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China’s Mega Banks Are in Mega Trouble—And So Is the Chinese Economy

Read again, bro. U should know why CN bank is in mega debt now. Keeping RMB low will face wt accuse money manipulation .

And when stimulus measures ( export subsidies) end ,investors will leave CN due to high labor cost. :pop:

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Why such a strong performance? “Chinese factories are getting bigger export subsidies than they were before COVID,” Jonathan Bass, CEO of PTM Images and a product-sourcing expert, tells The National Interest.
Government can give tax rebates, but i am not sure how that can force people to buy Chinese since Vietnam is wayyyy cheaper right? Lol.

Then explain to me why 6 months ago RMB is low, and face no pressure? And of all times, isn't now the best time to keep it low? You dont even need to give tax break, just lower the yuan? Common sense, I think khmer kroms lack intelligence, no wonder ethnic hoa are the smart ones in Vietnam. Lol
 
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Government can give tax rebates, but i am not sure how that can force people to buy Chinese since Vietnam is wayyyy cheaper right? Lol.

Then explain to me why 6 months ago RMB is low, and face no pressure? And of all times, isn't now the best time to keep it low? You dont even need to give tax break, just lower the yuan? Common sense, I think khmer kroms lack intelligence, no wonder ethnic hoa are the smart ones in Vietnam. Lol
Bcs VN dont produce/manufacture enough those products yet or VN dont produce those product yet.

For example, EU-US have to buy a huge volume of PPe during Covid pandemic, they even sent materials to manufacture PPE to VN bcs they dont wanna buy those tuff from CN.

But we cant produce enough PPE for them, so they (EU-US ) have no choice but keep buying from CN.

But it won last long, thats why CN investors quickly flee to VN to fill up our new 15 industrial zones to produce everything US-EU need. Is it still that hard for useless employee like u to understand?? :pop:
 
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Bcs VN dont produce/manufacture enough those products yet or VN dont produce those product yet.

For example, EU-US have to buy a huge volume of PPe during Covid pandemic, they even sent materials to manufacture PPE to VN bcs they dont wanna buy those tuff from CN.

But we cant produce enough PPE for them, so they (EU-US ) have no choice but keep buying from CN.

But it won last long, thats why CN investors quickly flee to VN to fill up our new 15 industrial zones to produce everything US-EU need. Is it still that hard for useless employee like u to understand?? :pop:
Exactly now you understand, the whole supply chain is in China, Vietnam is just the low level final assembly line to exploit cheap labour. Making mask is actually not that simple, you need to develop the special nozzle for blown fabric, you need to also make the base polymer, can Vietnam make it? No. You are a low level assembler, you also need to have special equipment to test the porosity, for N95 the requirement are even higher, hence you would realize Vietnam makes low level bluemask.

So let me ask you this, after you ramp up capacity and thd global demand slumps, what happens!? You dont have a strong internal market like us. Your fate is sealed, tahts to have multiple papas exploiting your dirt shit poor people.
 
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Exactly now you understand, the whole supply chain is in China, Vietnam is just the low level final assembly line to exploit cheap labour. Making mask is actually not that simple, you need to develop the special nozzle for blown fabric, you need to also make the base polymer, can Vietnam make it? No. You are a low level assembler, you also need to have special equipment to test the porosity, for N95 the requirement are even higher, hence you would realize Vietnam makes low level bluemask.

So let me ask you this, after you ramp up capacity and thd global demand slumps, what happens!? You dont have a strong internal market like us. Your fate is sealed, tahts to have multiple papas exploiting your dirt shit poor people.
I told u many times in some Covid threads ,your blown fabric manchine is just a copy of German machine. Not only CN can produce this materials, German also can , just in higher price.

When we ramp up the capacity, it will require the investors like Samsung, Luxshare etc having high IQ enough to make the decision . If the demand slump, then its their own problem,only high IQ and rich investors can survive , VN only lose Tax.:cool:
 
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I told u many times in some Covid threads ,your blown fabric manchine is just a copy of German machine. Not only CN can produce this materials, German also can , just in higher price.

When we ramp up the capacity, it will require the investors like Samsung, Luxshare etc having high IQ enough to make the decision . If the demand slump, then its their own problem,only high IQ and rich investors can survive , VN only lose Tax.:cool:
I also told you many times, who doesn't know Germans can make it but NOT VIETNAM. Are Germans your new PAPA now? Why are you guys so useless to depend on everybody, can't you learn things yourselves, Germans are famous paedophiles, how many street kids you sacrificed this time? Lolololol

You don't just lose tax, you lose jobs and your dirt shit poor Viets will eat grass again. Unlike us, we have a huge market, technology and the whole industrial chain. You practically just admitted you are a low end 200$ assembler. Any stupid people can do it. Lol
 
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I also told you many times, who doesn't know Germans can make it but NOT VIETNAM. Are Germans your new PAPA now? Why are you guys so useless to depend on everybody, can't you learn things yourselves, Germans are famous paedophiles, how many street kids you sacrificed this time? Lolololol

You don't just lose tax, you lose jobs and your dirt shit poor Viets will eat grass again. Unlike us, we have a huge market, technology and the whole industrial chain. You practically just admitted you are a low end 200$ assembler. Any stupid people can do it. Lol
German still suffering Covid, not VN, so if they dont sent that Machine to VN when CN stop selling that fabric, then its German lost, not VN. Understand it_? My dumb peasant :lol:

And just look at Samsung, Luxshare, LG, even in worst situation like Covid pandemic, they still earn a huge profit thanks for kicking Huawei out of phone market. They wont lose any profit even in the worse situation cos just simply kill CN competitors like Huawei, Hikvision etc then all will gain profit, the loser is CN companies still staying in CN.

The loser is always pathetic CN companies like Huawei and Hikvision in the world market, dude :lol:
 
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German still suffering Covid, not VN, so if they dont sent that Machine to VN when CN stop selling that fabric, then its German lost, not VN. Understand it_? My dumb peasant :lol:

And just look at Samsung, Luxshare, LG, even in worst situation like Covid pandemic, they still earn a huge profit thanks for kicking Huawei out of phone market. They wont lose any profit even in the worse situation cos just simply kill CN competitors like Huawei, Hikvision etc then all will gain profit, the loser is CN companies still staying in CN.

The loser is always pathetic CN companies like Huawei and Hikvision in the world market, dude :lol:
So? They are buying from China, still doesn't prove you low level Viets know how to do shit. If importing and assembling is the only skill,, what is stopping Zimbabwe from doing it? We are investing in Africa and using their labour to lower cost too. So Viets almost same like africans now? Lol

Luxshare is not an independent phone brand, they make part and assemble for everyone including Chinese phones. The biggest beneficiary of Huawei out of US and some EU markets are the BKK brands, Oppo Vivo one plus and xiaomi, all Chinese owned. Some are using Vietnam and low end asembly to bypass tarriffs. Win win for Vietnam, we pay you peanuts and get to exploit you low level Viets.

Please explain to me why hikvision is still exporting to EU and US. I told you they can still sell but can't buy US parts thats all. Its still a profitable company and they have the largest market on earth.
 
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As everyone in Beijing leadership circles knows, the failure to move to a consumption-based economy risks a debt crisis and a debt crisis risks the banks.— Gordon Chang


by Gordon G. Chang Follow @GordonGChang on TwitterL

The five largest Chinese banks posted at least 10 percent profit declines for the first half of the year. These poor results, the result of increased provisions for bad loans, were the biggest profit drops in at least a decade. As a CNBC headline put it, “China’s Mega Banks Lost Billions of Dollars in Profit as Bad Loans Rise During Coronavirus Pandemic.”


The profit drops are a warning of long-term troubles, especially because, in all probability, the banks are understating the severity of bad loan problems. Moreover, the outlook for China’s banks is gloomy because the outlook for China’s economy is gloomy.


These five Chinese institutions—the Big Four of Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, China Construction Bank, Agricultural Bank of China, and Bank of China plus the Bank of Communications—are struggling. The essential problem is that the Chinese economy—like the economies of almost all other countries—was flattened by efforts to control the coronavirus. Gross domestic product contracted 6.8% year-on-year in the first calendar quarter of this year, according to the official National Bureau of Statistics. In reality, it was down about twice that.

There was an uptick in the second quarter, officially reported at 3.2% growth. That figure overstates the recovery such as it was. The economy, in reality, looked like it continued to contract, albeit at a slower pace than in Q1.

This year, if the Chinese economy expands, it will not approach the official 2019 growth rate of 6.1 percent. Most analysts are forecasting 1 percent growth for China this year—the usually sunny IMF is forecasting 1.2 percent—although some see 2 percent. There are, however, doubts Beijing can manage to meet even the lower estimates.


The two main drivers of growth, exports and investment, are both unsustainable. First, exports are strong at the moment, but prospects are poor. Powered by sales of medical gear, they jumped 7.2 percent in July, well better than the expected 0.6 percent drop.

Why such a strong performance? “Chinese factories are getting bigger export subsidies than they were before COVID,” Jonathan Bass, CEO of PTM Images and a product-sourcing expert, tells The National Interest. They are also being helped by a weak renminbi, he said.



Many expect China’s exports to taper off in coming months, especially because the economies of China’s primary export markets—the United States and the European Union—have been hard hit by disease. The U.S. tumbled 31.7 percent in the second quarter of this year, compared with the previous quarter. The EU was down 11.9 percent.

Sales of medical gear are expected to decline, and Zhang Qingsong, president of Agricultural Bank of China, is particularly worried about the prospects for low-end manufacturing due to soft external demand.


Second, nobody likes the idea that Beijing has been relying on government spending to jumpstart the economy, something it has been doing for decades but especially since the 2008 downturn. Such spending risks catastrophe because of continual investment into underperforming assets and the consequent buildup of bad debts.

As early as 2007, then-Premier Wen Jiabao famously said the Chinese economy was “unstable, unbalanced, uncoordinated, and unsustainable.” Since then, Wen and successor Li Keqiang, the current premier, have tried to “rebalance.”


Their efforts have been unsuccessful. Even before the COVID-19 crisis, the country was running out of gas, incurring 6.7 times more debt than it was producing nominal gross domestic product. Now, that multiple appears to be higher because of Beijing’s accelerating spending plans.

The most recent rebalancing effort goes under the slogan of developing a “dual circulation” economy. In May, Chinese ruler Xi Jinping began talking about promoting “international circulation” and “internal circulation.”


“Internal circulation” is code for consumption. Chinese officials brag that consumption accounted for 57.8 percent of GDP growth last year, but consumption is certainly lagging now. Retail sales unexpectedly fell 1.1 percent in July compared with the same month last year. Analysts had predicted a 0.1 percent increase. July’s poor result followed June’s 1.8 percent decline.

At the moment, Beijing is talking up the prospects for consumer spending, touting the upcoming eight-day “Golden Week” holiday marking the country’s National Day and the traditional Mid-Autumn Festival, both of which fall on October 1 this year. “China Preparing for Travel Boom During October’s National Day,” is the headline in the official China Daily.


Although many will hit the road as central officials propagate the narrative that the country has beaten the coronavirus, there are still concerns for the travel industry. Zhang, the Agricultural Bank of China president, is worried about businesses the disease has especially affected: catering, accommodation, tourism, and entertainment.

“Consumption will not be the economic driver this year or next year for sure,” said Dan Wang of Hang Seng China to CNBC. “To increase consumption or its contribution to growth, China will have to do some major reform in its income distribution, and a big difficulty in doing that is the state-owned enterprise reform.”


Xi Jinping’s idea of “state-enterprise reform” is to allocate even more resources to these behemoth businesses, which will inevitably take money from ordinary citizens and therefore restrict consumer spending. As Xi talks about a “Marxist political economy” as the only correct path for China, it is doubtful he will adopt the steps to put more cash into the hands of the country’s consumers.

As everyone in Beijing leadership circles knows, the failure to move to a consumption-based economy risks a debt crisis and a debt crisis risks the banks.


The banks are in far worse shape than they let on. The China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission reported that at the end of June the average nonperforming loan ratio of all Chinese commercial banks was 1.94 percent. That was the highest rate since 2009.

Yet these banks have not had to classify many of their bad loans as such because of a government moratorium on payments of interest and repayments of principal. When the moratorium ends in March of next year, official nonperforming loan ratios will certainly soar when borrowers default.


Moratorium or no moratorium, nonperforming ratios are undoubtedly far higher than reported. Said Anne Stevenson-Yang of New York-based J Capital Research to this publication on the ratios, “The simplest thing to say is that Chinese accounting statements, like all Chinese statistics, are a target-driven exercise, not a summary of data.”

Compounding problems, Beijing continues to look to China’s biggest banking institutions as, well, piggy banks. Chinese officials told the banks to forego $219 billion in profits, by lowering interest payments and deferring repayments, this year. “The banks have been asked to . . . perform ‘national service,’ ” said Jason Tan of CreditSights, to CNBC’s Squawk Box Asia. “They’ve been asked to support the economy at the expense of their own operational strength.”

“Asked” is polite. In China’s increasingly centralized economy, big state banks have no choice but to do what central government technocrats tell them to do.

So China’s “Mega Banks” are truly in mega trouble. And if the big banks are in trouble, so must be the Chinese economy. These days, the banks and the economy are one in the same.




The doom of China's articles you keep posting is strong with you like Gordon Chang himself on Foxnews. Are you Gordon Chang by any chance?
 
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Gordon Chang is an old man, in contrast I'm only 12 years old

On internet you can be as old or as young as you want to be. If you are 12 years old, which i doubt, i suggest you finish high school first before sticking your nose in adult affairs.
 
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. If you are 12 years old, which i doubt, i suggest you finish high school first before sticking your nose in adult affairs.
I don't live in an authoritarian state, there's no age limit to post on the internet.
 
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As everyone in Beijing leadership circles knows, the failure to move to a consumption-based economy risks a debt crisis and a debt crisis risks the banks.— Gordon Chang


by Gordon G. Chang Follow @GordonGChang on TwitterL

The five largest Chinese banks posted at least 10 percent profit declines for the first half of the year. These poor results, the result of increased provisions for bad loans, were the biggest profit drops in at least a decade. As a CNBC headline put it, “China’s Mega Banks Lost Billions of Dollars in Profit as Bad Loans Rise During Coronavirus Pandemic.”


The profit drops are a warning of long-term troubles, especially because, in all probability, the banks are understating the severity of bad loan problems. Moreover, the outlook for China’s banks is gloomy because the outlook for China’s economy is gloomy.


These five Chinese institutions—the Big Four of Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, China Construction Bank, Agricultural Bank of China, and Bank of China plus the Bank of Communications—are struggling. The essential problem is that the Chinese economy—like the economies of almost all other countries—was flattened by efforts to control the coronavirus. Gross domestic product contracted 6.8% year-on-year in the first calendar quarter of this year, according to the official National Bureau of Statistics. In reality, it was down about twice that.

There was an uptick in the second quarter, officially reported at 3.2% growth. That figure overstates the recovery such as it was. The economy, in reality, looked like it continued to contract, albeit at a slower pace than in Q1.

This year, if the Chinese economy expands, it will not approach the official 2019 growth rate of 6.1 percent. Most analysts are forecasting 1 percent growth for China this year—the usually sunny IMF is forecasting 1.2 percent—although some see 2 percent. There are, however, doubts Beijing can manage to meet even the lower estimates.


The two main drivers of growth, exports and investment, are both unsustainable. First, exports are strong at the moment, but prospects are poor. Powered by sales of medical gear, they jumped 7.2 percent in July, well better than the expected 0.6 percent drop.

Why such a strong performance? “Chinese factories are getting bigger export subsidies than they were before COVID,” Jonathan Bass, CEO of PTM Images and a product-sourcing expert, tells The National Interest. They are also being helped by a weak renminbi, he said.



Many expect China’s exports to taper off in coming months, especially because the economies of China’s primary export markets—the United States and the European Union—have been hard hit by disease. The U.S. tumbled 31.7 percent in the second quarter of this year, compared with the previous quarter. The EU was down 11.9 percent.

Sales of medical gear are expected to decline, and Zhang Qingsong, president of Agricultural Bank of China, is particularly worried about the prospects for low-end manufacturing due to soft external demand.


Second, nobody likes the idea that Beijing has been relying on government spending to jumpstart the economy, something it has been doing for decades but especially since the 2008 downturn. Such spending risks catastrophe because of continual investment into underperforming assets and the consequent buildup of bad debts.

As early as 2007, then-Premier Wen Jiabao famously said the Chinese economy was “unstable, unbalanced, uncoordinated, and unsustainable.” Since then, Wen and successor Li Keqiang, the current premier, have tried to “rebalance.”


Their efforts have been unsuccessful. Even before the COVID-19 crisis, the country was running out of gas, incurring 6.7 times more debt than it was producing nominal gross domestic product. Now, that multiple appears to be higher because of Beijing’s accelerating spending plans.

The most recent rebalancing effort goes under the slogan of developing a “dual circulation” economy. In May, Chinese ruler Xi Jinping began talking about promoting “international circulation” and “internal circulation.”


“Internal circulation” is code for consumption. Chinese officials brag that consumption accounted for 57.8 percent of GDP growth last year, but consumption is certainly lagging now. Retail sales unexpectedly fell 1.1 percent in July compared with the same month last year. Analysts had predicted a 0.1 percent increase. July’s poor result followed June’s 1.8 percent decline.

At the moment, Beijing is talking up the prospects for consumer spending, touting the upcoming eight-day “Golden Week” holiday marking the country’s National Day and the traditional Mid-Autumn Festival, both of which fall on October 1 this year. “China Preparing for Travel Boom During October’s National Day,” is the headline in the official China Daily.


Although many will hit the road as central officials propagate the narrative that the country has beaten the coronavirus, there are still concerns for the travel industry. Zhang, the Agricultural Bank of China president, is worried about businesses the disease has especially affected: catering, accommodation, tourism, and entertainment.

“Consumption will not be the economic driver this year or next year for sure,” said Dan Wang of Hang Seng China to CNBC. “To increase consumption or its contribution to growth, China will have to do some major reform in its income distribution, and a big difficulty in doing that is the state-owned enterprise reform.”


Xi Jinping’s idea of “state-enterprise reform” is to allocate even more resources to these behemoth businesses, which will inevitably take money from ordinary citizens and therefore restrict consumer spending. As Xi talks about a “Marxist political economy” as the only correct path for China, it is doubtful he will adopt the steps to put more cash into the hands of the country’s consumers.

As everyone in Beijing leadership circles knows, the failure to move to a consumption-based economy risks a debt crisis and a debt crisis risks the banks.


The banks are in far worse shape than they let on. The China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission reported that at the end of June the average nonperforming loan ratio of all Chinese commercial banks was 1.94 percent. That was the highest rate since 2009.

Yet these banks have not had to classify many of their bad loans as such because of a government moratorium on payments of interest and repayments of principal. When the moratorium ends in March of next year, official nonperforming loan ratios will certainly soar when borrowers default.


Moratorium or no moratorium, nonperforming ratios are undoubtedly far higher than reported. Said Anne Stevenson-Yang of New York-based J Capital Research to this publication on the ratios, “The simplest thing to say is that Chinese accounting statements, like all Chinese statistics, are a target-driven exercise, not a summary of data.”

Compounding problems, Beijing continues to look to China’s biggest banking institutions as, well, piggy banks. Chinese officials told the banks to forego $219 billion in profits, by lowering interest payments and deferring repayments, this year. “The banks have been asked to . . . perform ‘national service,’ ” said Jason Tan of CreditSights, to CNBC’s Squawk Box Asia. “They’ve been asked to support the economy at the expense of their own operational strength.”

“Asked” is polite. In China’s increasingly centralized economy, big state banks have no choice but to do what central government technocrats tell them to do.

So China’s “Mega Banks” are truly in mega trouble. And if the big banks are in trouble, so must be the Chinese economy. These days, the banks and the economy are one in the same.







EXACTLY the same was said in 1989 after the Tiannamen Square incident. 31 years later, China stands as one of ONLY 2 global superpowers.
 
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