China's J-15 Carrier-Based Fighter is Inferior to Russian Su-33 fighter: Russia

[April.lyrics]

Yes its also a copy... bloody Russians copied it from the people of Russia... bad Isnt it?

then it is a copy.well,works well

COMPLETLY DIFFERENT! The MKI is a DERIVATIVE of the SU-30. The MKI was customised for India with help from Russia. All the revenue goes to Russia. Any production in India by HAL is only license production from Russis. No IP infringment has occured. No one is selling the MKI as a 100% indigenious product.

i can find similar reasons like u to say J-15 is not a copy of Su-33.different radars,different material,different avics,etc..

 

[SpArK]

then it is a copy.well,works well

lasts long... really long ...ting tong...

 

[April.lyrics]

Are u a kiddo?
Why relating something to something? Su 30 is Air force fighter while the Su 33, is a carrier based fighter, which Russia have stopped producing now in favour of mig 29k.
And yes J 15 is a copy of Su 33

smart~
when u say Su30mki is not a copy,u just stress the difference between Su33 and it,and ignore their similarities.
but when it comes to J15,u only notice their similarities.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

The difference between the J-15 and the SU-33 is a bit like the difference between F/A-18 Hornet and the F/A-18 Super Hornet they are related but they are not exactly the same plane. The SU-33 is a pure air superiority fighter while the J-15 is much more multi-role.

 

[sweetgrape]

Such news always absorb indian, hehe.

Back to topic
We got the prototype T10 from Ukraine, the develop J15 based on it.

You know aerodynamic shape of Sukhoi have been proven, why not use it, that can save much time and money,seems the shape is easy to copy, but if you don't have equipment to prove it(Wind Tunnel), you also can't know its features, and the component in it is also not that easy.

 

[giant panda]

China did not buy any russian SU-33,how to copy.

 

[Abingdonboy]

then it is a copy.well,works well



i can find similar reasons like u to say J-15 is not a copy of Su-33.different radars,different material,different avics,etc..

The difference is that all revenues from MKI go to RUSSIA and there has been NO IP infringment. India is not selling the MKI to 3rd parties and is certainly not making out it is a domestically produced fighter. AFAIK the Chinese pay 0 royalties/revenues to Russia for every J-15 now built and the Chinese are trying to sell the J-15 to 3rd parties making out it is an indigenious product. Russia equally won't see a penny of royalties of China makes an export deal.

One is illegal and done without the consent of the Russians (J-15) the other is 100% legal, above board and done so with the full support of the Russians (MKI).



Mate there simply is no compassion between the Indian case of the MKI and the Chinese case with the J-15.


You only need look up IP theft for 5 mins and see what China has done is completly illegal.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

smart~
when u say Su30mki is not a copy,u just stress the difference between Su33 and it,and ignore their similarities.
but when it comes to J15,u only notice their similarities.

Do u know a difference between rights and piracy?
We are paying a sum for each of Su 30 being liscenced produced in India with our own avionics requirements. We never go out bragging Su 30 is indigenous. Su 30 MKI is made for indian requirements after permission from Russia.
But J 15 is a complete piracy. And the article shown here if true, shows a complete bias and lies by Chinese govt.

 

[SpArK]

Such news always absorb indian, hehe.

Stealing , robbery news are very interesting, especially , defence related.

 

[sweetgrape]

Stealing , robbery news are very interesting, especially , defence related.

I know what you want, Just like the endless delay of indian military project to chinese.

And, you know, any china military project will go into "copy" argument at last after we giving them slap, just to save their last face and superiority over china, hehe.

 

[SpArK]

I know what you want, Just like the endless delay of indian military project to chinese.

But still .. a crime is a crime...

 

[Beast]

Fair enough- be honest. But the OP is flat out refusing it is a Russian copy.

Becos the engine , avionic and software indeed are their blood and sweat. This baby no way can fire a russian weapon, no way it can do any datalink or whatever with any of russian product. In their sense, they just borrow the shell design. The way of interpretation maybe different. Copy for those designer will be copy every single detail including the original Su-33 radar,avionices which we all know are old Soviet era product. Who the hell in their right mind now will go copy that irrelevant outdated old radar??

But still .. a crime is a crime...

Talking about military crime. Every countries iare guilty. Russian copy B-29 as Tu-4 and they come criticize Chinese?

American also copy the sweden 40mm Bofor gun.. Then the Indian INSAS copy Russian AK-47?

 

[sweetgrape]

But still .. a crime is a crime...

What's the crime? Maybe, but, better than army can't protect their people, the defence industry can't product a simple bullet.

Keep youself as saint, man.

And, we will copy all advanced thing, till to nothing to be copied, to get that, we need work harder, and hope India can creat something we can "copy".

Talking about military crime. Every countries iare guilty. Russian copy B-29 as Tu-4 and they come criticize Chinese?

American also copy the sweden 40mm Bofor gun.. Then the Indian INSAS copy Russian AK-47?

don't forget LCA and Mirage 2000, to prove China copy Russian, they have million proof, to prove LCA not Mirage 2000, they also will make million proof, that's indian, you know, impotent, but have a potent mouth, hehe.

 

[Beast]

But J 15 is a complete piracy. And the article shown here if true, shows a complete bias and lies by Chinese govt.

That is not true, basically we copy the shelf design only...You mention 'Complete piracy'. The avionics and engine definitely are domestic. Su-33 original radar are outdated. Why would we want to copy that thing? We need to develop our own for our need to fire all Chinese made weapons.

 

[SpArK]

What's the crime? Maybe, but, If better than army can't protect their people, the defence industry can't product a simple bullet.

Keep youself as saint, man.

Dum gai. .. Lei Ying Lo...Sum Ting Wong.. Wai Yu Mun Ching? Fa kin supah.