China's meager aid to the Philippines could dent its image

[Obambam]

The ABC News says:

"even Swedish furniture chain Ikea and beverage giant Coca-Cola have done more than the world's second-largest economy. That won't help Beijing's campaign to win over neighbors with its soft power.That won't help Beijing's campaign to win over neighbors with its soft power."

That is very true, but do we really want to befriend the Philippines at all cost? What can they put on the table should China get on their goody book? Increase banana production and offer them to China for less perhaps?

You cannot be friend everyone, let alone one that is already strongly allied with the US and Japan. So long America and japan keeps their statuses they were never be in the Chinese camp.

China are indirectly aiding the Philippines by lending money to the US, so the least they could do is to mobilize their ever so efficient navy and its crew to the affected areas. The crews wages and everything else paid for of course. Else those Armani suit, Rolex and Caron Poivre wearing men would still be in the White House bickering over who should have which slice of the cake.

Contrary to popular belief, China have already made a host of friends and partners from all around the world. We are the number two economy for reasons. One less bad partner does not hurt us.
Especially one that has little to offer China and still showed signs of disrespect to families and friends of those 2010 Chinese victims.

China are not obliged to help let alone needing to explain on the amount of help offered.

As Philippine's number one and two allies America and Japan should naturally contribute more. That's what allies are for. It is their duty to serve and assist their allies in every possible ways. Rather than spending time writing and selling stories on "How China (a non allied nation) is not willing to match or better their offers"

China, as non-allies, should not be matching America or Japan.

It is not our duty or interest to strengthen the allies of our rivals, putting them in favour of our own allies as well as our own 1.3 billion people. China is still classed as a developing nation, therefore should not break a bank or attempt to match or better the offers made by their first world allies.

Hate or love it, this is all a part of the game the rest of the world will have to put up with.
In retrospect; North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Pakistan or Russia etc did not get much support from the US and the west either. They all know if you help adversaries become strong, it will only come back to haunt you later.

Some might say "hey it is thoughts that count!" but end of the day, help is help and the Philippines should be grateful for every little help it gets regardless of how nicely it is packaged.

 

[gambit]

That is very true, but do we really want to befriend the Philippines at all cost?

At all cost? ALL ? When a furniture chain store gave more than your country, the best argument you got is the hyperbolic 'all'?

China are indirectly aiding the Philippines by lending money to the US,...

I doubt that even you actually believe that.

China are not obliged to help let alone needing to explain on the amount of help offered.

Who said China is 'obliged' in anyway? Who?

 

[Obambam]

At all cost? ALL ? When a furniture chain store gave more than your country, the best argument you got is the hyperbolic 'all'?

Is there an argument to begin with? If so, I am sorry for not being aware of it.

Do you really think China is naive enough to think that the west will miss this chance to sell more of their stories? China have been in the game long enough to foresee what is to come. Same old methods just a different day, another story.

You can let this rest already, it will not change the relationships between China and the Philippines. Not anytime soon anyway, so don't hold your breath on it.

I doubt that even you actually believe that.

My believe does not matter at all.
It is what the world believes that counts.

Do you honestly think money can be grown on and harvested from trees?

Are the Germans satisfied with way the FED handled their gold assets? As business partners and allies, what will go through their minds when the US rejected their need to inspect their gold?

The US national debt is picking up pace as we speak and the last government shut down may not be the last. Yet you are here questioning my individual belief?

Who said China is 'obliged' in anyway? Who?

No one did and no one should expect generous help from China or from anyone else.
Just be grateful that China and everyone else who chose to help, helped. End of story.

 

[Kolaps]

Did everyone know that just after the disaster, UN allowed only two organizations to help...

Red Cross

and

Tzu-Chi Foundation

If Western media demonize China and Chinese for the lack of charity and solidarity to Philippine...the real bad guy are not Chinese people, but instead the one that use this disaster for geopolitical gain thru propaganda by twisting and censoring the fact.

I just want to say, despite the recent conflict between Taiwan and Philippine, we, Taiwanese are big heart people.

It's now the duty for Philippine, for not becoming a foreign proxy as a tool of divide and conquer by attacking fellow East Asians and creating troubles.

 

[Kolaps]

It's quite surprising, when China is still struggling against the same typhoon in South China, at the sime time, the Western media without shame attacking China for lack of charity. This attack is really unthoughtful, while we are struggling saving the victims.

I'm questioning the moral and humanity sense of Western journalists!

 

[gambit]

Is there an argument to begin with? If so, I am sorry for not being aware of it.

Then you should learn to keep up with your own arguments. You ridiculously argued that somehow China must 'befriend' the Philippines 'at all cost', the price to earn foreign approval. Who even implied 'at all cost'? You guys often boasted how economically powerful China is, from planes, trains, and automobiles, and yet a furniture chain store ended up giving more than China. Now we see the Chinese whining about how China is still 'suffering' from past natural disaster and is too 'poverty' stricken to help.

Do you really think China is naive enough to think that the west will miss this chance to sell more of their stories? China have been in the game long enough to foresee what is to come. Same old methods just a different day, another story.

Fine, then do not give any at all. Let the Western journalists waste their ink. Why should you care, right?

My believe does not matter at all.
It is what the world believes that counts.

Yeah...The world will actually swallow the absurdity that China is already 'helping' the Philippines indirectly because China bought some shares in US bonds, and that is enough to remove China from criticisms.

No one did and no one should expect generous help from China or from anyone else.

Good, then do not even rhetorically ask if somehow China is 'obligated' to help.

Just be grateful that China and everyone else who chose to help, helped. End of story.

Absolutely, it is the thought that count.

 

[sincity]

China don't have to defend their action, the issue is humanitarian aid to the disaster victim, China did her part and contribute, no nation on this planet can said China didn't donate to the relief fund. The amount of aid China given can consider to be too much or too little depend on who you ask. Chinese member just ask anyone who bemoan and upset with China and tell them to prove China didn't provide humanitarian aid, if they insist China didn't provide enough help? Ask them should China donate 20 billions to totally rebuild Philippine because that is the amount Philippine need to recover from this disaster, either 1 millions or 10 millions won't make a dent with the cost for the Philippine to rebuild their country.

 

[livingdead]

China don't have to defend their action, the issue is humanitarian aid to the disaster victim, China did her part and contribute, no nation on this planet can said China didn't donate to the relief fund. The amount of aid China given can consider to be too much or too little depend on who you ask. Chinese member just ask anyone who bemoan and upset with China and tell them to prove China didn't provide humanitarian aid, if they insist China didn't provide enough help? Ask them should China donate 20 billions to totally rebuild Philippine because that is the amount Philippine need to recover from this disaster, either 1 millions or 10 millions won't make a dent with the cost for the Philippine to rebuild their country.

you would have said same if china donated 100 yuan. China is next door neighbour and is a big economy hence is expected to donate a few millions. (small change for china)
Nobody is expecting them to donate more than USA or Japan or rich arab countries.
but 200,000 will definitely raise eyebrows.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

We don't have any money to help the Philippines because we spend all our money to help fight hunger in America. We are helping to pay for the 48 million Americans on food stamps and another 14 million Americans on disability. And we don't get any gratitude what so ever from the Americans.

 

[cirr]

Let the Amercans and the Japanese, as they should, help the Philippines.

So far, aids from these two countries are absolute PEANUTS considering the scale of the calamity and the fact that both use the Philippines to counter China, for which the Phillipines should definitely get compensation, monetarily and materially.

Anything less than 100 billion USD each from the US and Japan is an insult to the people of Philippines.

These two countries are the stingiest of all judging by their actions so far.

It is going to be a longhaul for the reconstruction. Hope these two nations will do their utmost and stand by the people of Philippines till the 15 million affected have their new homes, new schools, new hospitals, new roads, new factories, new power plants, new water supplies, new telecommunications facilities, new shops etc.

Good luck!

 

[Krueger]

Typhoon Haiyan: China rebuked for 'stingy' aid
15 November 2013

China has been criticised for its clumsy approach to aid in the aftermath of the Philippines disaster, and some US analysts think it could affect the geopolitical balance in South East Asia.

China initially pledged $100,000 (£62,000) in humanitarian support - and later raised the amount to $1.6m. But even this amount is still dwarfed by contributions from Australia, the US, the European Union, the United Kingdom and even the Swedish furniture company Ikea, which pledged $2.7m.

The initial Chinese reluctance to provide a significant amount of aid has also made it the butt of late-night comedy jokes, as Stephen Colbert on the Colbert Report called the Chinese "stingy jerks" and asked his viewers to outraise the nation's initial donation - a feat they accomplished by this afternoon.

One reason China's efforts to develop its soft power have failed is the utilitarian way Beijing approaches the rest of the world”

William PesekColumnist, Bloomberg View
In other words, the damage to China's international reputation is significant.

In a Bloomberg View column, William Pesek quotes Ian Bremmer, president of Eurasia Group in New York, regarding the challenge for China if it wants to supplant the US as the power in the region: "It's very hard to call for… de-Americanisation and then leave your wallet at home when there's a human disaster the scale of the typhoon in the Philippines."

Mr Pesek sees this as a larger problem with the way China approaches foreign policy:

One reason China's efforts to develop its soft power have failed is the utilitarian way Beijing approaches the rest of the world. Instead of using culture, adept diplomacy and trashy movies to seduce other countries, China hands out cold, hard cash. All the investment poured into railways in Indonesia, tunnels in Brazil, power grids in Cambodia, hydroelectric projects in Laos, bridges in Vietnam, roads in Zambia, factories in Malaysia, airports in Myanmar, and mining rigs in Uzbekistan comes with a high cost. In return, China demands complete docility. That's the message being sent to the Philippines now.

Only a month ago, China held court at an Asian summit, while President Obama sat at home due to the US government shutdown. Now, some analysts are writing, the United States has a new opportunity to make friends and influence nations.

Let's not forget that China was also hit by Haiyan”

EditorialChina Daily
According to Jonah Blank of the Rand Corporation, the United States can build on the regional goodwill it engendered following the 2004 Asian tsunami: "Nearly a decade later, the effort may rank as one of the most concrete reasons South East Asian nations trust the long-term US commitment to a strategy of 'Asian rebalancing.'"

Sydney J Freedburg writes for Breaking Defense that even if China wanted to help, it could not respond in the same way the US has. The Chinese Navy simply does not have the transport capacity and facilities of the US Navy.

"Those facts represent a major US advantage not only in this one incident in the Philippines but in the long-term struggle for influence across the Western Pacific," he writes.

Aside from humanitarian aid, one concrete way the US could help,according to Craig Hooper in the Next Navy blog, is to resupply Philippines and Vietnamese outposts on South China Sea islands, which have been under effective Chinese blockade.

"Rather than wait for China to seize the islands," Mr Hooper writes, "it is time for the US to get out there, do a safety check, help the Filipino soldiers build up some MRE [meals ready to eat] stockpiles, refresh their communications equipment, and, if possible, arrange safer, more habitable living arrangements."

All of this has Chinese media, which had previously been a bit fragmented on how to address the humanitarian crisis, sounding defensive.

"Those China bashers must harbour ill intentions, aimed at either tarnishing China's image in the world arena or sowing further seeds of discord between China and the Philippines - as if the territorial dispute was not enough," writes the state-run China Daily.

(From reports provided by BBC Monitoring)

BBC News - Typhoon Haiyan: China rebuked for 'stingy' aid​

 

[Obambam]

Then you should learn to keep up with your own arguments.You ridiculously argued

Again, where was the argument? Do not get "Argument" mixed up with an "Opinion".

You guys often boasted how economically powerful China is, from planes, trains, and automobiles, and yet a furniture chain store ended up giving more than China.

Kindly tell the readers here, how much the US contributed towards the Tropical Storm Washi in comparison to China? Could it be less than Ikea perhaps? I suggest you take your D!ck measurements elsewhere.

Now we see the Chinese whining about how China is still 'suffering' from past natural disaster and is too 'poverty' stricken to help.

Wrong, now we see "Americans" whining and trying hard to spin a non news into a big news.
I thought America grow and harvest money from trees? Why contribute so little towards Tropical Storm Washi? Where did all your money go? into the Swiss banks? or into the pockets of those who makes US weapons? Whats with the government shutdown? why turn down Germany's requests to inspect their gold assets? Explain those to the international community first "Mr. 16 trillion economy".

Fine, then do not give any at all. Let the Western journalists waste their ink. Why should you care, right?

How much China give is up to them, you have no say and no call.
Go complain to your local Chinese Embassy, wave a banner or two if you must. Why waste your time here whining about it?

Yeah...The world will actually swallow the absurdity that China is already 'helping' the Philippines indirectly because China bought some shares in US bonds, and that is enough to remove China from criticisms.

Then explain America's situation financially? what's up with your national debt? and why decline inspection requests made by your allies and trade partners when they wanted to inspect their gold?
You think the world will swallow the absurdity? America is living life full of bs and hypocrisy. The world knows it well enough, no soap can wash that dirt off your @ss now.

Remember the US making a statement on how hacking equals an act of war and dealt with militarily? What happened afterwards? The whole world saw how the US was actually hacking and spying on everyone, including its closest allies and trade partners.

Good, then do not even rhetorically ask if somehow China is 'obligated' to help.

Nope, you should not even make a fuss out of it. They are your country's allies, not ours. You as the number one economy and first world "developed" country should automatically help to the best of your abilities. Did China make a fuss when all Philippines did was send out a group of medical team when the 2008 Szechuan Earthquake hit China? This is something you petty Americans need to learn from China. Learn to be grateful regardless of how well the help was packaged..

Absolutely, it is the thought that count.

Absolutely. So what's with the fuss from you Americans?

 

[JSCh]

Charity is charity.

If this is a competition for who is the bigger hypocrite, China should decline to participate.

 

[gambit]

Absolutely. So what's with the fuss from you Americans?

Why should you worry about someone else's fussiness? Let'em b1tch and moan. Ultimately, it is YOUR hand, not the other guy's, that dips into your wallet and pull out the cash, right? So have no care about that we say in our fussiness.

Generous Britons raise incredible £23 million in 48 hours for Philippines typhoon appeal | World | News | Daily Express

GENEROUS Britons have raised an incredible £23 million in just 48 hours to help hundreds of thousands of people affected by killer Typhoon Haiyan.

 

[Obambam]

Why should you worry about someone else's fussiness? Let'em b1tch and moan.

Not worried at all. I was simply reflecting on how much of a hypocrite you Americans are.
Bitch and moan if you must , but at least do it cleanly, not when your track record and credibility is poor.

Ultimately, it is YOUR hand, not the other guy's, that dips into your wallet and pull out the cash, right? So have no care about that we say in our fussiness.

We do have a say actually, especially since your country survives in borrowed cash.
Learn not to bite the hands that feeds you.

Generous Britons raise incredible £23 million in 48 hours for Philippines typhoon appeal | World | News | Daily Express

So is America going to show the world how good of a samaritan they are by raising on Britain's offer?