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China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

Out of war is not 100% either as you said it depends on where the missile hits.

Out of war is definitely 100% because you do not wish to operate a damaged carrier in the middle of war. What if the carriers own defense system is crippled or it is not able to manoeuvre?
 
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Out of war is definitely 100% because you do not wish to operate a damaged carrier in the middle of war. What if? the carriers own defense system is crippled or it is not able to manoeuvre?

Again, there is if.....so you are not 100% sure!
 
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For Pete's sake, its just a very high speed AShM, I still don't see how people call it impervious to missile defense and what not.

there is only one way to find out
by the way after missile is fired who is to say if it was fired from 250 miles or 500 miles.
 
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A missile with Mach 3.5 speed without remjet having bellow 400 KG weight and 150 KM + range is BS. In normal engine, you have to put oxidizer which significantly increase the weight which plane like JF 17 can not carry. If it weighs less than JF 17 have to come very close. in the shooting range of EX SAM.

Let us assume that it is fired from a close range, MRSAM shall shoot it down.
 
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I visited Indian defense forum every thread filled with lies and fine example of hypocrisy even they don't want to listen a reasonable argument from a Pakistani why this Indian sh..t here abusing and using foul language here in this forum we are here to discuss and share our knowledge. Admin kindly ban this Indian Sh..t. We need reasonable arguments not bullying.

I totally agree with you on that, I occasionally visit ***, Indian defense forum and Bharat rakshak they are full of hate, bias and extremely bad language for Pakistan while those Indian try to teach ethics and moral here. Mods should look into it as this Pakistani Defense Forum.

Sorry for being off topic.
 
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If the missiles flys high and then goes into a dive to attain high speed, to hit target, there is your weakness.
Such a missile will be easier to see and track with radar than a sea skimmer. Also interception will happen earlier.
Its no Brahmos, and its no Carrier Killer either. If such a missile is to be a threat, the PAF will need to launch dozens at the same time, to hit even a single target.
weight as 910 kg and range as 100-240 km
1 ton missile with a range of 240 with high-high flight mode and minimum range of 100 KM because it needs the distance to fly high.
Okay, its new but nothing revolutionary. the KH-31 ASM is more devestating given its flight profile.
A list of system features appears to confirm an unusual characteristic associated with the CM-400. Unlike most high-speed cruise missiles, which fly at low altitude to avoid detection, the CM-400 uses “high [altitude] launching” to achieve “higher aircraft survivability”, according to the video.
"higher aircraft survivability"? are they talking missile or the launch platform because that doesn't sound to good for survivability of the missile.
A fighter such as the Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 would launch the missile at speeds between Mach 0.7 and M0.9 at an elevation between 26,200ft and 39,400ft, according to the AVIC specifications.
Given its flight profile, I don't see it suprising enemy boats.
Also it is to be noted that the Barak 1 was tested against KH-31 which has a similar terminal velocity. And Barak 8 was tested against Brahmos on multiple occasions, long range and short range as well.
 
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if missile is called carrier killer doesn't mean will not be used against enemy ships it shall be used more for defensive purposes from attacking enemy frigates or destroyers. Further Missile can reach up range of 250KM which is quite sufficient to defend our coast line. Further in future like Brahmos , PN may start JV with China to develop next version of under discussion Missile with long range. Pak May also further develop Raad-Hatf VIII Missile further in naval role which already has range of 350KM may be easily increased up to 500 to 600Km.
Further there are major chances that PN will get it's own multi role naval fighter may be of 4.5th gen which will have stealth features, so a semi stealth plane with high flight ceiling and speed of Mach 2.2+ may pierce through any defenses not only Indian's and may effectively fire Missile from 5 to 600KM easily.

Further it is a fact that u will have to pay price to attack any Aircraft Carrier due to heavy defenses.
 
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BTW JF-17 engaging a MiG is one thing, winning against it is whole another thing.

Dont worry sir, we can handle every aircraft, in which, the pilot is, an Indian..... !!!! Be it a Mig or F-35....[/QUOTE]
larke tune to dill jeet liya

carriers are not dummy shots...will commentator keep that in mind......carrier killer lul.....first how PN or PAF going is going to pass carrier battle group defense...
abay jin ki kabotaro se phat ti hai un ke liya missle ka name hi kafi hai
 
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what is the use of ur navy if u need ur airforce JF17's to attack IN ? :lol: :azn: :rofl:
Bro, You made my day :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

A rather limited perspective IHMO.
As if IN does not operate under cover of landbased aviation....

Consider:

F-16C Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on hi-lo-hi mission w. four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mirage IIIE Combat radius: 1,200 km (647 nmi, 746 mi)
Dassault Mirage III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

JF-17 Combat radius: 1,352 km (840 mi)
CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tejas LCA Combat radius: 500 km (162 nmi, 186 mi)
HAL Tejas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mig-29K combat radius of 850 km (531 mi).
Mikoyan MiG-29K - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SU-30MKI Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By comparison, the Indian EEZ (200nmi, typically).
  • The low level unrefuelled attack range of the SU-30MKI (comparable to JF-17) is about 3,5 times the EEZ.
  • The distance Karachi to Mumbai 477.25 nmi
  • Karachi to Goa is 700.78 nmi
  • Karachi to Cochin is 1041.72 nmi.
  • Karachi to Dar Es Salaam is 2500.91 nmi.
  • Karachi to Jakarta is 2985.65 nmi.
That, my friends, puts land and ship based air cover in proper perspective. Certainly if you then factor in land-based tanker support (which IN aviation is unlikely to get from IAF).

IN carriers provide an additional layer of air defence to a naval task force. The attack capability is limited, relatively speaking. So yes, India would need (or at least use) its landbased SU-30MKI to attack PN surface units. If only to free up its carrier force for other duty.

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IN carriers provide an additional layer of air defence to a naval task force. The attack capability is limited, relatively speaking. So yes, India would need (or at least use) its landbased SU-30MKI to attack PN surface units. If only to free up its carrier force for other duty.

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Isnt Indian Carrier Groups is for naval blockading, or to prevent Pakistani blockading ( or any other muslim nation blockading) in Strait of Hormuz?

Or to create no fly zone/ exclusion zone over a large area?
 
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oh Wannabe White Spotted !!!:rofl:

do my Pakistani Friends really think that these Missiles Can Sunk a Air Craft Carrier ?? :rofl:
If the Chinese claim they can take out USN carriers with their arsenal, why would you believe some of the same weapons cannot sink a somewhat less capable Indian navy carrier, in a somewhat less capable carrier group?
 
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This would not even reach Indian AC-the JF 17 carrying this one would not cross the ' Mig Screen '.
Carrier killer?? lol

You want a demo? Please do something so that we can test on you.
 
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Isnt Indian Carrier Groups is for naval blockading, or to prevent Pakistani blockading ( or any other muslim nation blockading) in Strait of Hormuz?

Or to create no fly zone/ exclusion zone over a large area?

SU-30MKI combat range: 1,620 nmi
Jam Nagar AFB - Bandar Abbas: 803.27 nmi (in range also for Mirage-2000)
Mumbai - Bandar Abbas: 1038.00 nmi

Having a carrier and escorting ships near the Strait of Hormuz would certainly have advantages, such as faster response times, longer loiter time, heavier war load over shorter distance etc. Without ships it is difficult to e.g. board and search ships. But in a major conflict scenario, you could/would still have Su-30MKI flying CAP over the area, backed by IL-76 based AWACS and tankers. The navy would use its land-based 1,200 nmi (with 4 hrs on station) P-8I, the 3887nmi IL-38 MPA's and the 6775 nmi range Tu-142 Bear MPA/bomber for recon, patrol and (antiship) strikes.

Likewise for a no-fly zone in the Indian Ocean. The carrier force comes into play for real at the very edges of the land-based air cover. And where staying power is required. That goes in the direction of the Gulf but also in the direction of the Malacca and Sunda Straits. and the antarcic.

Pakistan is in no position to blockade: they don't have the necessary number and quality of ships. Pakistan's naval doctrine is sea denial.
 
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