China’s bullet trains facilitate market integration and mitigate the cost of megacity growth

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Commuters spend around $400/month on our 'Slow Train' that you can't even get a seat during rush hour if you take it from a non main station. The Viva (another slow train) cost you $200/person for a 450 km distance ride. China's hsr is priced pretty decent.

There is a reason why you can't get a seat in those slow trains.

Well these Commuters are not your average Chinese. 2.4K every month on commuting ? Who are you kidding!

Average wage of an Engineer in China is around 40k US$ and even he can't afford to pay 5K every year.

hsr is not really for you average Joe to commute from A to B everyday.

 

[cnleio]

is it a 2nd or 1st class seat, cnleio ? As I checked, your fare level is 2nd class
for 1st 1,500 RMB, for business : 3,000 RMB


for 10 hours trip, it should be a soft sleeper or it costs 1000 RMB more for head and shoulder massage. In my rich experience of travelling, 5 hours+ trip in seat turn anyone to aches.

How about China air passenger performance same route, @cnleio ?

For air passenger, it takes one-third of time and cost 888-1000 rmb for economy class which is comfortable enough for 3 hours or more.

For saving time, cost and health at the distance, I vote for air passenger. It's true for business and white collar.

For saving cost, a return home worker would choose a traditional train for one-fifth fare level and takes double time. And traditional train did expand to less-developped area more than HSR.

She buy the 2nd class seat ticket from a travel site on-line, she has the VIP account. Maybe my GF buy a discount ticket by exchanging VIP bonus points.

From ShenZhen-to-BeiJing, it's a very long distance >1,000km. U'd better take the airline plane to save time. I just check the plane ticket pirce: 700~900RMB in different time, in festival days the ShenZhen-to-BeiJing plane ticket price will over 1,000RMB.

I think Chinese have been used to spend >5 hours in the train from West China to East China or South China to North China, coz lands of China is so big. Of course China need HSR more faster and cost cheaper to save our time and money.

 

[AKIRAKUMA]

I will not be happy if the govt use my money for building the high-speed rail for rich man than average person ...
can tell that's the govt investment or private investment ?
Anyway, the benefit of this high-speed rail is basically not for majority of Chinese people !!!

Train No. Departs Arrives Duration Distance(km) Seat Fares(RMB) Hard Sleeper Fares(RMB) Soft Sleeper Fares(RMB)

T36/T37Zhengzhou 02:43 Guangzhou 19:23 16h40m 1605 190/- 325/337/348 507/530
T266/T263Zhengzhou 03:35 Guangzhou 18:58 15h23m 1605 190/ -325/337/348 507/530

I dont believe the high speed rail will have same fare with low speed ( 100km / h ) rail as above. 530 vs 600 RMB for 1605 km ...

Ah...If need to travel long distances,most people will choose high-speed rail,High Speed Rail formalities easier than aircraft.
In the city,people are more accustomed to the subway and bus,buses need 2 RMB,subway need 3~5 RMB .
Don't worry ,people can afford,HSR isn't the main travel tool.

 

[cirr]

Taiyuan South Railway Station opens July 1 2014

Taiyuan, Shanxi Province
Opens with Taiyuan - Xi'an HSR

Pics taken one day before opening 6/30 by 奔跑的李梦龙

 

[BoQ77]

Ah...If need to travel long distances,most people will choose high-speed rail,High Speed Rail formalities easier than aircraft.
In the city,people are more accustomed to the subway and bus,buses need 2 RMB,subway need 3~5 RMB .
Don't worry ,people can afford,HSR isn't the main travel tool.

Which way an average Guy choose for the holiday trip of his family? with him, wife and kids to Hainan or shenzhen from Beijing?
How harder the air passengers as you mentioned? As our previous trip it's quite easy to fly six times during 9 days with 2 small kids and luggages. I choose airliner because it spends less energy of the small kids than others. While it save energy and time for playtime. It still takes total 11 hours of flight time without transit and immigration time.

 

[cirr]

Taiyuan South Railway Station continued

 

[BoQ77]

does it take much of time for passengers to board the HSR ?

 

[cirr]

Construction of Shenzhen-Maoming HSR starts June 28th, 2014

Total length: 387 KM
Operating speed: 200 km/h
Completion: 2018
Location: Guangdong Province

does it take much of time for passengers to board the HSR ?

5 mins max if it needs be。

2 mins for the young and agile。

 

[Jlaw]

Construction of Shenzhen-Maoming HSR starts June 28th, 2014

Total length: 387 KM
Operating speed: 200 km/h
Completion: 2018
Location: Guangdong Province



5 mins max if it needs be。

2 mins for the young and agile。

Why is this train only operating speed at 200 km/h? Aren't they all supposed to be at leas 300 km/hr?

 

[BoQ77]

5 mins max if it needs be。

2 mins for the young and agile。

Can you tell me as a traveller more on ticketing and transit time?
I think that's the important thing to schedule any trip.

- How much of time to pre-book the ticket? Is it possible to just arrive the station and buy the ticket for next hour departure?
- The indicators are clear in international language or just in Chinese?
- I heard an Australian guy review that he takes hours of queueing for ticket before realize that he was in the wrong queue, and must restart his waiting for ticket.
- Can we complete a route and change to another with new ticket easily, not much transit time ?

Why is this train only operating speed at 200 km/h? Aren't they all supposed to be at leas 300 km/hr?

I heard that the officials decided to reduce the speed by one of below reason:
1. Safety
2. Reduce the cost of high-speed, travel at higher speed need more energy
3. Promote the passenger to use HSR by lower speed, lower fare.

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HSR is nothing if cruising with empty cars.

 

[TaiShang]

does it take much of time for passengers to board the HSR ?

You are the most sceptical type of Viet I ever seen. If every Viet had been like you, I guess your country would not be the backward third world hole it is today.

Or maybe the Viet is critical only of others' actions while ignoring their own demeaning conditions.
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In the meantime in China...

Attention passengers, "Mao Zedong" is leaving the station!

A ‪#‎train‬ named after ‪#‎China‬’s late Chairman Mao Zedong was recently spotted at ‪#‎Beijing‬’s West Railway Station.

The train is expected to unswervingly follow a route that takes passengers from Beijing down to Fuyang city, Anhui Province.

The 68-year-old broken-down cargo train was brought back to life and repurposed for passenger use through the efforts of workers in Harbin, the capital of northeast China’s Heilongjiang Province.

The train was named after Chairman Mao so that its passengers would remember Mao’s struggle to rejuvenate the Chinese nation after the War of Liberation.

 

[Jlaw]

You are the most sceptical type of Viet I ever seen. If every Viet had been like you, I guess your country would not be the backward third world hole it is today.

Or maybe the Viet is critical only of others' actions while ignoring their own demeaning conditions.
***

In the meantime in China...

Attention passengers, "Mao Zedong" is leaving the station!

A ‪#‎train‬ named after ‪#‎China‬’s late Chairman Mao Zedong was recently spotted at ‪#‎Beijing‬’s West Railway Station.

The train is expected to unswervingly follow a route that takes passengers from Beijing down to Fuyang city, Anhui Province.

The 68-year-old broken-down cargo train was brought back to life and repurposed for passenger use through the efforts of workers in Harbin, the capital of northeast China’s Heilongjiang Province.

The train was named after Chairman Mao so that its passengers would remember Mao’s struggle to rejuvenate the Chinese nation after the War of Liberation.

Viets are chimps. Unless trolling them it's a waste to teach them. our ancestors tried, it didn't work. I really don't give a flying bleep about viets.
i like the imperial japs , indian dalits more than chimp viets, lol. That's the truth.

 

[cirr]

01.07.2014 Train D628 is about to depart from Chengdu to Shanghai on 2078km of high-speed dedicated passenger line）：

 

[Jlaw]

01.07.2014 Train D628 is about to depart from Chengdu to Shanghai on 2264km of high-speed dedicated passenger line）：

Attendants are much better than viet chimp women.

 

[steelseries779]

Attendants are much better than viet chimp women.

I don't even bother to do this comparison.