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China’s Mega Banks Are in Mega Trouble—And So Is the Chinese Economy

So how do you find Xiamen,HK can't really reprsent communist China. There is no youngcheng in China. I am. Just asking you how is Xiamen, compared to Vietnam.

I asked you 3 threes and all threes times you said you never been to. China and never want too. So tell me about Xiamen.
Okay then why this company collapse?



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State-Owned Coal Miner’s $150 Million Default Threatens Debt-Ridden Parent
By Liang Hong and Lu Yutong

China’s coal industry suffered a big hit from the Covid-19 outbreak as downstream demand weakened.

China’s coal industry suffered a big hit from the Covid-19 outbreak as downstream demand weakened.
A state-owned coal miner in Central China’s Henan province has defaulted on a 1 billion yuan ($151 million) bond, threatening to drag its powerful parent into a crisis as both face mounting debts.
 
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No one has more trouble than US TBTF banks. Unfortunately no one other than US has the dollar printing press.
 
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As everyone in Beijing leadership circles knows, the failure to move to a consumption-based economy risks a debt crisis and a debt crisis risks the banks.— Gordon Chang


by Gordon G. Chang Follow @GordonGChang on TwitterL

The five largest Chinese banks posted at least 10 percent profit declines for the first half of the year. These poor results, the result of increased provisions for bad loans, were the biggest profit drops in at least a decade. As a CNBC headline put it, “China’s Mega Banks Lost Billions of Dollars in Profit as Bad Loans Rise During Coronavirus Pandemic.”


The profit drops are a warning of long-term troubles, especially because, in all probability, the banks are understating the severity of bad loan problems. Moreover, the outlook for China’s banks is gloomy because the outlook for China’s economy is gloomy.


These five Chinese institutions—the Big Four of Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, China Construction Bank, Agricultural Bank of China, and Bank of China plus the Bank of Communications—are struggling. The essential problem is that the Chinese economy—like the economies of almost all other countries—was flattened by efforts to control the coronavirus. Gross domestic product contracted 6.8% year-on-year in the first calendar quarter of this year, according to the official National Bureau of Statistics. In reality, it was down about twice that.

There was an uptick in the second quarter, officially reported at 3.2% growth. That figure overstates the recovery such as it was. The economy, in reality, looked like it continued to contract, albeit at a slower pace than in Q1.

This year, if the Chinese economy expands, it will not approach the official 2019 growth rate of 6.1 percent. Most analysts are forecasting 1 percent growth for China this year—the usually sunny IMF is forecasting 1.2 percent—although some see 2 percent. There are, however, doubts Beijing can manage to meet even the lower estimates.


The two main drivers of growth, exports and investment, are both unsustainable. First, exports are strong at the moment, but prospects are poor. Powered by sales of medical gear, they jumped 7.2 percent in July, well better than the expected 0.6 percent drop.

Why such a strong performance? “Chinese factories are getting bigger export subsidies than they were before COVID,” Jonathan Bass, CEO of PTM Images and a product-sourcing expert, tells The National Interest. They are also being helped by a weak renminbi, he said.



Many expect China’s exports to taper off in coming months, especially because the economies of China’s primary export markets—the United States and the European Union—have been hard hit by disease. The U.S. tumbled 31.7 percent in the second quarter of this year, compared with the previous quarter. The EU was down 11.9 percent.

Sales of medical gear are expected to decline, and Zhang Qingsong, president of Agricultural Bank of China, is particularly worried about the prospects for low-end manufacturing due to soft external demand.


Second, nobody likes the idea that Beijing has been relying on government spending to jumpstart the economy, something it has been doing for decades but especially since the 2008 downturn. Such spending risks catastrophe because of continual investment into underperforming assets and the consequent buildup of bad debts.

As early as 2007, then-Premier Wen Jiabao famously said the Chinese economy was “unstable, unbalanced, uncoordinated, and unsustainable.” Since then, Wen and successor Li Keqiang, the current premier, have tried to “rebalance.”


Their efforts have been unsuccessful. Even before the COVID-19 crisis, the country was running out of gas, incurring 6.7 times more debt than it was producing nominal gross domestic product. Now, that multiple appears to be higher because of Beijing’s accelerating spending plans.

The most recent rebalancing effort goes under the slogan of developing a “dual circulation” economy. In May, Chinese ruler Xi Jinping began talking about promoting “international circulation” and “internal circulation.”


“Internal circulation” is code for consumption. Chinese officials brag that consumption accounted for 57.8 percent of GDP growth last year, but consumption is certainly lagging now. Retail sales unexpectedly fell 1.1 percent in July compared with the same month last year. Analysts had predicted a 0.1 percent increase. July’s poor result followed June’s 1.8 percent decline.

At the moment, Beijing is talking up the prospects for consumer spending, touting the upcoming eight-day “Golden Week” holiday marking the country’s National Day and the traditional Mid-Autumn Festival, both of which fall on October 1 this year. “China Preparing for Travel Boom During October’s National Day,” is the headline in the official China Daily.


Although many will hit the road as central officials propagate the narrative that the country has beaten the coronavirus, there are still concerns for the travel industry. Zhang, the Agricultural Bank of China president, is worried about businesses the disease has especially affected: catering, accommodation, tourism, and entertainment.

“Consumption will not be the economic driver this year or next year for sure,” said Dan Wang of Hang Seng China to CNBC. “To increase consumption or its contribution to growth, China will have to do some major reform in its income distribution, and a big difficulty in doing that is the state-owned enterprise reform.”


Xi Jinping’s idea of “state-enterprise reform” is to allocate even more resources to these behemoth businesses, which will inevitably take money from ordinary citizens and therefore restrict consumer spending. As Xi talks about a “Marxist political economy” as the only correct path for China, it is doubtful he will adopt the steps to put more cash into the hands of the country’s consumers.

As everyone in Beijing leadership circles knows, the failure to move to a consumption-based economy risks a debt crisis and a debt crisis risks the banks.


The banks are in far worse shape than they let on. The China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission reported that at the end of June the average nonperforming loan ratio of all Chinese commercial banks was 1.94 percent. That was the highest rate since 2009.

Yet these banks have not had to classify many of their bad loans as such because of a government moratorium on payments of interest and repayments of principal. When the moratorium ends in March of next year, official nonperforming loan ratios will certainly soar when borrowers default.


Moratorium or no moratorium, nonperforming ratios are undoubtedly far higher than reported. Said Anne Stevenson-Yang of New York-based J Capital Research to this publication on the ratios, “The simplest thing to say is that Chinese accounting statements, like all Chinese statistics, are a target-driven exercise, not a summary of data.”

Compounding problems, Beijing continues to look to China’s biggest banking institutions as, well, piggy banks. Chinese officials told the banks to forego $219 billion in profits, by lowering interest payments and deferring repayments, this year. “The banks have been asked to . . . perform ‘national service,’ ” said Jason Tan of CreditSights, to CNBC’s Squawk Box Asia. “They’ve been asked to support the economy at the expense of their own operational strength.”

“Asked” is polite. In China’s increasingly centralized economy, big state banks have no choice but to do what central government technocrats tell them to do.

So China’s “Mega Banks” are truly in mega trouble. And if the big banks are in trouble, so must be the Chinese economy. These days, the banks and the economy are one in the same.




Americans stupid or what? He still gets paid and on air time? He is calling collapsing China last 20 years, while China collapses to largest economy soon
 
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No one has more trouble than US TBTF banks. Unfortunately no one other than US has the dollar printing press.
US has a huge natural resources to sell for money, so her dollar will be OK ,while CN banks r Not. CN only has a huge barren lands and desert plus 1,4 billion angry ppl.
 
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Okay then why this company collapse?



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State-Owned Coal Miner’s $150 Million Default Threatens Debt-Ridden Parent
By Liang Hong and Lu Yutong

China’s coal industry suffered a big hit from the Covid-19 outbreak as downstream demand weakened.

China’s coal industry suffered a big hit from the Covid-19 outbreak as downstream demand weakened.
A state-owned coal miner in Central China’s Henan province has defaulted on a 1 billion yuan ($151 million) bond, threatening to drag its powerful parent into a crisis as both face mounting debts.
If its mismanaged then it should collapsed, if it doesn't collapsed, I would be worried. We have a few hundred thousand SOEs, most follow market principles, you lose money you die, except for a few key strategic industries and a few key giants, all are not protected. 151 mil usd means its a small company.

You are stil not answering me how does Xiamen compare to Vietnam, lol
 
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If its mismanaged then it should collapsed, if it doesn't collapsed, I would be worried. We have a few hundred thousand SOEs, most follow market principles, you lose money you die, except for a few key strategic industries and a few key giants, all are not protected. 151 mil usd means its a small company.
Yeah, most of your useless companies r having same problem wt this coal company. Too high salaries for staff but poor management, survive just thanks for the banks keep pouring money into. Thats why at least 15 industrial zones in CN will close when VN open at least new 15 industrial zones to welcome those investors leaving CN to VN.

Just forget this silly comparison, I become millionaire thanks to having good enough lands while I dont know if u become millionaire yet even when u earn 10,000 usd per month :cool:
 
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10% reduction in 'profits' during covid and article predicting doom to China banks
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How prophetic
 
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600 millions poor Cnese already got knockout as PM Li admit. The rest just survive thanks to stimulus measures. They ( abt another 600 millions Cnese) will got knock out soon when CN debt go busted and unable to keep pouring money to save those pathetic CN companies. :cool:
I fEEL SORRY FOR THESE 600 MILLION POOR CHINESE
 
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10% reduction in 'profits' during covid and article predicting doom to China banks
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How prophetic
Thats just a tip of the iceberg. The real serious problem is that CN manufacturing sector is already dead due to high labor cost, failed to compete wt factories in VN and trade war, most of the companies still survive tks to stimulus measures.

Thats why Samsung left CN and moved all factories to VN. They simply cant afford to pay high salary to Cnese workers anymore.
 
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Yeah, most of your useless companies r having same problem wt this coal company. Too high salaries for staff but poor management, survive just thanks for the banks keep pouring money into. Thats why at least 15 industrial zones in CN will close when VN open at least new 15 industrial zones to welcome those investors leaving CN to VN.

Just forget this silly comparison, I become millionaire thanks to having good enough lands while I dont know if u become millionaire yet even when u earn 10,000 usd per month :cool:
So tell me ONE Vietnam company is well managed or famous? Hahhaha.

You don't understand how Chinese SOEs are managed. They are just breaking even in most cases, the main aim is never to make a profit but sustain employment. Performance of the managers is a matrix of employment and profit. As long as the business is slightly profitable then it is already OK. But our private industries are a totally different beast, they are very very competitive.

So how is Xiamen, come on tell me..
 
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So tell me ONE Vietnam company is well managed or famous? Hahhaha.

You don't understand how Chinese SOEs are managed. They are just breaking even in most cases, the main aim is never to make a profit but sustain employment. Performance of the managers is a matrix of employment and profit. As long as the business is slightly profitable then it is already OK. But our private industries are a totally different beast, they are very very competitive.

So how is Xiamen, come on tell me..
Most of CN Private companies r also dead due to paying too high salary to Cnese like u :cool:

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China Evergrande Group is facing a crisis of confidence among creditors who’ve lent the world’s most indebted developer more than $120 billion.
 
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Im sure I read that exact headline and the same phrases construeing some pile of bullshit as "evidence" at least 50 times over the last two decade 😂

They are really hitting oil over there with the low IQ retards still reading and paying for the bullshit America calls "press" and "journalism".
 
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CN growth rely heavily on stimulus measures now. Its manufacturing sector is dead due to high salary cost and trade war. Its service sector is dead due to Covid. CN economy is still surviving due to CN banks pouring more money to keep those sectors alive. Thats why CN's debts also get higher and higher.

But it wont last long, CN manufacturing sector simply cant compete wt VN anymore cos our labour cost is lower, our tariff to US also lower, we also have FTA wt EU. Thats why Samsung closed all factories in CN and move to VN.

CN economy actually is already Dead due to trade war, high salary and Covid.

China is doing what South Korea and Japan have done before them, automate as much as possible and become more productive so that labor is less of a cost of production. With Biden coming in, Wall Street will try to get trade back on track and cut tariffs Trump imposed on China. It may take a while, but don’t count China out yet. BTW Gordon Chang by his own admission predicted that China would collapse within 10 years, back in 2001. he was obviously wrong.

When he reflected on this prediction (in a recent podcast) in 2020, he stated he had an overly simplistic view of how The Chinese communist party works and underestimated how resilient it truly is to survive.
 
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Most of CN Private companies r also dead due to paying too high salary to Cnese like u :cool:

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China Evergrande Group is facing a crisis of confidence among creditors who’ve lent the world’s most indebted developer more than $120 billion.
He is asking to you to Which Vietnamese company is world famous, give him his answer instead of trolling
China is doing what South Korea and Japan have done before them, automate as much as possible and become more productive so that labor is less of a cost of production. With Biden coming in, Wall Street will try to get trade back on track and cut tariffs Trump imposed on China. It may take a while, but don’t count China out yet. BTW Gordon Chang by his own admission predicted that China would collapse within 10 years, back in 2001. he was obviously wrong.

When he reflected on this prediction (in a recent podcast) in 2020, he stated he had an overly simplistic view of how The Chinese communist party works and underestimated how resilient it truly is to survive.
Don't quote him bro, he wont understand he is just anti china troll
 
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