China's Hawks in Command

[gambit]

some times we do need strong voice in the government.

This statement is meaningless. By nature and necessity, EVERY government must be a unified and dominant political entity in order to assert its authority over a domain. Else, we move beyond contestant political parties and outright civil war. Contestant political rivals = Good. Contestant authority = Bad. Therefore, there is always a 'strong voice' in a government. What you are talking about is a leadership position in a particular issue. A President can assign a subordinate to be that leader in a particular issue. That is call a 'Cabinet' or assorted Ministers with respective portfolios, such as Ministry of Finance or Ministry of Defense.

It is fine for a military to advocate its responsibilities in technical issues such as how many ships, how many aircrafts, how many troops, and how much money is needed to maintain X, Y, and Z. But it is not fine for a military to speak out of turn, meaning on its own without authorization from its civilian head, about any issue that involve politics and political maneuverings, especially of foreign affairs. The FIRST target for any such assertive and aggressive military will not be external but internal, meaning it will intrude itself into domestic affairs, usually at the belief that the current civilian led government is incompetent, into being a peer in governance (not government). So now we have parallel governance (not government).

At this point we can call China a 'praetorian state'.

 

[beijingwalker]

in that short punitive expedition,we captured and destroyed their 6 province in less than 2 weeks before pulling back.we did the same thing to India too in 1962,punitive expedtion should be short and sweet,should not drag on for long.lol

Chinese soldiers patrolling in Vietnamese cities,next time if Chinese troop patrolling Indian cities,tell me that is a Chinese failure.lol

 

[Luffy 500]

Good news. China has been too pacifist all this while specially in the IOR. Its time they show the babus in delhi, who is the boss
in the region. Hope the new leadership will fast track china's naval modernization in to a powerful blue water navy that can
boast at least 2 aircraft carrier battle group in the IOR at all times after 2020.

 

[SinoChallenger]

All talk and no show.

Still feeling inferior after we captured Seoul and let the North Koreans do crazy things to your civilians?

China's going to have to pacify East Asia before it can focus its military anywhere else, and that is the most difficult region, the one where it is trusted the least, its own neighbors.

Pacifying is easy when you have 3000 nukes.

Really Chinese need some proven action on military front. Rest of the world is still judging them by their pathetic spanking in 1979.

Still feeling inferior from 1962?

i love the hawkish direction we are going.
slowly but surely, these provocations are changing the leadership style.
about time we started to spend alot more on military and build overseas military bases.
this SCS crisis is a blessing in disguise.

now the military build up will be given priority and more funds and more resources given to the PLA.

we need to build military bases globally and take an offensive approach.
best form of defence is offense.

It's because Hu Jintao and Wen Jiaobao are losing power. Wen Jiabao and Dai Bingguo are just like Cixi Dowager.

At this point we can call China a 'praetorian state'.

I take that as a compliment!

 

[dbc]

Good news. China has been too pacifist all this while specially in the IOR. Its time they show the babus in delhi, who is the boss
in the region. Hope the new leadership will fast track china's naval modernization in to a powerful blue water navy that can
boast at least 2 aircraft carrier battle group in the IOR at all times after 2020.

So you expect China to bleed for Bangladesh? Are there no men in Bangladesh to stand up to India?
And if that is true, either send forth your women to fight OR relinquish your territory to China and become a province of China.

 

[gambit]

I take that as a compliment!

True...One man's insult is another man's compliment...And am glad that there more Chinese like you who thinks a military dictatorship is a great thing for China.

 

[SinoChallenger]

True...One man's insult is another man's compliment...And am glad that there more Chinese like you who thinks a military dictatorship is a great thing for China.

When China's new hawkish leaders strike fear into the hearts of China's enemies like you, we know we finally have the right leaders in power

Our 3000 nukes is Excalibur and the rightful King has finally arrived to unleash it on our enemies!

 

[faithfulguy]

you can refer to Wikipedia,it is a third party source,neither from China nor Vietnam,it listed all the facts and figures and outcome after the war.

In 1979 war between China and Vietnam, the Chinese objective was to force Vietnam out of Cambodia. China fail to accomplish this so it lost the war. Its important to measure war by the objective of the war.

In 1962, China set out to teach India a lesson. In this case, China won the war. The whole North Indian plain lay bare to the Chinese forces. If not the the US intervention, China could have swept into New Dehli.

 

[Sergi]

When China's new hawkish leaders strike fear into the hearts of China's enemies like you, we know we finally have the right leaders in power

Our 3000 nukes is Excalibur and the rightful King has finally arrived to unleash it on our enemies!

Ooooo I am afraid right now
So china is planning to nuke something ??? Oh sad you won't be there to celebrate

 

[Fil Pacifist]

Ooooo I am afraid right now
So china is planning to nuke something ??? Oh sad you won't be there to celebrate

I am more afraid of him than sinofag's multimegaton nuclear bombs.

 

[beijingwalker]

In 1979 war between China and Vietnam, the Chinese objective was to force Vietnam out of Cambodia. China fail to accomplish this so it lost the war. Its important to measure war by the objective of the war.
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you are wrong,that's the main goal by China

wikipedia

The Chinese also achieved another strategic objective of demonstrating to their Cold War foe, the Soviet Union, that they were unable to protect their Vietnamese ally

On November 3, 1978, the USSR and Vietnam signed a twenty-five year mutual defense treaty,[18] which made Vietnam the "linchpin" in the USSR's "drive to contain China."


Deng warned Moscow the next day that China was prepared for a full-scale war against the USSR; in preparation for this conflict, China put all of its troops along the Sino-Soviet border on an emergency war alert, set up a new military command in Xinjiang, and even evacuated an estimated 300,000 civilians from the Sino-Soviet border.[21] In addition, the bulk of China's active forces (as many as one-and-a-half million troops) were stationed along China's borders with the USSR.[22]


In response to China's attack, the USSR sent several naval vessels and initiated a Soviet arms airlift to Vietnam. However the USSR felt that there was simply no way that they could directly support Vietnam against the PRC; the distances were too great to be an effective ally, and any sort of reinforcements would have to cross territory controlled by the PRC or U.S. allies. The only realistic option would be to indirectly re-start the simmering border war with China in the north. Vietnam was important to Soviet policy but not enough for the Soviets to go to war over. When Moscow did not intervene, Beijing publicly proclaimed that the USSR had broken its numerous promises to assist Vietnam. The USSR's failure to support Vietnam emboldened China to announce on April 3, 1979, that it intended to terminate the 1950 Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance, and Mutual Assistance.