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China's "little India"

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A Prescription to Kill - The Impact of Chinese Drug Counterfeiting - International Focus at Kellogg

some extracts:


These statistics point to a disturbing picture of opportunity and threat related to China’s pharmaceutical market, which is estimated to reach $24 billion well before the next decade, making it the fifth largest in the world. By 2050 the country should be the world’s largest drug market, driven largely by a population with 24 percent of its members over age 65.

Chinese and multinational drug-manufacturers alike are enjoying the benefits of this growth, with double-digit increases in annual revenues. But there is a dark side: China is already the world’s largest producer of counterfeit drugs, with such products—including ingredients benign as baking soda or harmful as *** poison—accounting for 63 percent of the country’s pharmaceutical market. Thus China is the backbone of the $40 billion global counterfeit drug market, which accounts for an estimated 15 percent of all drugs sold worldwide.

Counterfeit drug-making is a problem escalating on multiple fronts: from developing countries like Africa to the most developed, including the United States, where an estimated 5 to7 percent of drugs sold have been tampered with; from an early focus on lifestyle drugs such as Viagra to the inclusion of lifesaving medications for cancer, heart disease, and other conditions; with increasing involvement of organized crime and terrorist groups.

Beyond the obvious threats of counterfeit drugs to the global population’s health, such products are affecting pharmaceutical firms’ levels of brand equity and profits, with consequences of fake drug use ranging from generally undetected placebo effects to reputation-damaging patient injuries and fatalities. To address these threats, pharmaceutical firms and the FDA have begun taking more active steps.

But they face major challenges: Chinese scientists and manufacturers easily replicate and mass-produce branded drugs; unscrupulous entrepreneurs quickly build new pharma manufacturing plants and duplicate every detail of product packaging; China’s version of intellectual property protection is still ambiguous and often hard to enforce; the Internet provides easy sale of fake drugs to customers and wholesalers even in countries with more stringent regulation and oversight, like the United States.

Understanding how to address China’s counterfeit drug-making involves gaining deeper insights into the multiple interrelated factors that have helped to create, perpetuate, and occasionally mitigate this problem.

From "Kellog" school huh?! Where is the "evidence" to back up their claims?! India's Ranbaxy alone is the world's largest counterfeit drug-maker!

Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) has a long tradition of being trusted by Asians. It is more effective and less harmful than "modern" (whatever that means...:undecided:) pills.

Better get your "facts" straight next time. :smitten:
 
Indians flattering Indians.

:Yawn:

go to businessweek.com and see how much their "H1B" and "super-brainy-skills" are perceived by Americans and White Europeans. Now is not the time for Indians to bash their perceived competitors.

It's not unexpected, since even recent talks of Kenya and Philippines being the New outsourcing centers had many Indians fearful. Come-on man, the mighty Indian-IT industry is afraid of Kenya??? We must understand where Indians are coming from: They are one-in-a-billion in a land of severe drought and limited opportunities --> survival instinct kicks in. "By hook or by crook!"

With that understanding, we should understand the likely reaction of mentioning that Wuxia might become the next "little-India". This world still has ample opportunity if only we learn to work a little harder and share a little more.
 
There's a well-detailed study that shows India corners around 9/10th of the ENTIRE GLOBE's fake drug market.... hypocritical much my brown-aryan friend?! :bunny:

Please share the report with us. There is an Indian member (vsdoc) here who is employed in pharmaceutical company. I am sure we can THRASH your comments.

And Fake drugs is just the tip of iceberg exposed naked, Chinese basically excel in electronics fraud. Here is some background.
BUYING FROM CHINA?

There are thousands of people out there who believe they can buy cheap brand name electronics and textiles from the other side of the planet as easily as they go grocery shopping. Believe it or not. As far as I know (I should mention that I am not in this business myself so I'm no authority) the idea that you can always get the latest Nokia/Sony/Apple gadget cheap from China is just a dumb get-rich-quick myth that gets thousands of people scammed. There is no such thing as cheap branded electronics from China, but there are hundreds of scam sites feeding off this dumb myth. The chance that the one you found is real is practically zero, all other things being equal.



If you are looking to do business in China (or anywhere else for that matter) you actually need to learn something about international trade, about the market you are entering, and especially how to make sure you get what you pay for. This is not necessarily easy, it is not something we do on this forum, and it is not something we can provide advice on.
What we can do is provide a forum for people to share experiences and opinions, and we can help you recognise common scams. But frankly, if you intend to start a business importing from China then this is something you really need to learn to do yourself. There are also plenty of companies you can hire to do this for you, which is probably the easiest way, here are a few possibilities.

As for the common scams you will find in China, the most popular is of course websites selling all kinds of brand name consumer electronics at below market prices. These are always fraudulent, and they operate on most B2B and auction sites. Here was a small collection of them. You can find some pointers here on how to recognise them. Some of them like to excuse themselves with that the goods got stuck in customs somewhere, or just send a fake Nike shoe regardless of what you order. Some will send non-working tracking numbers. The city of Putian, and the Fujian district, is somewhat infamous for fraud both in China and internationally. It's possible to find plenty of scam companies from this area, many of their websites advertise fake Nike shoes in combination with electronics.

Many of these scammers go around spamming eBay traders who are usually the primary targets, some examples are here.

All Chinese sites selling all kinds of designer clothing will only deliver counterfeit items. Some of them will freely admit this, others will not. Many of these will also scam you, sometimes only depending on which salesperson you are talking to. These companies are operating outside of the law already so they have little incentive to actually deliver anything, and frankly it's a lot easier to just scam people. They know you can't really complain either way, as long as you realized the goods were fake. Trading in counterfeit items is after all not legal. You may get your items seized by customs and face legal action. Seeing the difference between a fake faker and a "real" one is often very difficult as the fakers use similar methods as the scammers to stay anonymous. Either way, I'm not personally interested in the difference, and I have no wish to assist people with this type of business. We have no way of knowing if people will try to pass these items off as authentic or not. We have a long list here of sites suspected of being scams or selling fakes.

Many other types of counterfeit items can also be found in China, e.g. memory chips, golf clubs, Ipods and mobile phones (often including models that have yet to be released). They will always claim that the quality is "AAA+" which can mean half of them are broken. If they claim that the items are authentic the price will often be thereafter as well, but you will still only receive fake junk. Don't expect them to honor any guarantees they give you unless you have the resources to hire a couple of Chinese lawyers to go after them. You really need to check them out so you know who you are dealing with, see above.

It should be mentioned that there are a few legitimate companies selling refurbished electronics from China. These can be cheap, but for good reasons, and there might be quality issues that you need some proper commercial due diligence to deal with. And this article mostly applies to mainland China, Hong Kong is a different story.

Another type of scam that is quite common in many places in China is sometimes known as the "Guilin scam". The general idea is that they make a large order with a foreign company, and invite them to China to sign the contract. The victim is then expected to pay for various gifts, hotel bills, upfront fees (notary fees) etc... before the contract can be signed. It is not common Chinese business practice to insist on a personal meeting in China, nor are notary fees, both of these should be considered red flags. For more information on this type of fraud please read here:
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?t=10377
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?p=81284
http://www.onejerusalem.com/2007/05/...-youlianshiye/

But the fact is, beyond the obvious scammers and counterfeiters, there is no easy way to check out a Chinese company unless you speak Chinese. Even real Chinese companies will often use Western Union or MoneyGram for smaller payments, and use free email addresses, for example. Scammers (and counterfeiters) will invariably only offer WU, MG and a personal bank account for payment methods, some also have PayPal. Real companies should have a company bank account and will also accept L/C. But there are exceptions to this, and these complexities of international trade is not something we are qualified to enlighten you on.

Recovering money lost to fraud in China is very difficult, just like anywhere else. You would need to report it in person to the police there, or hire a legal representative, which won't be worth it unless you lost more than at least a few thousand dollars. Here you can find some advice from a Chinese lawyer. If you paid by credit card, contact your credit card company to see if you can do a chargeback. You may be able to get refunded through PayPal if you file a dispute with them but note that PayPal will not refund you if they can't recover any money from the scammer, and often the scammer will be quick to withdraw it. You should not consider PayPal a safe payment method outside of eBay.

B2B sites like TradeKey.com, Alibaba.com, EC21.com all have some sort of paid members who are verified in various ways. For your own safety you should not assume that this means anything at all, especially if they joined the site very recently. And especially if they are selling cheap branded electronics, there is always very good reason to be suspicious as it's not unusual for scammers to be paid members on these sites. If you read the terms & conditions, disclaimers etc... on the sites you will most likely find that they do not make any guarantees that a paid member is legitimate or supplies authentic products. If you intend to start a business it can be a good idea to start reading the fine print. The practice of phishing is also not unheard of, you have to be sure you are dealing with the real company and not some scammer who stole their password.
:china::china::china:

phew, the source contained in this article is from US to UK to AU and all the way to Israel.
 
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From "Kellog" school huh?! Where is the "evidence" to back up their claims?! India's Ranbaxy alone is the world's largest counterfeit drug-maker!

Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) has a long tradition of being trusted by Asians. It is more effective and less harmful than "modern" (whatever that means...:undecided:) pills.

Better get your "facts" straight next time. :smitten:

Ok i will give you another link..I am sure that you wont accept this also

Essentialdrugs.org

Did you ever heard of Ayurveda??its been trusted by people all over the world that they still comes here for treatment..dont said that i am wrong becuase i came from Kerala which is famous for ayurvedic treatment.and we got lot of health tourism money..So you dont have to open your Indian expertise in this..

Ranbaxy is the world's largest counterfeit drug-maker ??? brother read some articles about Ranbaxy before making such stupid statements..you know you are making a complete fool out of your self by making such baseless allegations..people will laugh at you.

BTW Ranbaxy was taken over by a Japanese firm Daiichi-Sankyo ..Some counterfeit medicines they are making right???
 
You will receive a Email like this after order and then will be given a fake DHL tracking number. After some days, you will again contact the seller and he will make excuses like delivery stuck up in customs.

Just received same order for over 300.000 US FOB in wines, without samples, we changed prices they dont care at all. They only want us to go to their office and sign contract for ong lasting happyness......
By the way, our CEO instructed an investigation on company:

Liang Touzi Co.
Address:JunLong High-rise NO.1 MaoTang Road,NO.8 XinJian GaoXin District Guilin 541004,Guangxi P.R. China
Tel:+86-773-3339583
Fax: +86-773-5838068

Ang Li: latzcn015@yahoo.com.cn Contact:Molly Mo

REMARK:
Order No: 20090127
Shipping date: The next day after the date of payment receipt
Payment: Pay via western union. Our company western union information is as following:
First name: Zhaoxiong
Last name: Zhu
Address: Shenzhen
Country: China
(2)Payment: Pay via bank transfer. Our company bank information is as following:

BENEFICIARY INSTITUTION: BANK OF CHINA SHENZHEN BRANCH
SWIFT CODE: BKCHCNBJ45A
Address: NO.2022 International Financial Building, Jianshe Road, Shenzhen, China
Account No: 476690101883239141
Beneficiary of Remittance: Zhu Zhao Xiong
Shenzhen Dianshang Trade Co., Ltd.
Proforma Invoice
Address: No1205-55 Dongtianli Central Trade Square Houhai Avenue, Nanshan District Shenzhen City,
Guangdong China
Phone: 86-134-22480720
 
Please share the report with us. There is an Indian member (vsdoc) here who is employed in pharmaceutical company. I am sure we can THRASH[/B ]your comments.

And Fake drugs is just the tip of iceberg exposed naked, Chinese basically excel in electronics fraud. Here is some background.
:china::china::china:

phew, the source contained in this article is from US to UK to AU and all the way to Israel.


You do realize in Asia there's a huge local-domestic fashion scene, don't you? Yes, there are a FEW idiots who "crave" after Euro-Amer brands, but these idiots are a minority. There are idiots all over the globe who imitate the Black-American "Ghetto" style, from music to clothing to mannerism. There's a interesting collection of photos from Russia of these white kids (12-20+) who were posing "ghetto" style with their bling, guns (real?) and knives.

So unfortunately, stupid people all over the globe will imitate each other.

My point is many Indians on this forum gloat at any negative article on China they come across (even if it is untrue, hearsay, gossip). Worse off is that they project it like it is common in China or Asia. Sorry dude, get a life and see with your own eyes (hopefully without mental bias). :angel:
 
I will give you a search result for China's reputation

ICQ188 scam - Google Search

Here is live FAKE ELECTRONICS PRODUCTS SITE

www.hybjxld dot com

And not just the electronics, Commies are into fake bags and stuff

www.rhandbags dot com


Now, ball is in your court and waiting for that detailed report. Only face-saving exit for you, repeat this proverb with me
People who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stone :woot:
 
You will receive a Email like this after order and then will be given a fake DHL tracking number. After some days, you will again contact the seller and he will make excuses like delivery stuck up in customs.

Huh?! What was that? So you bought something online and it didn't come to you and now you are pissed at all Chinese?

DHL? That's a german shipping company. Dude try alibaba.com, they have reliable suppliers and buyers there. If you try any no-name online service you'll get scammed, be it from England, Europe, US, India or anywhere.

Don't they teach you the basics of scamming in India? Heck, when I was there nearly EVERYONE was scamming EVERYONE! :police: So don't pretend to be all naive and such.....:woot:
 
I will give you a search result for China's reputation

ICQ188 scam - Google Search

Here is live FAKE ELECTRONICS PRODUCTS SITE

www.hybjxld dot com

And not just the electronics, Commies are into fake bags and stuff

www.rhandbags dot com


Now, ball is in your court and waiting for that detailed report. Only face-saving exit for you, repeat this proverb with me
People who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stone :woot:

Wow, simply wow! You've found isolated cases of small-time fraud. Turn on the TV in USA and you an see tons of "get-rich-schemes" that defraud you late in the night, from "realestate", to "medical breakthroughs", to "stop-balding", to "super-skin-creams", to "pyramid schemes", etc.... all of this on national USA television!!!

India the land of scams and pathetic liars.... it is you who live in a glass house throwing stones. :disagree:
 
You do realize in Asia there's a huge local-domestic fashion scene, don't you? Yes, there are a FEW idiots who "crave" after Euro-Amer brands, but these idiots are a minority. There are idiots all over the globe who imitate the Black-American "Ghetto" style, from music to clothing to mannerism. There's a interesting collection of photos from Russia of these white kids (12-20+) who were posing "ghetto" style with their bling, guns (real?) and knives.

So unfortunately, stupid people all over the globe will imitate each other.

My point is many Indians on this forum gloat at any negative article on China they come across (even if it is untrue, hearsay, gossip). Worse off is that they project it like it is common in China or Asia. Sorry dude, get a life and see with your own eyes (hopefully without mental bias). :angel:

OHH come on man..you are the one who is typing all kind of baseless allegation around here just like Ranbaxy making counterfeit drugs ..and you are saying we are doing it...you dont even have any evidence for what you are saying still you dont mind telling any thing and every thing coming in your mind and now you blaming us??

you should stand infront of a mirror and said the exact word you told us "get a life dude"
 
PS: MODS, I broke down post into 3 parts as it was not fitting into one and giving Database error. Also including chinese hyperlink gives error. Kindly bear!


Sinoindus, i never ordered from any such crap chinese site. I work in computers field and recognize their foul smell from a mile away. Whole world is condemning chinese SCAMS AND FRAUDS. Is it too painful to read?
Not 1 indian source is mentioned in my post. If you want to live in denial, you can.
 
Wow, simply wow! You've found isolated cases of small-time fraud. Turn on the TV in USA and you an see tons of "get-rich-schemes" that defraud you late in the night, from "realestate", to "medical breakthroughs", to "stop-balding", to "super-skin-creams", to "pyramid schemes", etc.... all of this on national USA television!!!

India the land of scams and pathetic liars.... it is you who live in a glass house throwing stones. :disagree:

Look who is talking!! dude as i told you every country has its share of problems..at least we are accepting whats wrong in our country..why are you guys living in a denial mode??how can it help..the further you deny it ..the complicated it will be.. no country is all honey and milk ..there are some darker side in every country..Try to accept the truth otherwise live in a dream your government provided you
 
OHH come on man..you are the one who is typing all kind of baseless allegation around here just like Ranbaxy making counterfeit drugs ..and you are saying we are doing it...you dont even have any evidence for what you are saying still you dont mind telling any thing and every thing coming in your mind and now you blaming us??

you should stand infront of a mirror and said the exact word you told us "get a life dude"

You do know EU has closed it's doors on Ranbaxy, don't you? And yes, I do know it was brought under by a Japanese company, but it still operates locally.

Now let's get back on topic. This thread is: China's "little India". Let's get some facts straight:

(1) NO, China does not want to imitate India's legion of call-center operators!

(2) "little India" is NOT referring to India, but OUTSOURCING. It's known worldwide the H1B phenomenon.

(3) Lastly, its better to be developers of revolutionary software, than implementors of packaged 'solutions'. It's more difficult but you'll own the IP.

So, please stop fearing every single nation that they will take your bread-and-butter away from you! You can keep you title of undisputed king of call centers. :coffee:
 
Look who is talking!! dude as i told you every country has its share of problems..at least we are accepting whats wrong in our country..why are you guys living in a denial mode??how can it help..the further you deny it ..the complicated it will be.. no country is all honey and milk ..there are some darker side in every country..Try to accept the truth otherwise live in a dream your government provided you

Little hindu man, I do NOT live in China. I am NOT a Chinese citizen.

How difficult is it to realize the ones suffering more from state-sponsored propaganda is Hindustan? Can you accept the reality? Do you know why you people are so racist against Mongoloids? it's not just me, millions of other Orientals who visit Bharat will get the same treatment. it's an open secret. you do realize you are alienating an entire race, especially considering these same people have no ills against you to start with, don't you?! whatever, you make choices in life and you must live with the consequences.

and returning to topic: if Japan, Korea, China, Viet Nam, Malaysia, Thailand, Pakistan develops a powerful IT industry in the future, it is because of their hard work. Please don't be jealous or petty minded about it. If in future Indians are the world leaders with super-smart-brains, I won't be envious. Why must the attitude "you win, therefore I lose" exist? Can't we all be better off together? :cheers:
 

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