Legality and cold hard cash be dammed, the help given to the Vietnamese by the Chinese cannot be quantified and settled with an invoice.
Mate did you even bothered to read my other previous posts? When you said that China had given Vietnam help and that VN then somehow would owe China her friendship or recognition in return, then you basically have already “quantified” China’s deed to conclude that her deeds have put VN in debt to China, such as a friendship or recognition that you mentioned. But of course, as I have previously said, you seem to have ignored China’s other negative deeds, some of which I have already mentioned.
What is the value of a wife to a husband? The monetary value of a friend who stood up for you against terrible enemies?
A “friend who stood up for us against terrible enemies”? Are you including the US for this example? because sure, you send some equipments and aid for VN to fight against the US,
but then you later switched side and decided to stand with the US as their “friends” when VN was
still fighting its war against the US, during the years of some heaviest bombings I should add. Yet you still dare call yourself a “friend who stood up for you against terrible enemies”??
This is a perfect example of what I was talking about previously, you seem to cherry pick the socalled “positive” actions but ignore your “negative” actions.
As for your wife analogy, yeah sure, a good wife is great, worth more than what money can buy, but what happen if that wife then betrays her husband? or what if it turn out that she had malicious intentions against her husband all along beneath her nice wifey facade? What is her value and worth then???
The value of peasants who cannot afford to feed them selves give sacks of rice to a cause in the inhospitable jungles of S.E.A?
Chinese do not ask for any payment in monetary terms, all that is requested is the friendship of a people or at least the recognition that China assisted Vietnam in a time of crisis. Chinese assistance in the 1950s in terms of food, weapons, ammunition and advisers lead to the dislodging of the parasitic french from Vietnam. The decisive artillery guns in Dien Bien Phu were Chinese, the sacks of rice feeding the Viet Min came from China and the plan to attack Dien Bien Phu was advised by Chinese based on their experience in fighting Western powers in Korea.
What is the monetary value? The Invoice?
First of all, how the CCP had deceived and brainwashed its own poor peasants into giving money is not Vietnam’s fault. If the peasant had any issue with their donation, they should take it up against the CCP. It was very kind of those poor peasants to be giving like that and very unfortunate that they got deceived by their CCP leaders, but the deception was the fault of the CCP.
As for the value of the help that China had sent (some of which the CCP had solicitated and deceived from their poor peasants) it would become worthless if China had malicious motives for giving it or when China later betrays VN.
I have already given you an example: if I give you a house, but have malicious motives for giving it or if I later betray you and destroy your family/friends and burn your 2 other houses, do you think I would then still have the right to brag about my kind deeds for giving you a house and ask you for a recognition or friendship in return?? No I no longer do. Only a shameless person would still ask for “friendship” and “recognition” in that situation.
And I have already given you a few example...that China had planned and intended Vietnam to be divided and weak, a malicious intention that Vietnamese leaders had already knew and western sources agreed with (like the one I referenced). You then send aid so that north Vietnam can exist as a buffer state. When you realized that north VN is determined to send its army to the south and reunify, you switch side and allied with the US. I can (and will) post more articles more detailed on these.
On the topic of betrayal, China did side with the U.S in 1972 but by that time relations with Vietnam had already become frosty. The Sino Soviet split over leadership of the communist world had lead to open fighting and talks of Soviets Nuking China was a real deal concern. So real that tunnel networks had to be constructed in the event that the Soviets with their superior weapons would nuke China. If I recall correctly, the Soviets had amassed 25 divisions on the Chinese border and the primitive Chinese weapons were far from a match back in those days.
As I have said, China had her own interests and had the right to pursue her own interests. China don’t have any obligations to help anyone. China had the right put her priority first when dealing with the China-US-Soviet dynamics.
But you can’t have your cake and eat it. If you have realigned yourself with new allies and have taken actions that betrays Vietnam, then don’t try to still brag about your previous help to VN and talk like VN still owe something in return like friendship and recognition.
Vietnam had to choose a side. Stick with the Asian brother...
When an Asian brother had no intention for Vietnam to be reunified but wanted it to stay divided and weak, and especially when that Asian “brother” later became friends with the enemy that VN was fighting a war against...I don’t think anyone would consider that a “brother”.
Stick with the Asian brothers and sisters who helped them get rid of the French and fight the Americans or side with the richer and more powerful Soviet union...
First of all, you are cherry picking your “deeds” and being inconsistent again, admitting that you have later sided with the US in one paragrapgh and then
still claiming you have helped fight the US in another paragraph. Technically China did helped once in the past, but it is shameful to still talk about it when you later befriend that enemy before the war ended.
And secondly, the Soviet had been with VN (and China) from the start. Ho Chi Minh was first trained in the USSR before he continued in China. It is China who splitted from this alliance and then later befriended the US. Like I said, China had her own reasons against the USSR and had the right to pursue them. But between VN and China, it was China who had broken off and became a turncoat. Don’t try to spin it the other way around.
China betray VN, and add"+other allies", hehe, you hatred make me laugh. the biggest advantage and disadvantage of Vietnam is too close to China, this is warning to Vietnam, this is your fate.
Don’t try to play the “you are a hater” card.
I have already explained why this thread was created. It is an overdued response to the endless Chinese help/VN betrayal rhetorics from your fellow Chinese countrymen. If your Chinese fellows didn’t always repeat tgose same propaganda crap, then this thread wouldn’t have existed.
But as expected, you feel its OK for your fellows to talk about “VN betrayal, etc” but when someone create a thread to debunk and refute them, it suddenly becomes a case of “you are just being a hater”. Your double standard is not surprising.
