China's first domestically-made Carinval super cruise ship set for commercial success

[beijingwalker]

China's first domestically-made Carinval super cruise ship set for commercial success​

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Adora Magic City is now the 6th Vista class cruise ship built

Active ship classes for Carnival
71K ton Fantasy: 2 (6 retired)
102K ton Destiny: 5
113K ton Concordia: 1 ( 1 sank)
130K ton Dream: 4
133K ton Vista: 6
183K ton Excellence (aka Excel): 9

Vista-class cruise ship (2016) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Vista class is a class of cruise ships built by Fincantieri in Italy. The ships are operated by the Carnival Cruise Line, Costa Crociere, and Adora Cruises divisions of Carnival Corporation & plc.

The ship's design is based on the design of Carnival's Dream-class fleet of ships, but with a different stern and main atrium. The length was increased an additional 56-58 ft on the Vista-Class ships, compared to the Dream-class.

Succeeded by

Excellence class

Ships​

Carnival Cruise Line
Ship	In service	Gross tonnage	Builder	Baseport	Flag	Notes	Image
Costa Cruises
Adora Cruises
Carnival Vista	2016–present	133,596 GT	Fincantieri, Monfalcone	Galveston, Texas (until November 2023) Port Canaveral, Florida (after November 2023)	Panama	First Vista-class ship Tied with Carnival Horizon as largest Carnival ship until 2019
Carnival Horizon	2018–present	133,596 GT	Fincantieri, Marghera	Miami, Florida	Panama
Carnival Panorama	2019–present	133,868 GT	Fincantieri, Marghera	Long Beach, California	Panama	Former flagship of Carnival fleet until Mardi Gras
Carnival Venezia	2019–present	135,225 GT	Fincantieri, Monfalcone	New York City, New York (2023) Port Canaveral (late 2024-Spring 2025)	Italy	Ship designated for Costa's China fleet keel laid on 1 November 2017. Floated out on 22 June 2018.[17][18] In service for Carnival, under the Carnival Fun Italian Style concept.
Costa Firenze[19]	2021–present	135,225 GT	Fincantieri, Marghera	Italy, Spain & France (until 2024) Long Beach, California (after 2024)	Italy	Ship designated for Costa's China fleet construction started on 25 May 2018[20] launched on 6 November 2019[21] Will be transferred to Carnival, be renamed Carnival Firenze and sail under the Costa by Carnival concept in 2024.
Adora Magic City	2023	135,500 GT	CSSC, Shanghai Waigaoqiao Shipbuilding	Shanghai, China		Construction started on 18 October 2019.[22] Keel laid on 10 November 2020.[23] Launched on 17 December 2021.[24]
TBA	2024	142,000 GT	CSSC, Shanghai Waigaoqiao Shipbuilding	TBA		Construction started on 8 August 2022 bigger than the other ships of the class; 341 m (1,118 ft 9 in)

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The world's cruiseship market is so big it's really hard to picture in your head all the ships.
Above was listed the cruiseships for Carnival.

To help put the world's insane cruiseship fleet size into perspective lets now add just Royal Carribeans active fleet in a row (this is just a slice of the pie) to understand the ridiculous scale

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MSC

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Norwegian

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January 16, 2023

How Many Cruise Ships Are There In the World? 2024 - Cruise Ship Traveller

Number of cruise ships for each cruise line along with total passenger capacity.

cruiseshiptraveller.com

How Many Cruise Ships Are There?​

In the table below, we have listed all known cruise lines with the number of ships in the fleet and a total passenger capacity per cruise line.

Cruise Line	Number of Ships	Total Capacity
Royal Caribbean	26	112,993
Carnival	24	75,384
MSC Cruises	21	85,452
Norwegian Cruise Line	18	53,634
Princess Cruises	15	47,950
Celebrity Cruises	15	32,377
Hurtigruten	14	9395
Ponant / Paul Gauguin	13	2625
AIDA	12	38,572
Costa Cruises	12	37,019
Holland America	11	39,577
Silversea Cruises	11	4438
Lindblad Expeditions	10	970
Viking Cruises (Ocean)	7	6510
P&O Cruises	6	20,385
TUI Cruises	6	15,862
Oceania Cruises	6	5798
Seabourn Cruise Line	6	2875
Windstar Cruises	6	1514
Quark Expeditions	6	967
Disney	5	17,400
Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines	5	5099
Regent Seven Seas	5	3475
Hapag Lloyd	5	1641
American Cruise Lines	5	651
Marella Cruise	4	7404
Phoenix Reisen	4	3239
Azamara	4	2983
Saga Cruises	4	2382
P&O Australia	3	7198
Cunard	3	6868
Virgin Voyages	2	5400
Celestyal Cruises	2	3097
Margaritaville at Sea	2	2804
Sea Dream Yacht Club	2	224
Voyages to Antiquity	1	380
Hebridean Island Cruises	1	60
Totals	302	664,602

A few years ago it was around 340 but Covid killed a lot of them.

 

[jhungary]

to put the world's insane cruiseship fleet size into perspective here is just Royal Carribeans fleet

start counting

I thought COVID had killed off the Cruise Liner industry a long time ago......

You will never catch me on a cruise.......

 

[beijingwalker]

The world's cruiseship market is so big it's really hard to picture in your head all the ships.
Above was listed 27 cruiseship for Carnival.

To put the world's insane cruiseship fleet size into perspective lets now add just Royal Carribeans fleet

start counting

But why US can't build them by itself?

 

[beijingwalker]

Once after China first gets her hands on something, China will dominate it very fast. With China's already unrivaled shipbuilding capability, soon China will put all current global rivals for large cruise ships out of business.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

But why US can't build them by itself?

Why did China need Carnival's (a US company BTW) help? Why weren't you building them on your own with all that so-called brainpower and shipbuilding prowess?

Again another classic example of how behind almost every Chinese triumph..lurks the usual Western master showing them how to do something because they are completely afraid of designing something on their own incase it fails.

Over and over whether it be your Shenzhou, your tallest buildings, or your first aircraft carrier.

 

[beijingwalker]

Why did China need Carnival's help? Why weren't you building them?

They came to us , not the otherway around, would you turn away a big customer?

 

[jhungary]

Why did China need Carnival's (a US company) help? Why weren't you building them on your own with all that so-called brainpower?

Will anyone ever travel on a Chinese Cruise??

COVID and Cruise is not a good mix, and if you put China into it, it's going to be bad.....

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

They came to us , not the otherway around, would you turn away a big customer?

So Carnival went to China and wanted to offer cruiseship services but got extorted by the Chinese government into building their ships locally and creating a joint venture as the only way they would be allowed.

So now you are crowing about a Chinese shipbuilding triumph? Hmmm

..and China is crying about countries refusing to import Chinese EV unless they are built locally..as being ridiculous.

 

[beijingwalker]

So Carnival went to China and wanted to offer cruiseship services but got extorted by the Chinese government into building their ships locally as the only way they would be allowed.

So now you are crowing about a Chinese shipbuilding triumph? Hmmm

lol, they can choose to build their ships elsewhere, perhap in US? It's always their options. Do you really believe Carnival is stupid enough to beg to be "extorted"?

 

[faithfulguy]

So Carnival went to China and wanted to offer cruiseship services but got extorted by the Chinese government into building their ships locally as the only way they would be allowed.

So now you are crowing about a Chinese shipbuilding triumph? Hmmm

..and China is crying about countries refusing to import Chinese EV unless they are built locally..as being ridiculous.

Royal has a ship sailing in China. And it’s not Chinese made. Look up Spectrum of the Seas. All the signs are both in English and Mandarin.

Also, China can’t build everything. I don’t know why China want to build cruise ships as it’s already been done by European countries and not technologically sophisticated. That’s why US do not build these niche ships.

Once after China first gets her hands on something, China will dominate it very fast. With China's already unrivaled shipbuilding capability, soon China will put all current global rivals for large cruise ships out of business.

Cruise ship industry is too matured. And China doesn’t have the cruise demand as Chinese prefer to pack on a bus like sardines for vacation. What could the Chinese do on a ship? Lay out on the Lido deck to get a sun tan? It’s not suitable for East Asia.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Unfortunately we dont have many good travel destinations for cruise ships, so far its only south Korea - Japan route, you get 2 days at sea 4 days taking bus tours watching their lame cities, cost is relatively cheap but Internet fee they charge on the ship is a rip off, also slow as f.

IMO taking a mini cruise going downstream Yangtze river is a better choice, for the scenery that is. The ships are nothing comparable to these super cruises however.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Unfortunately we dont have many good travel destinations for cruise ships,

Maybe I'll give the typical rabid HSR excuse of you should have an extensive network of them anyway..even if they would be big money losers due to lack of interest and not being a good fit.

Internet fee they charge on the ship is a rip off, also slow as f.

Hopefully Starlink will solve that.

IMO taking a mini cruise going downstream Yangtze river is a better choice, for the scenery that is. The ships are nothing comparable to these super cruises however.

Sounds very logical. Some things work better than others in different countries.

 

[beijingwalker]

South China Sea is a good place to go

Spectacular Yacht traffic jam in Sanya bay , China's tropical Hainan province​