China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[danger007]

or it will just release weapons 250 KM away and avoid it at all

1) AEW asset detects incoming Anti-Ship missiles at a distance of ~150 km from the main fleet.
2) AEW asset relays the details of the hostile missiles back to the fleet and to the fighter aircraft operating from the fleet carrier.
3) Fighters armed with Air to air missiles switch on afterburner and speed towards the indicated target.
4) Fighters detect the incoming hostile missiles on their own radar and lock on to it.
5) Once the hostile missiles are in range, multiple AAMs are fired and a successful interception ensures.
6) Hostile AShMs rarely make it past this stage. If they do, they are quickly acquired by the ship borne radars and shot down using long/medium range SAMs.
The existing naval AEW assets are E-2, Ka-31 and Seaking AEW. These are operated by US, Russia, China, UK, France and India. As I said, only the top navies use these force multiplier assets. The Ka-31 is unique as it is frequently deployed from surface combatants as well as carriers.

But now it seems that PN might be looking to have their own fighter fleet may be with Su-35s or possible is the 80-100 Su-27s with latest upgrades that might bring them close to the SU-35s. This will allow the PN to guard better.

not going to happen.. it just pakistanis wishful thinking...

 

[dilpakistani]

1) AEW asset detects incoming Anti-Ship missiles at a distance of ~150 km from the main fleet.
2) AEW asset relays the details of the hostile missiles back to the fleet and to the fighter aircraft operating from the fleet carrier.
3) Fighters armed with Air to air missiles switch on afterburner and speed towards the indicated target.
4) Fighters detect the incoming hostile missiles on their own radar and lock on to it.
5) Once the hostile missiles are in range, multiple AAMs are fired and a successful interception ensures.
6) Hostile AShMs rarely make it past this stage. If they do, they are quickly acquired by the ship borne radars and shot down using long/medium range SAMs.
The existing naval AEW assets are E-2, Ka-31 and Seaking AEW. These are operated by US, Russia, China, UK, France and India. As I said, only the top navies use these force multiplier assets. The Ka-31 is unique as it is frequently deployed from surface combatants as well as carriers.



not going to happen.. it just pakistanis wishful thinking...

Well i'm not insisting to destroy Indian ship... I really wish that it never comes to that (both nations are too beautiful to be destroyed like that) but if it does.... sir there would be no way any counter measure on any of your ship will be able to detect a subsonic cruise missile surface skimming the sea and closing in.... When they would be detected it would be too late for counter measures. if that wouldn't be enough then in near future another supersonic weapon (CM-400) will be in theater of war... then my friend Indian Navy can kiss goodbye to Pakistani port blockade ever.... What happened in 1971 was really brave of you guys... but you wouldn't been able to repeat it ever again....

 

[danger007]

Well i'm not insisting to destroy Indian ship... I really wish that it never comes to that (both nations are too beautiful to be destroyed like that) but if it does.... sir there would be no way any counter measure on any of your ship will be able to detect a subsonic cruise missile surface skimming the sea and closing in.... When they would be detected it would be too late for counter measures. if that wouldn't be enough then in near future another supersonic weapon (CM-400) will be in theater of war... then my friend Indian Navy can kiss goodbye to Pakistani port blockade ever.... What happened in 1971 was really brave of
you guys... but you wouldn't been able to repeat it ever again....

No you are over there... every ship is designed to face multiple threat... why you are thinking IN will give chance to get close to fire a missile??? Short range sams deployed in every ship for a reason... You are talking about a CBG... in case of War, they will be on high alert.... don't talk in unprofessional way... war scenario will be completely different from what you are thinking..

 

[dilpakistani]

No you are over there... every ship is designed to face multiple threat... why you are thinking IN will give chance to get close to fire a missile??? Short range sams deployed in every ship for a reason... You are talking about a CBG... in case of War, they will be on high alert.... don't talk in unprofessional way... war scenario will be completely different from what you are thinking..

Actually you are bit over rating short range sams as countermeasures or underestimating the lethality of supersonic or subsonic anti ship cruise missiles... anyway... Even Isrealis with their Barak missiles weren't been able to defend their corvette (much smaller target )....

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Well i'm not insisting to destroy Indian ship... I really wish that it never comes to that (both nations are too beautiful to be destroyed like that) but if it does.... sir there would be no way any counter measure on any of your ship will be able to detect a subsonic cruise missile surface skimming the sea and closing in.... When they would be detected it would be too late for counter measures. if that wouldn't be enough then in near future another supersonic weapon (CM-400) will be in theater of war... then my friend Indian Navy can kiss goodbye to Pakistani port blockade ever.... What happened in 1971 was really brave of you guys... but you wouldn't been able to repeat it ever again....

Lets have one clear point. The Radar range of a CBG is far bigger than a JF17 radar. A CBG radar can locate a ac even before it can acquire a carrier in its radar and then to fire a missile.
It is entirely possible, a CBG will start taking counter measures even before a JF 17 can know it.

 

[Basel]

Lets have one clear point. The Radar range of a CBG is far bigger than a JF17 radar. A CBG radar can locate a ac even before it can acquire a carrier in its radar and then to fire a missile.
It is entirely possible, a CBG will start taking counter measures even before a JF 17 can know it.

JF-17 will only activate their radar when they will be launching missile salvo other then that AWACS will be monitoring and guiding them and they can track ships up to 450 kms

 

[dilpakistani]

Lets have one clear point. The Radar range of a CBG is far bigger than a JF17 radar. A CBG radar can locate a ac even before it can acquire a carrier in its radar and then to fire a missile.
It is entirely possible, a CBG will start taking counter measures even before a JF 17 can know it.

Yup it can....but there are ways to avoid it...... by the way even battle group is used to block a port it has to come closer to the shore right?.... there the odds are....

 

[xyxmt]

For Pete's sake, its just a very high speed AShM, I still don't see how people call it impervious to missile defense and what not.

are you going to bet on your missile defense on a mach 4 missile?

 

[danger007]

Yup it can....but there are ways to avoid it ...... by the way even battle group is used to block a port it has to come closer to the shore right?.... there the odds are....

No need to come close... CBG can blockade from 400-500km range...

Actually you are bit over rating short range sams as countermeasures or underestimating the lethality of supersonic or subsonic anti ship cruise missiles... anyway... Even Isrealis with their Barak missiles weren't been able to defend their corvette (much smaller target )....

you are making silly assumptions... Over rating Short range SAMS??? have you heard about Manpods??? you are talking about CBG it's like hornet nest... You are over rating Ashm... read # Taimikhan post 214 i think

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

JF-17 will only activate their radar when they will be launching missile salvo other then that AWACS will be monitoring and guiding them and they can track ships up to 450 kms

Doesnt matter when they activate radars buddy. Even with the help of AWACS , a JF 17 has to come in the range of its own radar to launch a missile. And thats enough for a CBG. It still can locate a JF 17 long before its radar can lock onto the CBG.
AWACS tracking ships is beyond the point. Finally its the fighters that should lock onto a target, and not the AWACS

 

[Basel]

Doesnt matter when they activate radars buddy. Even with the help of AWACS , a JF 17 has to come in the range of its own radar to launch a missile. And thats enough for a CBG. It still can locate a JF 17 long before its radar can lock onto the CBG.
AWACS tracking ships is beyond the point. Finally its the fighters that should lock onto a target, and not the AWACS

This is 21st Century and weapons launching platform not necessarily need to guide them it can be done with 3rd party like UAVs etc. Also ever heard of E-2D capability of guiding weapons?? that is future dude and China will have it soon too which means we will have it too.

JF-17 will not be flying solo they will have escort and PAF will not just launch supersonic missiles they will also use subsonic missiles of western / eastern origin and remember PAF also have HARM capability of beyond 100km range which will allow then do daredevil missions.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

This is 21st Century and weapons launching platform not necessarily need to guide them it can be done with 3rd party like UAVs etc. Also ever heard of E-2D capability of guiding weapons?? that is future dude and China will have it soon too which means we will have it too.

JF-17 will not be flying solo they will have escort and PAF will not just launch supersonic missiles they will also use subsonic missiles of western / eastern origin and remember PAF also have HARM capability of beyond 100km range which will allow then do daredevil missions.

What you are trying to tell is beyond the scope of discussion. Last time I saw, PAF were busy defending Army and they forgot the Navy, and our naval force had a feast. Pakistan isnt in Africa. If a CBG is in danger, lets say 50 PAF ac, IAF aircraft will come over to give their aid. And PAF would want to avoid a situation having IAF in Naval war.
PAF planners arent idiots either. They will send a limited amount of ac, say 1 squadron atleast, which can be dealt by the CBG's aircraft alone.

I know about the guiding of missiles. But still if you are to launch a missile, especially Ashm, you still need to lock from a mother aircraft. You still cant guide it blindly.
Maybe the USA can do it. But countries like India, Pakistan are decade away from achieving that capability

 

[Basel]

What you are trying to tell is beyond the scope of discussion. Last time I saw, PAF were busy defending Army and they forgot the Navy, and our naval force had a feast. Pakistan isnt in Africa. If a CBG is in danger, lets say 50 PAF ac, IAF aircraft will come over to give their aid. And PAF would want to avoid a situation having IAF in Naval war.
PAF planners arent idiots either. They will send a limited amount of ac, say 1 squadron atleast, which can be dealt by the CBG's aircraft alone.

I know about the guiding of missiles. But still if you are to launch a missile, especially Ashm, you still need to lock from a mother aircraft. You still cant guide it blindly.
Maybe the USA can do it. But countries like India, Pakistan are decade away from achieving that capability

PN's request for 30 dedicated JF-17s for Navy have been approved by the govt. so they will have their strike package supported by AWACS & MPAs and escorted by PAF, any strike against IN CBG will be not a solo one it will be combined effort of PN & PAF utilizing whatever they have.

small UAVs like scan eagle can stay on station for hours and can provide targeting data to launching platform of directly to weapon and guess what Pakistan have those.

Dude ever hard of something called Lock On After Launch or LOAL capability?? Its NCW era man and PN have this capability along with PAF.

 

[knight11]

This is 21st Century and weapons launching platform not necessarily need to guide them it can be done with 3rd party like UAVs etc. Also ever heard of E-2D capability of guiding weapons?? that is future dude and China will have it soon too which means we will have it too.

JF-17 will not be flying solo they will have escort and PAF will not just launch supersonic missiles they will also use subsonic missiles of western / eastern origin and remember PAF also have HARM capability of beyond 100km range which will allow then do daredevil missions.

Does I heard a solo JF-17 is going to attack/destroy our carrier. Can you elaborate how your PAF JF-17 and its escorts(unknown), and UAV (unknown but of Chinese origin) with supersonic, subsonic, HARM capable weapon(pls specify) and yes DAREDEVIL mission.

 

[Basel]

Does I heard a solo JF-17 is going to attack/destroy our carrier. Can you elaborate how your PAF JF-17 and its escorts(unknown), and UAV (unknown but of Chinese origin) with supersonic, subsonic, HARM capable weapon(pls specify) and yes DAREDEVIL mission.

PAF pilots who fly Maritime role mirages have mastered their attacking capability against USN CBG in exercise and USN is teaching PN & PAF how to take care of a CBG.

Pakistan have western & local UAVs and we only use one Chinese influenced UCAV (although we may purchase MALE UCAV) from China.

The weapons you are asking about are known to PDF members as they are discussed deeply here, so please Google or read PDF extensively.

Also I was referring to solo maritime strike package of JF-17 not solo JF-17.