China's military build-up (a waste of money and prestige and possibly blood?)

[PeaceGen]

Get real, in these days and age if you are militarily weak some assholes aka the West and their allies (US, Britain, france, Jap) will undoubtedly bully you at every turn. China must and will build up its military at all costs, only to protect its own interests.

i would have had no problem with a military buildup to just under US strength levels, but the Chinese together with the Russians once again think (not only here, but also in their foreign and military policies) that they can take the global leader position.

and that's what's crossing the line from a responsible self-defense-capable deterrent force, to a force that is always a real threat.
and in the that last case, the whole world is either in fear of war, or in actual war (somehwere, or everywhere), all the time, for decades, while the arms race plays out.

and the loser's economy will be so wrecked it will be extremely hard to actually impossible, to keep supermarkets well-stocked with food to buy at reasonable prices.

 

[atan651]

It is US own insecurity that perceives Chinese military buildup as a threat, nothing else.

 

[PeaceGen]

It is US own insecurity that perceives Chinese military buildup as a threat, nothing else.

it wouldn't be their insecurities that perceives Chinese military buildup as a threat,
it would be the Chinese's / Russian's vocal chest-thumping and boasting and enlarged expansion drive for Chinese-Communism-v2.0 coming from China on a large scale, even in news paper headlines that (already!) reach our shores,
that makes us perceive you as a real threat to possibly be deal with decisively at that point.

what i'm seeing in terms of behavior of some Chinese on this forum, backed by a few muslims with lust for revenge in their hearts, and backed by arms races started by Russia already (nuclear powered cruise missiles, nuclear powered autonomous underwater bombs, etc, etc),

is not giving me much hope that this arms race can be avoided.

but i can and will hope that i'm dealing with a few ultra-nationalists and not a representation of the Chinese population or government.

still, i won't allow your reputation attacks to continue.

sorry to the more reasonable Chinese out there, but your countrymen here do not give me any other choice.
that is documented in brief statements by me at these addresses :
* how this reputatoin-bashing became something to combat sword-vs-sword-style : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/keep...navy-plane-but-the-us-didnt-back-down.572280/
* when and how it can end : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/falu...urdered-organ-harvested.572479/#post-10708539
* my views about actual war (part 1) : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...tige-and-possibly-blood.572478/#post-10708639
* my views about actual war (part 2) : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...tige-and-possibly-blood.572478/#post-10708652

 

[Offshore]

it's the country/countries trying to surpass the militarily-strongest that are guilty of starting *and* continuing any arms-race.

You better stop smoking whatever weed you smoke. You lost quite a bit of your brain cell

 

[seven7seven]

i would have had no problem with a military buildup to just under US strength levels, but the Chinese together with the Russians once again think (not only here, but also in their foreign and military policies) that they can take the global leader position.

and that's what's crossing the line from a responsible self-defense-capable deterrent force, to a force that is always a real threat.
and in the that last case, the whole world is either in fear of war, or in actual war (somehwere, or everywhere), all the time, for decades, while the arms race plays out.

and the loser's economy will be so wrecked it will be extremely hard to actually impossible, to keep supermarkets well-stocked with food to buy at reasonable prices.

Why are all the things you are asking China to do not applicable to the USA?
USA has unilaterally broken International accords on countless occasions, with the Iran sanctions being one of the most recent. You make it out as if USA has been a responsible hegemon and not a country who has initiated nearly all wars since World War 2 and been responsible for the slaughter of ten of millions of civilians in wars all over the globe. What has China done in comparison to make you have so little faith in them? Besides your obvious dislike for China's political ideology. You smack of such naivety and double-standards. I think you should get off your high horse and smell the roses of reality and understand why the World is what it is. Power is power. All countries want it and there is no fairness when it comes to acquiring it.

 

[PeaceGen]

You better stop smoking whatever weed you smoke. You lost quite a bit of your brain cell

my statement is based on common-sense logic.

 

[atan651]

@peacefan: I think you are just a naïve kid living in your own fantasy world. BTW, Goku is a cartoon character, not real!

 

[Offshore]

my statement is based on common-sense logic.

Cant argue with natural born retard

 

[PeaceGen]

Why are all the things you are asking China to do not applicable to the USA?
USA has unilaterally broken International accords on countless occasions, with the Iran sanctions being one of the most recent. You make it out as if USA has been a responsible hegemon and not a country who has initiated nearly all wars since World War 2 and been responsible for the slaughter of ten of millions of civilians in wars all over the globe. What has China done in comparison to make you have so little faith in them? Besides your obvious dislike for China's political ideology. You smack of such naivety and double-standards. I think you should get off your high horse and smell the roses of reality and understand why the World is what it is. Power is power. All countries want it and there is no fairness when it comes to acquiring it.

Those wars were all provoked by counties lke Russia and China going on an expansionist drive for communism that resulted in a proxy war in Viewnam, possibly Korea too, and instead of giving the people a real choice via a referendum whether or not they want to become communist or capitalist, you tricked them into supporting communism.

we couldn't allow that domino effect (of one smaller nation falling into communist rule after another) to continue, so we were forced to put the heaviest price on such decisions by smaller countries. support the anti-communist groups in those countries with so much force that it resulted in a prolonged proxy war.
as far as i'm concerned, as far as any objective historian is concerned, large communist nations started the Vietnam and Korean wars and "saw them to completion" (kept them running for years). the blood lost is on the hands of the Communists stubborn enough to venture outside the 2 large countries they already had under communist control (Russia, China).

@peacefan: I think you are just a naïve kid living in your own fantasy world. BTW, Goku is a cartoon character, not real!

what's naiive is thinking this kind of verbal attacks that you do on this forum as some kind of sport, will not result in financing of violent types, recruitement of violent types, for more attacks against western targets.
i won't tolerate that.

and Goku is a cartoon character for a reason : so he can inspire us to have great ambitions about personal strength and the quality of our moral sense.

 

[seven7seven]

Those wars were all provoked by counties lke Russia and China going on an expansionist drive for communism that resulted in a proxy war in Viewnam, possibly Korea too, and instead of giving the people a real choice via a referendum whether or not they want to become communist or capitalist, you tricked them into supporting communism.

we couldn't allow that domino effect (of one smaller nation falling into communist rule after another) to continue, so we were forced to put the heaviest price on such decisions by smaller countries. support the anti-communist groups in those countries with so much force that it resulted in a prolonged proxy war.
as far as i'm concerned, as far as any objective historian is concerned, large communist nations started the Vietnam and Korean wars and "saw them to completion" (kept them running for years). the blood lost is on the hands of the Communists stubborn enough to venture outside the 2 large countries they already had under communist control (Russia, China).


what's naiive is thinking this kind of verbal attacks that you do on this forum as some kind of sport, will not result in financing of violent types, recruitement of violent types, for more attacks against western targets.
i won't tolerate that.

and Goku is a cartoon character for a reason : so he can inspire us to have great ambitions about personal strength and the quality of our moral sense.

I grew up in the UK so know the West's spin on communism. I, unlike you, have a brain and can decide for myself what the truth is. Believe whatever spin of history you want. Just accept that many don't see it the way you do....not even close.

 

[PeaceGen]

I grew up in the UK so know the West's spin on communism. I, unlike you, have a brain and can decide for myself what the truth is. Believe whatever spin of history you want. Just accept that many don't see it the way you do....not even close.

yeah, to each their own view.

but if you still don't understand what i'm trying to achieve in this one measly sub-forum, namely the prevention of warmongering and reputation attacks that can too easily organise or facilitate actual armed conflicts or terror strikes, then i say i have more brains than you.

 

[seven7seven]

yeah, to each their own view.

but if you still don't understand what i'm trying to achieve in this one measly sub-forum, namely the prevention of warmongering and reputation attacks that can too easily organise or facilitate actual armed conflicts or terror strikes, then i say i have more brains than you.

I don't think anybody on this sub-forum gets what you are trying to say. You clearly must be the smartest person on this forum.

 

[UserUnknown2025]

OP's logic: when someone threatens you with a gun, you don't pull out your own gun because the cost of pulling out a gun is too much for one's life. I also really enjoyed your racist attitude. Are you still living in the 1860s?

 

[PeaceGen]

@UserUnknown2025 and @seven7seven are not making any sense at all.

and yes, i believe that aside from the people that force me to engage them, most people who silently read this forum, are able to understand my viewpoints. maybe even consider them harsh but valid.

 

[seven7seven]

OP's logic: when someone threatens you with a gun, you don't pull out your own gun because the cost of pulling out a gun is too much for one's life. I also really enjoyed your racist attitude. Are you still living in the 1860s?

Yeah, OP's rationalising is that the World is peaceful right now because the White Man is the justified peacekeeper of this World. Don't let the coloured people ever have power. When it comes down to it, OP is just a racist masquarading as a pacifist.

@UserUnknown2025 and @seven7seven are not making any sense at all.

and yes, i believe that aside from the people that force me to engage them, most people who silently read this forum, are able to understand my viewpoints. maybe even consider them harsh but valid.

Nobody is forcing you to reply to anything. You are the one choosing to display your bigotry and nonsense thinking for everybody to see. The World will continue to change regardless of whatever wishful thinking you choose to want to believe. I'll now choose not to reply to you any more because you are clearly beyond any intelligent thought and rational thinking. Enjoy living in cuckooland!