China's new Weapons

[gambit]

Perhaps, the clearest militarization of space is America's new anti-missile missile program, a program not just of research but of deploying actual weapons. No matter how ineffective the existing American system is - it has failed many tests, and independent scientists advise us that the computer programming for such a system is truly beyond our existing ability - America's spending new billions on it has to make China and Russia uneasy. The same scientists and other experts warned some years back that a new American "Star Wars" program would start a new weapons race, and they were right. The Russians have already announced the development of a new warhead that spirals unpredictably when heading for its target. It also may put into service a mobile version of its highly-accurate Topple-M intercontinental missile.

This is hilarious...



If it is so obvious that it is impossible to have a missile defense, then why are the Russians and the Chinese so 'uneasy' to the point that it could lead to a new arms race? Why should the Russians bother to develop a maneuvering warhead? Unless, of course, that it is not so impossible after all to have an effective missile defense. This writer apparently does not include critical thinking in his piece.

China's response includes its ability to destroy spy satellites...

No...China does not (yet) have a credible anti-satellite missile program. What China did with the FY-1C satellite was limited in scope. The interceptor missile was from a fixed land based platform. Some may argue that it was launched from a mobile TEL, but that still does not negate the fact that the system is limited by China's geography, unlike the US SM-3, which is ship launch capable, and the Earth is largely covered in water. So currently, for China to actually shoot down any satellite, the system must wait for the satellite to come to it.

Post interception debris analysis does not show any debris in a downward trajectory. This reasonably tell us that the interceptor was in a 'fast' or upward course. While this approach method is a considerable technical achievement in itself in terms of target detection and orientation, in a hypothetical shooting war between the US and China, the US could just simply ordered the satellite to change orbit slightly off a few degrees moments before the satellite break horizon over Chinese territory and that would throw the missile's intercept calculations.

Now...If post interception debris analysis does show debris in a downward trajectory, then this reasonably tell us that the interception came from a 'loft' orbit or downward course. In a 'loft' trajectory, the missile's course should take it to a higher orbit than the satellite's orbit, the missile then search for the target satellite, predict its course, then descend upon it. Since a 'loft' orbit is the higher altitude, there is more time available and any satellite maneuver will be detected and if the missile is capable, it will make appropriate corrections. Even though the 'fast' interception course is sensor demanding, a 'loft' interception is actually even more demanding in terms of sensor sophistication since now the missile must be able to distinguish the satellite from background clutter, if any, and more difficult if the target maneuvers.

While this is an impressive technical achievement by China, it is at least one generation behind the US SM-3 and past ASAT programs. The shoot down of US-193 by a ship launched SM-3 interceptor demonstrate a true 'at will' ASAT capability by the US. In a hypothetical but technically feasible scenario, if a targeted satellite is deemed sufficiently instrumental to the conflict, several Aegis cruisers can be stationed along the target's predicted orbital path. If one ship missed, the next one line can take its chance.

Most people probably forgot about the F-15 ASAT program back in the 1980s...

ASM-135 ASAT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 13 September 1985, Maj. Wilbert D. "Doug" Pearson, flying the "Celestial Eagle" F-15A 76-0084 launched an ASM-135 ASAT about 200 miles (322 km) west of Vandenberg Air Force Base and destroyed the Solwind P78-1 satellite flying at an altitude of 345 miles (555 km). Prior to the launch the F-15 flying at Mach 1.22 executed a 3.8g zoom climb at an angle of 65 degrees. The ASM-134 ASAT was automatically launched at 38,100 ft while the F-15 was flying at Mach .934.[7] The 30 lb (13.6 kg) MHV collided with the 2,000 lb (907 kg) Solwind P78-1 satellite at closing velocity of 15,000 mph (24,140 km/h).

Although any project that involved space naturally involves technical difficulties, the program was cancelled largely for financial, not technical, reasons.

The United States Air Force intended to modify 20 F-15A fighters from the 318th Fighter Intercepter Squadron based at McChord Air Force Base in the United States state of Washington and the 48th Fighter Interceptor Squadron based at Langley Air Force Base in the United States state of Virginia for the anti-satellite mission. Both squadrons had airframes modified to support the ASM-135 by the time the project was cancelled in 1988.[13]

The USAF had planned to deploy an operational force of 112 ASM-135 missiles.

There are no reasons to doubt that this method will be abandoned, unless something in the line of a 'death ray' come along. Now imagine the US fully capable of deploying ASAT systems anywhere in the world, land and/or sea, within 24hrs and it is clear that no potential adversary's satellites are safe. This and the ship launch SM-3 constitute a true 'at will' ASAT capability.

 

[aimarraul]

is it possible to buy the American-equipped GMT a ticket to Tiwan
is it possible to stop your invasion in Korean War and Viet Nam
is it possible to shot down plenty of RB-57 and U-2 with J-7and HQ-2
after 65 years antagonism with PLA,you should know that we always enjoy the impossible misson since the day the PLA was established，you can keep playing your old lady role.

the world audience have witnessed your impossible performance in Afghanistan

 

[gambit]

China's new investments in its military are, like so many things about China, heavily criticized by the American establishment. The truth is they represent a small fraction of what the U.S. spends, no matter what accounting you use. Widely accepted, published data put China's military spending at about 10% of America's, although some say it may be about half again more than that through hidden spending. They may be right, but they ignore the reality of a great deal of hidden spending in America, particularly when it comes to so-called black programs,...

This is rich indeed.

This guy expect us to believe that a dictatorship like China is open, read 'published', about defense spending but an open society like the US is overflowing with 'black' programs.

...and the unquestioned fact remains that America accounts for fully half of the entire planet's military spending.

Uh...huh...As if the wealth generated by the Internet and GPS, American products, does not eclipse our military budgets by magnitudes. And that includes wealth generated in China.

 

[gambit]

is it possible to buy the American-equipped GMT a ticket to Tiwan
is it possible to stop your invasion in Korean War and Viet Nam
is it possible to shot down plenty of RB-57 and U-2 with J-7and HQ-2
after 65 years antagonism with PLA,you should know that we always enjoy the impossible misson since the day the PLA was established，you can keep playing your old lady role.

the world audience have witnessed your impossible performance in Afghanistan

Buddy...If there is a shooting war between the US and China, the US Navy will pan the PLAN and the US Air Force will poof the PLAAF, leaving the PLA to clean up the mess on mainland China and off Chinese coast.

 

[aimarraul]

Buddy...If there is a shooting war between the US and China, the US Navy will pan the PLAN and the US Air Force will poof the PLAAF, leaving the PLA to clean up the mess on mainland China and off Chinese coast.

are you sure mainland US will be ok if you start the war now? are you sure you will still be where you are when the next China-US war break out ?

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

are you sure mainland US will be ok if you start the war now? are you sure you will still be where you are when the next China-US war break out ?

They say, Small dogs bark the loudest. Only in times of difficulty do we know who is the strongest.

 

[gambit]

are you sure mainland US will be ok if you start the war now? are you sure you will still be where you are when the next China-US war break out ?

Are you sure you can think in a rational manner? If there is going to be a shooting war between US and China, the conventional fight will be in China's soil and off China's coast. If China escalate the conflict to nuclear, the US have a gross numerical advantage in nuclear warheads, via missiles or aircrafts, to utterly destroy the PLA anywhere there is a mass formation of them.

 

[gambit]

They say, Small dogs bark the loudest. Only in times of difficulty do we know who is the strongest.

You must be speaking of the PLA.

 

[gambit]

China's new spending is to a considerable extent driven by what it sees as American imperial attitudes and behavior. Recall the incident of the American spy plane flying right up against Chinese air space early in Bush's administration and being forced down by the Chinese. This was an extremely provocative act, somewhat resembling the flight of an American U-2 over Russia just days before a scheduled summit between Eisenhower and Khruschev.

This is absurd. If it is admitted that the US recon aircraft did NOT violate China's airspace, then China is clearly the aggressor here. Electronic Intelligence (ELINT) does not need to cross anyone's airspace. The U-2 overflights were photographic reconnaissance missions and the Soviets were fully within their rights in trying to shoot down any flights.

 

[aimarraul]

gambit,let's stop wasting time,the next china-us war won't happen in the next decades as long as you stay away from china and our neighbouring countries.india is our first threat now,but when it comes to US,everywhere

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

I agree USA has advantage in nukes, airforce and navy. But it aint the PLA that is barking, they are silent. The one barking here is obvious to anyone who listens....

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

gambit,let's stop wasting time,the next china-us war won't happen in the next decades as long as you stay away from china and our neighbouring countries.india is our first threat now,but when it comes to US,everywhere

Ignore him. Actually there's been a huge shift in attitude in the USA. Only a few years ago one could hear jingolistic red-neck attitudes by most Americans, but nowadays only a few share gambit's attitude. I don't think there is going to be any war (proxy wars maybe) as there is too much to lose for all parties. If there is war, well it will immediately lead to nuclear war and hundreds of millions will die. That is all there is to it.Let's hope for cooperation.

 

[aimarraul]

Ignore him. Actually there's been a huge shift in attitude in the USA. Only a few years ago one could hear jingolistic red-neck attitudes by most Americans, but nowadays only a few share gambit's attitude. I don't think there is going to be any war (proxy wars maybe) as there is too much to lose for all parties. If there is war, well it will immediately lead to nuclear war and hundreds of millions will die. That is all there is to it.Let's hope for cooperation.

please prove to me you are chinese,indian here always enjoy the dirty game sometimes they are pretend to be pakistani, sometimes they are pretend to be russian

 

[gambit]

China then promptly allowed the crew to be flown home and returned the spy plane, after a bit of time, disassembled in a crate, mimicking a much earlier American exploit, one that undoubtedly had provided many laughs over the years at the Pentagon, when a defecting Soviet pilot landed one of the U.S.S.R.'s most advanced fighters in Japan. No one knows how successful the Chinese were in studying the spy plane's top-secret electronic gear, but generally such machines are destroyed by explosive devices detonated by the crew when crashing or being forced to land. Things can be learned even from demolished mechanisms. Then again, those devices don't always work.

Another absurd moment by this writer.

We designed the aircraft for what it does so of course we would know the extent of extraction of any hardware intelligence. There is little comparison between this event and the MIG-25's defection. With the MIG-25, not only did we have the aircraft we also have a compliant pilot who revealed the aircraft's operational strengths and weaknesses, which of course would lead anyone to further speculate with better accuracy the state of the Soviet military and Soviet technology.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

please prove to me you are chinese,indian here always enjoy the dirty game sometimes they are pretend to be pakistan, sometimes they are pretend to be russian

Proof is in one's actions! A TRUE chinese would not do anything to hurt his people --> read through my postings and you will have the proof you seek!