China’s popularity in Bangladesh dips a bit over Myanmar issue

[Chinese-Dragon]

Sadly you got involved in the mess by siding with the Myanmar blindly.

Hmm do you think that the Chinese government makes such major decisions without any kind of thought or planning?

The bottom line is that Myanmar is more important in strategic terms, they can provide us access to warm waters via land connection just like Pakistan can.

Whereas Bangladesh is not only surrounded by India on all sides, but India controls Bangladesh through the Hasina government. There is no land connection between China and Bangladesh, unless you want to go through India.

Not to mention that Bangladesh sold us out over the Sonadia port, on India's orders.

 

[Avicenna]

A colleague of mine recently returned from a medical mission to help the Rohingya in Bangladesh.

What is happening there is appalling. And this is coming from a non-Bengali.

China and Myanmar will be on the wrong side of history.

 

[dy1022]

Soon, 99% of Chinese will despise Aung San Suu Kyi even more just like they did to Park Geun-hye for the imminent political betrayal.

Park Geun-hye is in Jail now and SK is warming Relationship with China. It's funny to see you didn't know that SK' situation while more than 50,000 US army stationed in there more than some decades, and put most blame on Park Geun-hye alone.

When Aung San Suu Kyi doing the same thing as Park Geun-hye, you will see China's actions on that matter.

Mighty power like China is luckily not taken the desicion by " ideology, humanrights, Junta regime, demoncracy,blablabla. all kinds of Sh!t", Only National interests !!!

99% of Chinese will espise Aung San Suu Kyi even more just like they did to Park Geun-hye for the imminent political betrayal, yes, that's perfect example to define : Chinese should care China's national interests Only!

Currently, China's national interests decides China's position in Burma.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hmm do you think that the Chinese government makes such major decisions without any kind of thought or planning?

The bottom line is that Myanmar is more important in strategic terms, they can provide us access to warm waters via land connection just like Pakistan can.

Whereas Bangladesh is not only surrounded by India on all sides, but India controls Bangladesh through the Hasina government. There is no land connection between China and Bangladesh, unless you want to go through India.

Not to mention that Bangladesh sold us out over the Sonadia port, on India's orders.

Not sure how long this Burmese junta will remain a reliable ally. They only need us when they got forsaken by their US master.

The Chinese people always tend to forget the pain when the scar got recovered. Just look our supposed socialist brothers like North Korea and Vietnam, we took bullets for their freedom and liberation, and when they didn't need us anymore, they just kicked us out.

And keep in mind that Aung San Sun Kyi and her regime are absolutely a pro-West right-wing party, not sure they would serve as a more reliable partner than North Korea and Vietnam.

Park Geun-hye is in Jail now and SK is warming Relationship with China. It's funny to see you didn't know that SK' situation while more than 50,000 US army stationed in there more than some decades, and put most blame on Park Geun-hye alone.

When Aung San Suu Kyi doing the same thing as Park Geun-hye, you will see China's actions on that matter.

Mighty power like China is luckily not taken the desicion by " ideology, humanrights, Junta regime, demoncracy,blablabla. all kinds of Sh!t", Only National interests !!!

99% of Chinese will espise Aung San Suu Kyi even more just like they did to Park Geun-hye for the imminent political betrayal, yes, that's perfect example to define : Chinese should care China's national interests Only!

Currently, China's national interests decides China's position in Burma.

South Korea is naturally a US lapdog, so it is the Burmese junta regime, but currently a forsaken one.

And you need to discuss more rationally rather than acting like a wannabe Trump supporter and imitating their rhetoric vermin.

Remember what is President Xi's long term goal, we need to unify the whole mankind under our OBOR, and we simply cannot behave in the rampage mode like Trump's USA. Think wisely for the long term.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Not sure how long this Burmese junta will remain a reliable ally. They only need us when they got forsaken by their US master.

I don't think the Burmese junta are reliable at all, like you said they are pro-West. But so is Bangladesh, which already sold us out on the Sonadia port just because India told them to.

They are both unreliable, however Myanmar is the one with a land connection to China, which will allow us to reach warm waters.

What is happening with the Rohingya is despicable, firstly due to Myanmar butchering them, then secondly because of Bangladesh for throwing their Rohingya brothers back to be killed. Again, both sides are just as bad as each other, the only difference being that Myanmar has land connectivity with China.

In geopolitics, only national interests matter. This is probably the only thing that China, Myanmar and Bangladesh all agree on.

 

[EastBengalPro]

Not to mention that Bangladesh sold us out over the Sonadia port, on India's orders.

Yeah agree with that. Everything was ready and about to be signed during PM visit in China. But tremendous pressure from US,India,Japan let the deal go in dark. Hope BAL understand now I hope and due to their political failure now coxsbazar people are suffering the weight of Rohingyas.

The bottom line is that Myanmar is more important in strategic terms, they can provide us access to warm waters via land connection just like Pakistan can.

Whereas Bangladesh is not only surrounded by India on all sides, but India controls Bangladesh through the Hasina government. There is no land connection between China and Bangladesh, unless you want to go through India.

India controls Bangladesh through the Hasina government is a myth as the same govt purchased Chinese subs and purchased a good number of Chinese military equipment which India did not like at all including solving long term issues like land boundary and sea border problems.

Undoubtedly Myanmar poses more geographic/strategic value for China.But China also has a fair investment in Bangladesh.Ordinary Bangladeshis would have loved to see China playing a "Leader's Role" to solve the crisis.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I don't think the Burmese junta are reliable at all, like you said they are pro-West. But so is Bangladesh, which already sold us out on the Sonadia port just because India told them to.

They are both unreliable, however Myanmar is the one with a land connection to China, which will allow us to reach warm waters.

What is happening with the Rohingya is despicable, firstly due to Myanmar butchering them, then secondly because of Bangladesh for throwing their Rohingya brothers back to be killed. Again, both sides are just as bad as each other, the only difference being that Myanmar has land connectivity with China.

Bengladesh is more neutral like most countries when it comes to China and USA.

When it comes to China, they are very friendly to us.

And I don't think that Bengladesh is more pro-US than Pakistan, yet Pakistan is our best friend, no one can deny that.

 

[pher]

They are mostly angry youths who can easily get manipulated.

The goal of the US straight forward and clear; it is to incite all China's neighbors to conduct the suicidal attacks against China. If China fights back, then the Sinophobia images are waiting to staple on China's face by the western media, just like they did to Russia.

The current Myanmar regime just figured that out and got chickened to follow this order, hence the US has punished them for disobeying the order.

Many pro-US countries wanted to become a US lapdogs for more benefits, because they believed that the US is still the richest and can become a good reliable sugar daddy, but they don't want to get sacrificed by the US as an expendable cannon fodder, even the most pro-US regime cannot spontaneously follow this kind of order.

These forsaken lapdogs are unreliable allies, China shouldn't rescue them from the punishment of their master. When their master throws them a new bone, they will again turn their back on China.



Without the Rohingya genocide, we simply wouldn't have these refugees within our border.

Aung San Suu Kyi did not choose to cooperate with China; it was the task assigned by her US master too deadly and suicidal, that's why she is now begging China for help.

Tianya is now full of manipulators who wanna see China to fight the Muslim World on the behalf of their US master.

The most anti-Muslim country is the US, and we shouldn't act as a scapegoat for the US.

Look at what you bullshit, you always think from the perspective of religion or muslim, any normal Chinese will never think in that way. you are definitely a muslim, which explain why almost all of your thanks in this thread are from your muslim brothers, because you think like them, speak for them.

Let me tell you one thing, there is no such thing about genocide for rohinyas, China government and public opinions don't recognize it. They just caused trouble under west instruction to disrupt China's development in that area, and myanmar did a good job to respond properly.

We should let the current Myanmar regime collapsed under the western sanction, then to act as a mediator when a more moderate regime comes to power.

The Rohingya genocide must stop right now, because in the long term it will nurture more extremists in the vicinity of our southwest border.

This is the most stupid argument I have ever encountered. If there is no rohinya in myanmar, how could it possible there are more extremists near our border? On the contrary, the ISIS rose from the collapse of Iraq and Syria governments. Now you wish myanmar regime collapse, we all know what would happen next. You totally exposed yourself in this post, and your evil design for China.

You now are a canadian, and you will never become a Chinese again, you know that. So don't come here to pretend you are Chinese and represent the opinion of China people to mislead others. Let our Chinese to do the think for ourselves .

 

[武成王]

Bangladesh doesn't hate China rather you could say people are frustrated.Sadly you got involved in the mess by siding with the Myanmar blindly.

Well, BD members can't expect nice responses from Chinese members here by crying "China is shameless supporting *genocide*", the term *genocide* is a very severe accusation which even the *5 star enemy* - US didn't use it, they at most use the term *ethnic cleansing*, congratulation to BD members here you guys successfully become *6 star enemy* of China.

If you ever watched the news from BD TV recently, the PM of *6 star enemy of China* happily met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Dhaka, and accepted the three stage proposal from Wang Yi. MM government also accepted the proposal and EU expressed their support.

Negotiation and dialogue is the only practical solution to resolve this issue, with or without China's veto, UN won't sanction MM anyway, I remind you that BD buy rice form MM even before any third party involved, this indicate BD government is rational enough to intend to reserve a space for dialogue, China is the best available option for both MM and BD to establish a platform to promote reconciliation and prosperity in this region.

If this issue was unfortunately escalated and MM was sanctioned, MM will definitely eradicate
all Rohingyas, BD has to take them all, they surely have no chance to return to MM. Furthermore, BD has to deal with rapid growth of radical militants, a more hostile MM, a more arrogant India (since you have no choice because you're surrounded from three sides).
All the achievement in the past decade could be ruined. If BD and MM can seek common interest and make compromise, focus on economy development to reduce poverty in this region, this issue could be gradually resolved I believe.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Look at what you bullshit, you always think from the perspective of religion or muslim, any normal Chinese will never think in that way. you are definitely a muslim, which explain why almost all of your thanks in this thread are from your muslim brothers, because you think like them, speak for them.

Let me tell you one thing, there is no such thing about genocide for rohinyas, China government and public opinions don't recognize it. They just caused trouble under west instruction to disrupt China's development in that area, and myanmar did a good job to respond properly.




This is the most stupid argument I have ever encountered. If there is no rohinya in myanmar, how could it possible there are more extremists near our border? On the contrary, the ISIS rose from the collapse of Iraq and Syria governments. Now you wish myanmar regime collapse, we all know what would happen next. You totally exposed yourself in this post, and your evil design for China.

You now are a canadian, and you will never become a Chinese again, you know that. So don't come here to pretend you are Chinese and represent the opinion of China people to mislead others. Let our Chinese to do the think for ourselves .

First, I am a Muslim, then I am a Canadian, and you are speaking like someone with schizophrenia when you can't come out with one single valid argument to refute my opinion. More like a Trump supporter who labelled anyone who is less radical as a Muslim lover.

Personally, I am not Muslim nor I am an Islamophile, but from the geopolitical view, the success of China's OBOR largely depends from the cooperation of the Muslim countries. Most of my friendly attitude toward Islam came from geopolitically, and culturally I rarely engage into the discussion about Islam.

The Burmese junta is the main problem for the balkanization of our southwest border, and they are not only waging war against Rohingya, but also against Kokang. Many Chinese members here have short memories about the shelling against our border from the Burmese rogue regime.

I know that Rohingya people were not natives in Myanmar, they were brought there by the British, just like the African slaves were brought to America by the white slave owners. But from a humanitarian perspective, you simply cannot remove a group of people by force via ethnic cleansing, this is the bottom line of humanity.

And don't tell me that the Rohingya genocide was fake, it did happen as early as 2012. But from that time, Aung San Suu Kyi was still considered as an obedient lapdog, that's why the West didn't condemn her.

The main goal was always China, the US not only wanted her regime to be part of the anti-China alliance, but also assigned a suicidal mission to her, and her regime chickened out, hence they got rewarded with punishment for not obeying the order.

In my opinion, China shouldn't attract more hatred for the US from the Muslim World, especially for a treacherous lapdog like Aung San Suu Kyi.

All the achievement in the past decade could be ruined. If BD and MM can seek common interest and make compromise, focus on economy development to reduce poverty in this region, this issue could be gradually resolved I believe.

This largely depends on the attitude of the Myanmar government.

They have to first agree the cease-fire, then we can stabilize the entire region via mediation, and eventually we can relocate those Rohingya refugees back to their homeland.

 

[idune]

Hmm do you think that the Chinese government makes such major decisions without any kind of thought or planning?

The bottom line is that Myanmar is more important in strategic terms, they can provide us access to warm waters via land connection just like Pakistan can.

Whereas Bangladesh is not only surrounded by India on all sides, but India controls Bangladesh through the Hasina government. There is no land connection between China and Bangladesh, unless you want to go through India.

Not to mention that Bangladesh sold us out over the Sonadia port, on India's orders.

Agreed on highlighted part. From a geo political prospective, that is where China's non political and business only policy engagement shows its limitation. I am no way absolving Bangladesh and Bangladesh own people from their responsibilities.

These are early days for thinking of corridor through Myanmar. Knowing past record of Myanmar erratic behavior and conflicting geo political interests over Myanmar, game is just starting. Although, awami (Hasina) regime put Bangladesh behind by not implementing Sonadia deep sea port. For China, just one simple fact to consider - if india consider just having a seaport in Bangladesh is a threat to them, what is india thinking (and planning) about China having port, corridor and entire business and security activities in Myanmar cost; much closer to indian claimed island and naval installation of Andaman???

Not to mention, how US will react to China by passing Malacca and rendering much of US pacific fleet activities redundant.

Knowing terror and other nefarious means india (and US for that matter) deployed to harm other Chinese economic corridor with Pakistan, there is no telling how much more india will be using its terror and insurgency tactics against Chinese economic corridor through Myanmar.

 

[武成王]

This largely depends on the attitude of the Myanmar government.
They have to first agree the cease-fire, then we can stabilize the entire region via mediation, and eventually we can relocate those Rohingya refugees back to their homeland.

Who is we ? If *we* is China, BD and MM, *we* make sense, if *we* mean China, wrong.
China is a mediator, not a commander. Ceasefire is the first stage of three stage proposal from Wang Yi, it's already achieved. MM and BD already signed an agreement on refugee repatriation. China promised to deliver next round low interest loan to BD during Wang Yi's visit to Dhaka, and later in MM he announced a new proposal of *China Myanmar Economic Corridor*, so basically the environment for reconciliation is gradually in shape.

The real concern is ARSA, as long as ARSA exist, MM is happily to use this pretext, BD government also have concern over its recruitment in refugee camp. I believe MM has no appetite to be sanctioned for yet another 20 years, BD also has no appetite to cultivate yet another Taliban in BD. BD and MM should become an ally if they really want peace.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Who is we ? If *we* is China, BD and MM, *we* make sense, if *we* mean China, wrong.
China is a mediator, not a commander. Ceasefire is the first stage of three stage proposal from Wang Yi, it's already achieved. MM and BD already signed an agreement on refugee repatriation. China promised to deliver next round low interest loan to BD during Wang Yi's visit to Dhaka, and later in MM he announced a new proposal of *China Myanmar Economic Corridor*, so basically the environment for reconciliation is gradually in shape.

The real concern is ARSA, as long as ARSA exist, MM is happily to use this pretext, BD government also have concern over its recruitment in refugee camp. I believe MM has no appetite to be sanctioned for yet another 20 years, BD also has no appetite to cultivate yet another Taliban in BD. BD and MM should become an ally if they really want peace.

we = China + Myanmar + Bengladesh

 

[武成王]

The grand game of geopolitics in Indian Ocean will step into next stage. For MM, it can provide a sea port in India Ocean to significantly shorten the long transportation route from eastern coastline of China, however this definitely has nothing to do with the crap *Malacca* dilemma as someones fabricate, if US navy block the sea route to contain China, this basically indicate a full scale war and probably escalate into a nuclear war, under such condition, China don't need any alternative sea route anyway, this is quite different from the WWII stage. The sea port is primarily to reduce the cost for transportation, integration of economy of ASEAN into sphere of China's industrial supply chain and market, a facility to build a healthy ecosystem and common interest binding. BD can conveniently connect itself into the region of ASEAN and Southern China via MM to escape from the dilemma *jailed by India from three sides*. Rohingya issue is the last blockade between BD and MM, however along with the economy development of this region, I firmly believe this issue will be resolved peacefully, after all the Rohingyas population is very small relatively to the population of MM.

 

[Bilal9]

Hmm do you think that the Chinese government makes such major decisions without any kind of thought or planning?

The bottom line is that Myanmar is more important in strategic terms, they can provide us access to warm waters via land connection just like Pakistan can.

Whereas Bangladesh is not only surrounded by India on all sides, but India controls Bangladesh through the Hasina government. There is no land connection between China and Bangladesh, unless you want to go through India.

Not to mention that Bangladesh sold us out over the Sonadia port, on India's orders.

Let's take a chill pill brother.

First - please don't compare us to Indians or call us Indian lackeys. That is the highest form of insult for us.

Just because Bangladesh (Mèngjiālā Guo) is surrounded by India, does not mean they control our politics and diplomacy (don't listen to Indian trolls who will try to tell you otherwise). Diplomacy is balance and pursuing national interest, as you said. Hasina has played India well. The armed forces however - is very pro-Chinese. Most of the equipment and armament comes from China.

For our diplomatic situation - sometimes India's whims cannot be ignored. They are a very strong neighbor. However Indian Govts. actions are not always the final word.

China's influence must be activated on the ground in Bangladesh by concrete diplomatic action. Like someone (@UKBengali ?) said - Bangladesh has never back-stabbed China like Vietnam or other smaller nations did, nor do I see this happening in the future. We are a mature nation with a long tradition of political maturity. We have seen the value of great diplomatic overtures with China historically, we see no reason to change this in the future. In this respect, we are similar to where Sri Lanka is with China.

India is not investing in our country in rapid fashion, China is. Bangladesh' economic future is intertwined with China, not India. Indian govt. knows this very well.

In Bangladesh - public support for China and public hate for India are both at all time highs. You can come to Bangladesh to see this at ground level. Lately relations have soured with India even further (Indian FM met with local opposition party against diplomatic norms while on her visit here).

If the support, commitment and overtures shown by China CCP are not seen locally as strong enough (because maybe Bangladesh is not perceived to be important enough strategically to Chinese Govt. at least right now), then Bangladesh will have to heed India's opinion somewhat, especially for India's strategic defense concerns. This was more true in the past than right now (4th QTR 2017).

We have always expected the backing of your country to counter India. I am sorry to say this has not been consistently received.

Other than diplomacy - there is a lot happening with China economically. There is massive industrial investment happening, both by local industrialists/business-people in JV with Chinese companies for machinery/technology, as well as Chinese companies setting up shop in our export processing zones to export items to Europe and US - utilizing lower cost labor. Even our Naval yards have ongoing JV with WuChang shipbuilding to manufacture OPV and frigate.

I am confident we are more important to China industrial activity-wise than, say - Myanmar. This will become more valuable in terms of value addition in the very near future. I don't see this slowing down anytime soon.

As Thailand became low-cost economic partner of Japan ten/fifteen years ago, Bangladesh is already becoming low-cost partner like this to China. Thailand's (even Indonesia or Vietnam's) labor cost is way higher than Bangladesh. There is no alternative to manufacture low value-added items cheaply in places other than Bangladesh .

No amount of Indian influence will be able to stop this economic cooperation with China.

So - I think Bangladesh as a mature economy is already as important to China as Mynamar is. However I see this going much higher in trajectory for many reasons. Myanmar economy is not as mature as Bangladesh' economy - I'd say about ten or more years behind.

I hate to point fingers, but if China wanted something at Sonadia, then why did China not act strongly and lobby diplomatically with our prime minister? Sonadia port by China always had strong support in our armed forces, however it is local opinion that China did not politically commit strongly enough at that time.

I would say that this was not a correct move at that time by China.