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China's growing firepower casts doubt on whether U.S. could defend Taiwan
In war games, China often wins, and U.S. warships and aircraft are kept at bay.

March 27, 2021, 6:01 PM CST
By Dan De Luce and Ken Dilanian

WASHINGTON — China's massive arms buildup has raised doubts about America's ability to defend Taiwan if a war broke out, reflecting a shifting balance of power in the Pacific where American forces once dominated, U.S. officials and experts say.
In simulated combat in which China attempts to invade Taiwan, the results are sobering and the United States often loses, said David Ochmanek, a former senior Defense Department official who helps run war games for the Pentagon at the RAND Corp. think tank.

In tabletop exercises with America as the "blue team" facing off against a "red team" resembling China, Taiwan's air force is wiped out within minutes, U.S. air bases across the Pacific come under attack, and American warships and aircraft are held at bay by the long reach of China's vast missile arsenal, he said.

"Even when the blue teams in our simulations and war games intervened in a determined way, they don't always succeed in defeating the invasion," Ochmanek said.

A war over Taiwan remains a worst-case scenario that officials say is not imminent. But China's growing military prowess, coupled with its aggressive rhetoric, is turning Taiwan into a potential flashpoint between Beijing and Washington — and a test case for how the U.S. will confront China's superpower ambitions.

The outgoing head of the U.S. military's Indo-Pacific Command, Adm. Philip Davidson, warned senators this month that the U.S. is losing its military edge over China, and that Beijing could decide to try to seize control of Taiwan by force by 2027.

"We are accumulating risk that may embolden China to unilaterally change the status quo before our forces may be able to deliver an effective response," the admiral told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

"Taiwan is clearly one of their ambitions. ... And I think the threat is manifest during this decade, in fact, in the next six years."

U.S. intelligence analysts have warned for more than a decade that China's military strength was progressing at a dramatic pace, and that America's superiority was evaporating in the Pacific, Defense officials told NBC News. Only now has the message finally hit home, with simulated battles driving home the point.

"You bring in lieutenant colonels and commanders, and you subject them for three or four days to this war game. They get their asses kicked, and they have a visceral reaction to it," Ochmanek said. "You can see the learning happen."


Twenty years ago, China had no chance of successfully challenging the U.S. military in the Taiwan Strait, and Pentagon planners could count on near total air superiority and the ability to move aircraft carriers close to Taiwan's eastern coast.

But a more prosperous China has invested in new naval ships, warplanes, cyber and space weapons and a massive arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles designed to undercut the U.S. military's sea and air power.

"When you look at the numbers and ranges of systems that China deploys, it's pretty easy to deduce what their main target is because pretty much everything they build can hit Taiwan. And a lot of stuff they build really can only hit Taiwan," said David Shlapak, a senior defense researcher at the RAND Corp. think tank who also has worked on war-gaming models involving China.

Every generation of Chinese missiles has "longer and longer ranges on them," said one senior Defense official, and the missiles present a growing dilemma for the U.S. in how to penetrate the area around Taiwan, the official said.

Sowing doubts
Even if China refrains from direct military action on Taiwan, U.S. officials and analysts worry that Beijing could eventually force Taipei to buckle through steady military and economic pressure that creates a perception that the U.S. can't guarantee the island's defense.

"At some point does China have enough military capability to push the Taiwanese into some sort of settlement, where you never get into a fight, but it's just that threat hanging over the head of Taiwan?" the Defense official said.

If China succeeded in subjugating democratic-ruled Taiwan, it would send shockwaves through America's network alliances, and cause other democratic governments in Asia to doubt Washington's reliability and strength, officials and experts said.

China views the self-governed island as part of its own territory and has never renounced the possible use of force to bring it under Beijing's control. China's political leadership sees reunification with Taiwan as a core objective, and Beijing's actions and statements have grown more assertive in recent months.

When contacted by NBC News, China's embassy in Washington pointed to recent comments from foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian, who accused the United States of adopting a Cold War mentality and overstating tensions over Taiwan.

"By exploiting the Taiwan question to exaggerate China's military threat, some people in the United States are actually looking for excuses to justify the increase of the U.S. military expenditure, expansion of its military power" and interference in regional affairs, the spokesperson said.


"The United States should abandon the Cold War zero-sum mentality, view China's development and national defense development objectively and rationally, and do more things that are conducive to mutual trust between China and the United States and regional peace and stability," he said.

Starting in June, China started regularly flying fighter jets and bombers across the median line in the strait separating mainland China and Taiwan, and into Taiwan's Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). The flights have forced Taipei to scramble its fighter planes to intercept the Chinese aircraft.

The Chinese military flights are part of a campaign of pressure tactics designed to wear down Taiwan's small air force, the Defense official said, adding: "From Taiwan's perspective, there's a level of fatigue associated with this."

Taiwan has reported a series of aviation mishaps in recent months, raising questions about whether China's encroachment was having an impact on Taiwan's air crews. Two Taiwanese fighter planes crashed on March 22 in the third such incident in six months.

The U.S. Navy, meanwhile, has sent guided-missile destroyers through the Taiwan Strait three times since Biden took office, and the U.S. Air Force flew B-52 bombers to a base in Guam last month to "reinforce the rules-based international order in the Indo-Pacific region."



The United States is committed by law to providing Taiwan with the means to maintain its self-defense, and successive presidents have approved arms sales to the island, including F-16 fighter jets and Patriot missile batteries.

But Ochmanek and other analysts argue that Taiwan — and the United States — need lower-tech weapons to fend off a potential Chinese invasion, and that big-ticket items like fighter jets and Patriot missiles will prove useless in the event of a Chinese assault.

"They've invested a lot of money in Patriot missiles. Those Patriot missiles are going to die in the first few hours of the war," Ochmanek said. The same goes for fighter jets on the runway targeted by potential Chinese missile salvoes, he and other experts said.

Ochmanek argues Taiwan should invest in mines, drones and mobile anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles that could slow a Chinese amphibious and airborne invasion, providing precious time for U.S. help to arrive.

Although senior military officers mostly agree that Taiwan and the U.S. need to adapt to the risks posed by China, it’s not clear if Congress or the Pentagon would be ready to give up purchasing more fighter jets or other expensive hardware to free up money for alternative weapons.

"We are acutely aware of the threat posed by China's military build-up, as well as its aggressive behavior in Taiwan's vicinity," said a spokesperson for Taiwan's mission in Washington, the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States.

"These actions threaten peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, and are part of a broader pattern of Chinese attempts to intimidate countries in the Indo-Pacific region," it said.

"Taiwan has increased our defense spending commensurate with these challenges," the spokesperson said, and the island has plans to bolster investments into "asymmetric capabilities."



U.S. military officers in the Pacific say the Pentagon needs to shift more weapons and resources to Asia and transform its mindset to take on China. Without a change in U.S. weapons and tactics, the American military could find itself at a disadvantage in Taiwan and across the Pacific, potentially undermining the confidence of allies and partners that look to Washington as a counterweight to China, Defense officials said.

"If we make no changes in posture, then absolutely, you're going to find a future where we're simply outmatched," a second Defense official said.

"You can't just maintain the same static line of forces that we have currently assigned, particularly west of the International Date Line. That will not do the job."

The Pentagon declined to comment.

 
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When asked by a reporter about USA accusations of China militarization of South China Sea, Hua Chunying, a spokewoman of the China FM reply was: It was US aggression that motivated China to militarized these islands to defend her territory. Why blame China? It is within her right as state in UN charter.

Sailing 8300 km off US coast inside China backyard to secure US National Security interest is far fetch and hard for anyone to believe.

Now back to Taiwan, similarly it is US constant military provocation that is motivating Chinese Air Force to perform her regular patrol over Taiwan.

:sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

If US thought by starting a war, she can run away from her debts to China, she better think again.
 
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Anytime the US or Europe insults the Chinese in diplomacy, open up more aircraft factories, DF missile factories, tank and AV factories, naval shipyards, etc.

China is growing into the military size she should be.

Russia has over 20000 fighters and bombers per 1.44 billion population. Since Russia has over 140M, Russia has about 2000 fighters and bombers.

China is ten times the size of Russia, in GDP and in population. Is China's navy ten times the size of Russia. Is China's air force 10 times the size of Russia. What about armour, 10 times Russia. No. Not yet. Punish the international terrorists by retaliation in building more military production.

There is a way to do payback to the West over lies and bullying. Be ten times the size of Russian military.
 
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Anytime the US or Europe insults the Chinese in diplomacy, open up more aircraft factories, DF missile factories, tank and AV factories, naval shipyards, etc.

China is growing into the military size she should be.

Russia has over 20000 fighters and bombers per 1.44 billion population. Since Russia has over 140M, Russia has about 2000 fighters and bombers.

China is ten times the size of Russia, in GDP and in population. Is China's navy ten times the size of Russia. Is China's air force 10 times the size of Russia. What about armour, 10 times Russia. No. Not yet. Punish the international terrorists by retaliation in building more military production.

There is a way to do payback to the West over lies and bullying. Be ten times the size of Russian military.

I mean China can spend more on defense if it wanted
 
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Yes China may win but what kind of Navy and air-force will it be left with afterwards?

Not much and even India may be able to take advantage and make gains in the Himalayan region in this situation.
 
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Yes China may win but what kind of Navy and air-force will it be left with afterwards?

Not much and even India may be able to take advantage and make gains in the Himalayan region in this situation.

China is world factory. And you give too much respect to Indian Navy and air force.
 
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China is world factory. And you give too much respect to Indian Navy and air force.



Yes even the world's factory will take many months to make enough fighters to make a difference.

I take your point that India is pretty bad at war but what can China do if it has lost the bulk of it's airforce taking Taiwan? J-20s gone, most of the J-10Cs and J-11Ds also destroyed and it's best pilots killed?
 
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Yes even the world's factory will take many months to make enough fighters to make a difference.

I take your point that India is pretty bad at war but what can China do if it has lost the bulk of it's airforce taking Taiwan? J-20s gone, most of the J-10Cs and J-11Ds also destroyed and it's best pilots killed?
You think such massive conflict, others can stay intact? If a war between China and US. It will definitely be WWIII. The last war to end mankind. So those who provoke China about Taiwan think twice. Is a small Taiwan island world destroying the world?
 
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Yes even the world's factory will take many months to make enough fighters to make a difference.

I take your point that India is pretty bad at war but what can China do if it has lost the bulk of it's airforce taking Taiwan? J-20s gone, most of the J-10Cs and J-11Ds also destroyed and it's best pilots killed?
Which country can massively destroy J-20, J-11, J-10 on this earth? LOL I am pretty sure if it had ever happened, an escalation to a nuclear exchange of more than 1000 H-bomb warheads between the 2 sides would realise in ONE day. In that situation China wouldn't mind throwing some additional H-bomb war heads into India, say 50 to 100, if India is really keen to get them.
 
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Yes even the world's factory will take many months to make enough fighters to make a difference.

I take your point that India is pretty bad at war but what can China do if it has lost the bulk of it's airforce taking Taiwan? J-20s gone, most of the J-10Cs and J-11Ds also destroyed and it's best pilots killed?

Kashgar airbase is from where PLA strikes Taiwan using strategic bombers. It's located 4,500+ km from Taipei, outside the range of Taiwan's F-16.

 
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Which country can massively destroy J-20, J-11, J-10 on this earth? LOL I am pretty sure if it had ever happened, an escalation to a nuclear exchange of more than 1000 H-bomb warheads between the 2 sides would realise in ONE day. In that situation China wouldn't mind throwing some additional H-bomb war heads into India, say 50 to 100, if India is really keen to get them.


China wont fight a nuclear war over Taiwan.

It will be conventional air and naval battles.

Chinese pdf posters here may think so but the Chinese leadership is more rationale.
 
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China wont fight a nuclear war over Taiwan.

It will be conventional air and naval battles.

Chinese pdf posters here may think so but the Chinese leadership is more rationale.

These braindead fools don't understand the doctrine of MAD aka Mutually Assured Destruction
 
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China wont fight a nuclear war over Taiwan.

It will be conventional air and naval battles.

Chinese pdf posters here may think so but the Chinese leadership is more rationale.

LOL I can guarantee you the Chinese leadership will stay cool and calm under any circumstances. However I can also guarantee you that they will not be hesitated to trigger the use of nuclear weapons even though they officially stated that they will never actively launch nuclear attacks.

To make sure they do have that kind of trigger, they developed DF-26 which has hot swappable warheads, nuclear, land attacking and anti-ship, with exactly the same looking. In a real war they will just erect a couple of rounds of DF-26 to attack a F-22 and F-35 base at Guam, and let the Americans think hard if they'd like to counter attack or not.
 
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Yes China may win but what kind of Navy and air-force will it be left with afterwards?

Not much and even India may be able to take advantage and make gains in the Himalayan region in this situation.

Pakistan would open up on India in that regard. India isn’t stupid to join a fight that China has elsewhere.
 
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