China's CX-1 Missile Now Exportable

[kaku1]

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but it has 48 vls tubes, if all those tubes had aster 15 and aster 30 and were expended shooting down two dozen c-802 missiles in a first wave, then it wont have any more missiles, and the 4-6 CX-1 Missiles could get through and turn that destroyer into the royal navy's general belgrano (the motive from an Argentinian point of view, should hostilities break out)

double or triple the numbers of missiles if its a floatilla of two type 45 destroyers and multiple type 23 frigates to ensure those ships are sunk (the c-802 might actually have some get through and the cx-1 might not be needed, but all good militaries plan for over kill if they have the resources

also if the chinese/pakistanis are willing to export the jf-17 to argentina, the chinese will more than likely be required by the Argentinians to sell advanced missiles of all kinds early on, so an arms embargo doesn't cut their supplies when they actually need the missiles

even china was pressured to cut off missile sales to iran, so even the chinese could cut off exports to a another nation if major powers put pressure on them.

doesn't matter how "advanced" a destroyer is, without armament it is just a target

britian can currently count on the fact that argentina is basically bankrupt and not run by another military dictatorship with argressive intent

This destroyer is a fleet destroyer, not alone one. Its purpose is to escort QE class. So, what you think, what would be retaliation from QE.

Even SAMPSON can detect a bogey from 300 Km, what you think British aircraft remain on its carrier, while a JF-17 destroy its whole fleet?

 

[FuturePAF]

This destroyer is a fleet destroyer, not alone one. Its purpose is to escort QE class. So, what you think, what would be retaliation from QE.

Even SAMPSON can detect a bogey from 300 Km, what you think British aircraft remain on its carrier, while a JF-17 destroy its whole fleet?

its all about detection, flying 100 fleet above the water, jf-17, properly coated with RAM in that new "stealthier" configuration might be able to get close enough before they are detected to launch waves of anti-ship cruise missiles

if for example 2 squadrons of j-17 launch on one carrier battle group armed with CX-1 missiles, and are detected after gettign to within 150km of the carrier, traveling at supersonic speed could be within firing range when only a handful of F-35s can get get up to intercept

if they are able to sink the carrier and the rest of her escorts; 1. the fighters have no where to return to 2. losing even all those fighters might be considered worth it to sink the british task group

its a gamble but wars are won on the offense, israeli air forces attack on egypt in 1967 showed what risking all could achieve

 

[Nilesh Singh]

its all about detection, flying 100 fleet above the water, jf-17, properly coated with RAM in that new "stealthier" configuration might be able to get close enough before they are detected to launch waves of anti-ship cruise missiles

if for example 2 squadrons of j-17 launch on one carrier battle group armed with CX-1 missiles, and are detected after gettign to within 150km of the carrier, traveling at supersonic speed could be within firing range when only a handful of F-35s can get get up to intercept

if they are able to sink the carrier and the rest of her escorts; 1. the fighters have no where to return to 2. losing even all those fighters might be considered worth it to sink the british task group

its a gamble but wars are won on the offense, israeli air forces attack on egypt in 1967 showed what risking all could achieve

War is not fought on if and buts.......... there is a big hole in your story thinking what you will be doing will be done and whatever British does it is going to fail.

 

[FuturePAF]

War is not fought on if and buts.......... there is a big hole in your story thinking what you will be doing will be done and whatever British does it is going to fail.

you are right, Murphy's law dictates something will go wrong in the plan, but war is about taking chances with the best strategy and intelligence avialable and if war is deemed nessecary by the powers that be

the British carrier air wing will probably have a merlin AEW Helicopter providing overwatch when attack is expected, but detection ranges are limited by the curvature of the earth and the altitude the helicopter is flying at

I'm not saying all will go to plan, the point is enough cx-1 missiles get through before the planes are shot down, to make their sacrifice worth it in the eyes of the argentinians
even if the carrier has 30-40 fighters on board, all are probably not flying or ready to fly constantly, and the short period where they have numerical superiority can allow then if when planned to deliver a devastating blow, sort of a pearl harbor on the british fleet. they could use it to sue for peace or press their advantage if it serves their war aims

the point is, if the argentinians think they have a chance, and if this is a mission they plan to train for and equip for, and
the JF-17/CX-1 combination is the best option they have avialable, then they may buy it, if they have the funds avialable

 

[alphapak]

Has Pak got the CX-1 or equivalent?

 

[Fawad alam]

Pakistan needs to obtain this missile as a direct answer to Brahmos

it add nicely to our inventory

We already have CM-400 air launch version of this missile.

 

[LKJ86]

We already have CM-400 air launch version of this missile.

CM-400AKG

 

[Aasimkhan]

What about navys coastal missile system, is it same?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

We already have CM-400 air launch version of this missile.

Not exactly the same kind of missile.

The CX-1 and CM-302 are cruising missiles, i.e. they rely on an air-breathing engine to power sustained flight to the target, which can include following a complex flight path and other benefits.

The CM-400AKG is more of a miniature ballistic missile. There's no air-breathing engine; instead, it relies on a solid fuel motor to develop a high terminal (i.e. when it hits the target) velocity. But it doesn't maneuver or provide any evading capabilities, it just uses a ballistic trajectory and brute high speed to get past air defences.

 

[Aasimkhan]

Not exactly the same kind of missile.

The CX-1 and CM-302 are cruising missiles, i.e. they rely on an air-breathing engine to power sustained flight to the target, which can include following a complex flight path and other benefits.

The CM-400AKG is more of a miniature ballistic missile. There's no air-breathing engine; instead, it relies on a solid fuel motor to develop a high terminal (i.e. when it hits the target) velocity. But it doesn't maneuver or provide any evading capabilities, it just uses a ballistic trajectory and brute high speed to get past air defences.

Air breathing engine at mac3 should be a ramjet. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Fawad alam]

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Not exactly the same kind of missile.

The CX-1 and CM-302 are cruising missiles, i.e. they rely on an air-breathing engine to power sustained flight to the target, which can include following a complex flight path and other benefits.

The CM-400AKG is more of a miniature ballistic missile. There's no air-breathing engine; instead, it relies on a solid fuel motor to develop a high terminal (i.e. when it hits the target) velocity. But it doesn't maneuver or provide any evading capabilities, it just uses a ballistic trajectory and brute high speed to get past air defences.

OK, Thanks for Information.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Air breathing engine at mac3 should be a ramjet. Correct me if I am wrong.

Yep.

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777 @Oscar which is better a missile that use its Speed to avoid Air Defense or a Missile that use Maneuverability to evade AD at slow speed ?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777 @Oscar which is better a missile that use its Speed to avoid Air Defense or a Missile that use Maneuverability to evade AD at slow speed ?

I think a mix - i.e. subsonic AShM, supersonic-cruising AShM and the air-launched ballistic missile - would be ideal.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I think a mix - i.e. subsonic AShM, supersonic-cruising AShM and the air-launched ballistic missile - would be ideal.

any example for such missile present in any's country arsenal ?