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Strange Bedfellows

China's problems in Xinjiang are forcing it to reach out to India. But does India care?

BY BAHUKUTUMBI RAMAN | AUGUST 31, 2009

In its attempt to stomp out the pro-Uighur movement in its restive western autonomous region, Xinjiang, China might be looking for help from a surprising partner: its major rival in the region, India, according to a recent report in the South China Morning Post.

The two countries don't have a history of ground-level cooperation on counterterrorism -- far from it -- but they could end up moving in that direction as the anarchy in the North Waziristan area of Pakistan begins to spill over into China as well as India. But major questions remain: How far will China go to win India's help? And is Beijing sincerely looking for advice, or just fishing for intelligence from the other rising powerhouse in Asia?

Before attempting to answer these questions, it's important to note that the pro-Uighur movement in Xinjiang is actually two distinct movements. First, there's Western media darling Rebiya Kadeer's Munich-based group, the World Uyghur Congress (WUC), which has been a major irritant to the Chinese, launching demonstrations that led to July's riots in Urumqi. But the Chinese government is also contending with a lesser-known, but more threatening Uighur group -- the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which draws its funding and membership not from the West, as with the WUC, but from the Uighur diaspora in Pakistan, the Persian Gulf, and Turkey.

The ETIM labels itself an agitator for the religious rights of Xinjiang Muslims. It looks upon Xinjiang, which the Uighurs call East Turkestan, as a traditionally Muslim land that has been occupied by non-Muslims. Unlike the WUC, which focuses on Uighur ethnicity -- not religion -- the ETIM's ideology is pan-Islamic, and it claims to fight for the restoration of Eastern Turkestan to the ummah, or the worldwide Muslim community.

The Chinese claim that more than 1,000 ETIM members had been trained by al Qaeda in Afghanistan before the September 11 terrorist attacks, but their claim is treated with some skepticism by the United States and refuted firmly by the ETIM leadership. Still, the U.S. State Department said in 2005 that the two groups were linked, and the United States has listed ETIM, which is based in North Waziristan, as a terrorist organization since 2002.

Because of the ETIM's suspected links with al Qaeda and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, another terrorist group operating from North Waziristan, China has reached out to its ally Pakistan for help. But repeated requests to Pakistan for action against the terrorist infrastructure of the ETIM have not produced satisfactory results. Pakistan arrested and deported to China some identified anti-Beijing Uighurs, but it has not been able to dismantle the ETIM's terrorist infrastructure, as China had hoped. Nor has Pakistan been able to offer much help on the intelligence front, due to the government's weakness in Waziristan.

After China's striking out with Pakistan, then, it seems only logical that Beijing should move on to India -- asking not for operations against the ETIM infrastructure, but for intelligence. There has so far been no reliable information that India has received such a request. But a request to New Delhi would probably not bring the results Beijing wants. For one thing, the focus of Indian intelligence is Pakistani Punjab and Azad Kashmir, the source of most terrorist threats to India. Thus Indian intelligence is not particularly well-informed on the Waziristan area. Second, China has never criticized Pakistan-sponsored terrorism against India. There is, therefore, no built-up reservoir of goodwill that would induce India to help China with its ETIM problem.

Still, the request itself, if correct, is part of a larger movement toward greater cooperation between the two countries on counterterrorism efforts. Since 2002, China has welcomed meetings between Chinese and Indian counterterrorism experts to exchange views and assessments on the state of jihadi terrorism in the region, hoping to benefit from India's experience and expertise on this subject.

India has responded positively to the general Chinese interest, and the cooperation has been expanding through mechanisms such as a joint working group on terrorism that periodically exchanges views and assessments and the joint counterterrorism exercises by the countries' armies that allow each country to learn from the other's tactics.

This new partnership only goes so far, however: Although cooperation against acts of terrorism will continue to expand, the chances of China and India working together against terrorist organizations are remote. The two countries agree on what constitutes an act of terrorism, but not on which are the terrorist organizations of the region. China, for example, agrees with Pakistan's view that the violence in Kashmir is a freedom struggle and not terrorism. It has also blocked a consensus in the U.N. Security Council on declaring certain Pakistani organizations terrorists, against India's wishes. And China -- hoping to maintain good relations with Pakistan in order to keep the threat of a two-front war hanging over India's head -- is unlikely to change its mind on these positions, no matter how unhappy it gets over Pakistan's failure to stamp out the ETIM in North Waziristan.

Working with China on ground-level counterterrorism is also difficult for India because India has the second-largest Muslim population in the world after Indonesia, and members of this community might not want India to help China in what they see as repression of their coreligionists. What's more, the pro-West Uighurs led by Kadeer are close with the Dalai Lama, who is based in India and commands considerable respect there not only as a Buddhist leader, but also as a thorn in the Chinese side. He and the large Tibetan refugee population in India would oppose helping the Chinese out in Xinjiang.

More broadly, relations between China and India in most other areas, though improving, still have their problems, which act as speed bumps: the ongoing border dispute, Indian allegations of the dumping of cheap Chinese goods, competition for oil and gas, and naval competition in the Indian Ocean. However, cooperation over counterterrorism, if it comes about, could bring the two Asian giants closer together.

China and India Make for Strange Bedfellows on Terrorism - By Bahukutumbi Raman | Foreign Policy
 
The two countries don't have a history of ground-level cooperation on counterterrorism
The first India-China joint anti-terror military exercise ("Hand-in-Hand, 2007") held at Kunming in the Yunnan province of China from December 19 to 25, 2007, which involved 103 troops each from the two armies, was no different in its scope and limited significance from the eight exercises held earlier with other countries. This was admitted by the Chinese themselves in a round-up of the exercise carried by the "People's Daily" on December 26, 2007. It said: "Although some military and diplomatic observers said that the joint training is more symbolic than substantial, many acknowledged that the point is not the scale of the joint training or what specific anti-terrorism skills are involved. The point is that the soldiers on both sides are moving toward each other in a friendly way."

Mr. Ma Jiali, a research fellow of the Academy of China Contemporary International Relations: "The military relationship between China and India is like half a glass of water. Optimists will say we're lucky to have half a glass of water, while pessimists will sigh and say we have only half a glass. In any case, the first-ever military training between the two armies will help boost the bilateral relations of China and India."

Lt. Gen. Ma Xiaotian, the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the People's Liberation Army, who headed the Chinese military observer delegation to the joint exercise: "There are border issues yet to be resolved, because the two sides have different stances and take different approaches to problems. China insists on solving problems through negotiation, which requires communication and understanding between the two sides. The joint exercises will play an active role in enhancing understanding and trust and deepening defense exchanges and cooperation. China will continue to push forward military exchanges and cooperation with India in an effort to safeguard regional security and stability. Military ties are an important part of bilateral relations. Military cooperation will be carried on in the spirit of mutual respect, equal consultation and mutual benefits to contribute to the building of a harmonious region with long-lasting peace and common prosperity. Promoting military communication and cooperation will play an important role in developing strategic partnership of the two neighbors, also the leading developing nations in the world. A number of bilateral military exchanges in recent years, including official visits, meetings on defense and safety issues, and searching and rescue manoeuver on the sea, reflected the common efforts and desire of both sides in deepening cooperation."

The theme reflected more Chinese concerns over the possibility of alleged Tibetan extremists from the diaspora staging cross-border raids into Tibet in the event of instability in Tibet after the death of the Dalai Lama. This theme would be of little relevance to India since we have no reason to fear any cross-border terrorism against India originating from Chinese territory unless one day Al Qaeda seizes control of Xinjiang in China and the Northern Areas (Gilgit and Baltistan) of Pakistan. Such a possibility is remote.

Another joint excersice was conducted in December 2008.

Working with China on ground-level counterterrorism is also difficult for India because India has the second-largest Muslim population in the world after Indonesia, and members of this community might not want India to help China in what they see as repression of their coreligionists.
Utter crap, as Indian Muslims have time and again denounced terrorist activities in the region and they (generalising) have not percieved any as terrorist as Muslim.

However, cooperation over counterterrorism, if it comes about, could bring the two Asian giants closer together.
I hope so too.
 
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We China can support Kashmir / Tamil / Skih independence from India and Kurds independence from Turkey and Unification of Cyprus by Greek!


I am from TamiNad - India and really did not understand what do you mean by "independence" from India :rofl:

Believe me , you are reading some articles written in China I think. When our Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi killed by LTTE , ruling party of Tamil Nad wiped out in the election because they supported LTTE . That's the boding we Indians have.
 
India, Israel and Turkey are just minions of USA.

Like Japan and South Korea!


As a Chinese, I am proud of ourselves we are not minions of USA!

Japanese and S. Korean girls are always raped by US soliders, but Chinese girls will never face this!

looool - who said that ??? india is minions of us ??? give me some proof - we always stand firm on our ground - we conducted test nuke on our own, we dont buy much from us ( defence) we dont have as much trade with us - except for i.t for which they need us more than we need them.

and i will let you be proud and you shoud be proud of being a chinese , and so should be a japnese or thao or pakistani or indian.

and this rape claim - i dotn know what weird - website you go to for your daily dose of ****, because if you have made such claim show us all those proof. :cheers:
 
looool - who said that ??? india is minions of us ??? give me some proof - we always stand firm on our ground - we conducted test nuke on our own, we dont buy much from us ( defence) we dont have as much trade with us - except for i.t for which they need us more than we need them.

and i will let you be proud and you shoud be proud of being a chinese , and so should be a japnese or thao or pakistani or indian.

and this rape claim - i dotn know what weird - website you go to for your daily dose of ****, because if you have made such claim show us all those proof. :cheers:


There are only three totally independence state in the Globe :

USA, Russia and China.

Our diplomacy, unlike yours, is totally independent of USA!
 
@ Sino-PakFriendship

Just by looking at your Signature, i understand, you are no more than a typical Chinese, who knows nothing about Chinese history.



:usflag::coffee::pop:
 
This guy talks like a real nut case sychophernic . But is there any cause to refute the nonsense he utters??

Coming to the topic, Pakistan has been supporting, aiding and abetting islamic terrorism in India for deacdes now. They started it in 1948 by sending thousands of lashkars from NWFP into Kashmir to try and take Kashmir by force. And again in 1965 under operation Gibralter and finally in 1989 when they sent all the out of work Mujahideen from the Afghan border into Kashmir. What did the Islamic terrorists achieve in India where they have caused havoc for decades? NOTHING. It is quite another matter that some clown on this thread while displaying an avavtar of Adolf Hitler says that "India uses Terrorism as its Foreign Policy ". Sorry, India's forieign policy is not conducted by the Army or the ISI.

China has been supporting Pakistan all the way. China has obstructed India's attempts of banning Pakistani terrorist groups many times. China has also been supporting the insurgent groups active in the north east and the. Now China is affected by the alarming growth of Islamic terrorism in East Turkistan. Unfortunately Pakistan cant help China as Pakistan is too busy trying to help itself from Islamic terrorism.

The recently concluded Sino-Russian military exercises were nothing but a demonstration by the two countries of their resolve to fight Islamic terrorism and show their unity against USA. Russia has been affected by Islamic terrorism since long and now so is China.

If under these conditions, if China seeks our help, what should India's response be?? Over the last six decades we have learnt that the Chinese cannot be trusted. Should we help China? Of course, it is for the government to decide, but my answer would be NO, NEVER.
 
No one is asking for your "help" buddy, just as we don't want your help in "fighting" against terrorists because the more you "help" the more it hurts. :)

LTTE in SL
RAW in Pak
DL in China
BSF in BD
RSS in Bharat
 
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You are right, I wonder how we forgot Japan?:D

This is actually funny. I can appreciate humor.

But honestly, Japanese today are no longer short. In fact they are taller than everyone except for (a) Koreans and (b) Northern Chinese. Japanese males on average are taller than Persians, Pakistanis, Afghans and Indians. Only the females remain short (don't ask me why). :cheers:
 
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