getting business-class train tickets.
The eventual system will punish bad passengers specifically. Potential misdeeds include trying to ride with no ticket, loitering in front of boarding gates, or smoking in no-smoking areas.
2. Throttling your internet speeds.
This is according to Rachel Botsman, an author who published part of her book on tech security on Wired last year. The exact mechanics aren't clear yet.
According to Foreign Policy, credit systems monitor whether people pay bills on time, much like financial credit trackers — but also ascribe a moral dimension.
Other mooted punishable offences include spending too long playing video games, wasting money on frivolous purchases and posting on social media.
Spreading fake news, specifically about terrorist attacks or airport security, will also be punishable offences.
3. Banning you — or your kids — from the best schools.
17 people who refused to carry out military service last year were barred from enrolling in higher education, applying for high school, or continuing their studies, Beijing News reported.
In July, a Chinese university denied an incoming student his spot because the student's father had a bad social credit score.
4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.
"Trust-breaking" individuals would also be banned from doing management jobs in state-owned firms and big banks.
Some crimes, like fraud and embezzlement, would also have a big effect on social credit, Botsman reported.
5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.
People who refused military service were also banned from some holidays and hotels — showing that vacation plans are fair game too.
The regime rewards people here as well as punishes them.
People with good scores can speed up travel applications to places like Europe, Botsman said.
An unidentified woman in Beijing also told the BBC in 2015 that she was able to book a hotel without having to pay a cash deposit because she had a good score.
6. Getting your dog taken away.
The eastern Chinese city of Jinan started enforcing a social credit system for dog owners in 2017, whereby pet owners get points deducted if the dog is walked without a leash or causes public disturbances.
Those who lost all their points had their dogs confiscated and had to take a test on regulations required for pet ownership.
7. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.
Naming and shaming is another tactic available. A a 2016 government notice encourages companies to consult the blacklist before hiring people or giving them contracts.
However, people will be notified by the courts before they are added to the list, and are allowed to appeal against the decision within ten days of receiving the notification.
It's not clear when the list will start to be implemented.
A prototype blacklist already exists, and has been used to punish people.
The scrolling list on the left shows individual's names alongside partially redacted ID numbers, while the one on the right shows company names.
Li Xiaolin, a lawyer who was placed on the list in 2015, found himself unable to purchase plane tickets home while on a work trip, Human Rights Watch reported. He also couldn't apply for credit cards.
This video, posted by freelance journalist James O'Malley, shows an announcement on a bullet train from Beijing to Shanghai warning people not to misbehave — or else their "behavior will be recorded in individual credit information system."
There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.
The BBC said that Baihe, China's biggest dating site, is boosting the profiles of good citizens.
They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.
These perks were available to people in Rongcheng, eastern China, whose city council rolled out a social credit system for its citizens and was profiled by Foreign Policy.
Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it "chilling," while Botsman called it "a futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control" — some citizens say it's making them better people already.
A 32-year-old entrepreneur, who only gave his name as Chen, told Foreign Policy: "I feel like in the past six months, people's behaviour has gotten better and better.
"For example, when we drive, now we always stop in front of crosswalks. If you don't stop, you will lose your points.
"At first, we just worried about losing points, but now we got used to it."
If you are a decent citizen, you won't be listed in the system.
It only affects bad guys who break the law.
If you borrow someone's money but refuse to pay back when you are able to do that, you will be listed in the system.
If you hire some employees for your business but refuse to pay the salary, you will be listed in the system.
If you lose a lawsuit but refuse to execute the judgment, you will be listed in the system.
Once you are in the list, you won't be able to buy train tick, obtain loans and so on. And nobody will do business with you. You are condemning a longed-for system that protects decent people without using violence which the US policemen prefer very much.
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