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China’s GDP growth could be half of reported number, says US economist at prominent Chinese university

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If China’s bad debts were written down, its economic growth rate would be half the recorded number, a US economist at a prominent Chinese university has warned.

In a speech in Shanghai this week, Michael Pettis, professor of finance at Peking University, warned that China’s debt is closely linked to the government’s perceived overstatement of its gross domestic product (GDP).

The government is accused of perpetuating the existence of “zombie companies”, by granting loss-making companies loans. Banks in turn treat these companies as creditworthy, whereas in reality they should be written off as bad debt, Pettis said.


“If you believe there is bad debt that has not been sufficiently written down, you must believe that China’s GDP is overstated, relative to what it would be in any other country. That must be true,” Pettis said.

“If we are able to calculate GDP correctly, it would probably be half of the recorded number.”

Pettis is not alone seeing troubles with China’s official growth number.

In December, Xiang Songzuo, an outspoken professor from the Renmin University of China, who previously served as chief economist for Agricultural Bank of China, cited unidentified internal reports as saying that said China’s GDP growth for 2018 could be 1.67 per cent or even negative, a far cry from the official figures.


Furthermore, a group of four economists published a paper this week arguing that China might have overstated its annual growth rate by 2 percentage points on average from 2008 to 2016. China’s official statistics agency said the country’s economic growth rate was 6.6 per cent in 2018.

The Chinese government said it would try to achieve an economic growth rate between 6.0 to 6.5 per cent in 2019, a moderate slowdown from previous years, but nevertheless a much faster rate compared with other major economies.

Pettis is a renowned expert on China’s economy. For decades, he has been commenting on financial affairs in China and was among the early observers of the imbalances in the Chinese economy.

He said in his speech on Wednesday that China’s growth will significantly decelerate as the country’s debt level rises.

While China’s central bank vice-governor Chen Yulu said this week that China‘s ratio of total debt to GDP, fell by 1.5 percentage points in 2018, many worry that the country’s debt level could rise again.

Beijing has been encouraging

an expansion in bank credit in a bid to help boost growth and stave off a slowdown in the global economy and the effects of the US-China trade war.


Pettis, meanwhile, said the likelihood of a debt crisis in China is low, but that the government’s ability to constantly restructure its debts through the economy may be harmful in the long run for the economy.

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Not having a crisis is good for political and social reasons, but economically it could be much worse than having a crisis,” he said.

Pettis said Japan’s refusal to clean up its debt in the 1990s has contributed to its “lost decades”, the periods of long term low growth and deflation ever since.

“The more debt China has, the longer this adjustment period of very low growth during which period debt has grown out of system will be. That is the problem of an excessive amount of debt,” he said.

To avoid a calamitous collapse in growth while reducing debt, China should transfer 2 to 3 per cent of GDP from the state sector to households, in the form of consumer spend, Pettis said.

“If you could pass the wealth from local government to give it to ordinary Chinese people at that [preferential] rate, Chinese consumption will take off like a rocket,” Pettis said, adding that it would be “politically tough” to do that.

“In short, China’s local governments and state enterprises have to give away wealth to households. This would be the biggest wealth transfer in history. And it’s quite tough to do,” he added.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-...-growth-could-be-half-reported-number-says-us


Fake it till you make it lol :rofl:
 
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China's GDP growth pace was inflated for nine years, study finds

China over-reported its economic growth between 2008 and 2016 by an average of 1.7 percentage points, according to a recent study by researchers at the Chinese University of Hong Kong and the University of Chicago.

The discrepancy came from local governments who are rewarded for meeting growth and investment targets, the authors say in a draft paper published by the Brookings Institution. The Beijing-based National Bureau of Statistics, knowing such manipulation well, has been adjusting the local numbers but hasn’t done so sufficiently since 2008, authors Wei Chen, Xilu Chen, Chang-Tai Hsieh and Zheng Song wrote.

"Local statistics increasingly misrepresent the true numbers after 2008, but there was no corresponding change in the adjustment made by the NBS," they wrote. They instead use numbers such as tax revenue, satellite night lights, electricity consumption, railway cargo flow, exports and imports -- less likely to be fudged, to predict the actual gross domestic product of the world’s second largest economy.

The revised numbers "indicate that the slowdown in Chinese growth since 2008 is more severe than suggested by the official statistics," they wrote.

China’s NBS didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

China’s GDP has long been criticized for either over- or under-estimating growth, or for smoothing out the fluctuations in real economic activities. Local authorities, eager to achieve economic growth goals so as to improve their own chances of promotion, used to report regional GDP figures that when summed would be more than 10 percent larger than the official national figure.

In recent years, the national authority has cracked down on fudging statistics by collecting data directly from firms, naming and shaming officials as well as setting up a specific inspection arm. The head of the statistics bureau claimed last year that the problems were all in the past, and from 2019, it will start to compute GDP for the 31 domestic regions.

Tom Orlik, chief economist for Bloomberg Economics and author of "Understanding China’s Economic Indicators" says he is “cautious” about the paper’s conclusions.

The NBS has made "determined efforts" to squeeze out the impact of local exaggeration since the 1990s, and the argument that local officials have overstated investment is hard to square with the well-known narrative that China’s capital spending rose too much, he wrote. The authors base their estimate of the “true” rate of GDP on tax revenue, but that may have reflected a larger services sector, and should not be taken as more accurate than other official indicators, according to Orlik.

What Bloomberg’s economist says
The broader point, once we slip loose of the anchor of the official GDP data, we’re floating in an ocean of uncertainty... As China plays an expanded role in the global economy and in global markets, that’s a problem: Chief economist for Bloomberg Economics Tom Orlik.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ne-years-study-finds/articleshow/68330636.cms

Is China even a real country at this point? :lol:
 
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US GDP is bloated by the stock market, that's real fake GDP. China now is the world number one industrial nation, manufacturing nation, trading nation and produces and consumes roughly half of the world major raw materials, after China becomes world number on in everything, who cares that meaningless GDP numbers which are gauge in different ways in different countries, we care more about what's happening on the ground.
 
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US GDP is bloated by the stock market, that's real fake GDP. China now is the world number one industrial nation, manufacturing nation, trading nation and produces and consumes roughly half of the world major raw materials, after China becomes world number on in everything, who cares that meaningless GDP numbers which are gauge in different ways in different countries, we care more about what's happening on the ground.

We rebuild China fool... Pay homage where it's due lol
 
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We rebuild China fool... Pay homage where it's due lol
You came to China for making money and exploiting China'a huge market and low labor cost, stop trying to make yourself look like a saint, you are just blood suckers like every capitalist businessman, you've already got much more than you invested here, care to give the massive profit back to us?
 
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China is super strong the one who denies it is a noob.
Hope china and india can live peacefully.
I pity my ministers to let china befriend pakistan a big blunder.
 
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China's GDP growth pace was inflated for nine years, study finds

China over-reported its economic growth between 2008 and 2016 by an average of 1.7 percentage points, according to a recent study by researchers at the Chinese University of Hong Kong and the University of Chicago.

The discrepancy came from local governments who are rewarded for meeting growth and investment targets, the authors say in a draft paper published by the Brookings Institution. The Beijing-based National Bureau of Statistics, knowing such manipulation well, has been adjusting the local numbers but hasn’t done so sufficiently since 2008, authors Wei Chen, Xilu Chen, Chang-Tai Hsieh and Zheng Song wrote.

"Local statistics increasingly misrepresent the true numbers after 2008, but there was no corresponding change in the adjustment made by the NBS," they wrote. They instead use numbers such as tax revenue, satellite night lights, electricity consumption, railway cargo flow, exports and imports -- less likely to be fudged, to predict the actual gross domestic product of the world’s second largest economy.

The revised numbers "indicate that the slowdown in Chinese growth since 2008 is more severe than suggested by the official statistics," they wrote.

China’s NBS didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

China’s GDP has long been criticized for either over- or under-estimating growth, or for smoothing out the fluctuations in real economic activities. Local authorities, eager to achieve economic growth goals so as to improve their own chances of promotion, used to report regional GDP figures that when summed would be more than 10 percent larger than the official national figure.

In recent years, the national authority has cracked down on fudging statistics by collecting data directly from firms, naming and shaming officials as well as setting up a specific inspection arm. The head of the statistics bureau claimed last year that the problems were all in the past, and from 2019, it will start to compute GDP for the 31 domestic regions.

Tom Orlik, chief economist for Bloomberg Economics and author of "Understanding China’s Economic Indicators" says he is “cautious” about the paper’s conclusions.

The NBS has made "determined efforts" to squeeze out the impact of local exaggeration since the 1990s, and the argument that local officials have overstated investment is hard to square with the well-known narrative that China’s capital spending rose too much, he wrote. The authors base their estimate of the “true” rate of GDP on tax revenue, but that may have reflected a larger services sector, and should not be taken as more accurate than other official indicators, according to Orlik.

What Bloomberg’s economist says
The broader point, once we slip loose of the anchor of the official GDP data, we’re floating in an ocean of uncertainty... As China plays an expanded role in the global economy and in global markets, that’s a problem: Chief economist for Bloomberg Economics Tom Orlik.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ne-years-study-finds/articleshow/68330636.cms

Is China even a real country at this point? :lol:
I stop reading your post. He he he.:argh:
I was just in China and their pay is already matching pay in Malaysia. Maybe even higher. It's also safer and cleaner in China. Wake up man and smell the coffee. :china:
 
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We rebuild China fool... Pay homage where it's due lol
It was a mutually beneficial interaction. The US gets unprecedented market access to China and is able to exploit very low labor costs. In exchange, China becomes a huge exporter/manufacturer. Of course, not everything is equal.
 
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Western economist can just open their mouths and anything can come out of them. They also claim that China artificially devalues RMB by 50%, if that's so, China's real nominal GDP should be twice as much as it is now.
 
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Michael Pettis is as moronic as Jim Chanos. Both these losers have predicted the demise of China for a long time. Year after year, they are laughably wrong. But they can get an audience in the West for those anti-China losers hoping for China to collapse.

Both these losers make up a straw man assumption and then they make their arguments based on that straw man assumption.

Why the CPC allows these anti-China rodents like Michael Pettis to work at a Chinese University is beyond me.
 
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Michael Pettis is as moronic as Jim Chanos. Both these losers have predicted the demise of China for a long time. Year after year, they are laughably wrong. But they can get an audience in the West for those anti-China losers hoping for China to collapse.

Both these losers make up a straw man assumption and then they make their arguments based on that straw man assumption.

Why the CPC allows these anti-China rodents like Michael Pettis to work at a Chinese University is beyond me.

Whether his saying is true or not is not so important. Of course absolute majority know it is not true, because there are still many measurable and verifiable indicators, in which Chinese economy seems to have already surpassed that of the US and those indicators make US GDP data look fake.

The importance here is that China government allows this kind of speech inside China. As China becoming the world sole superpower, it needs to get used and show tolerance to such kind of speech, both from outside and inside.
 
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