China’s birth rate drops to record low

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China’s birth rate drops to record low
Latest data comes as government implores people to have more childnen after decades of doing the opposite.

Mainland China's birthrate dropped to a record low in 2021 [File: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg]
Published On 17 Jan 202217 Jan 2022
Mainland China’s birth rate dropped to a record low of 7.52 per 1,000 people in 2021, National Bureau of Statistics data showed on Monday, accelerating a downward trend that led Beijing last year to begin allowing couples to have up to three children.
China scrapped its decades-old one-child policy in 2016, replacing it with a two-child limit to try and counter a rapidly ageing population, but many couples do not want to have more children because of the high cost of urban living.
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The birth rate was the lowest since 1949 when the statistics bureau began collating the data.
The natural growth rate of China’s population, which excludes migration, was only 0.034 percent for 2021, the lowest since 1960.

“The demographic challenge is well known but the speed of population ageing is clearly faster than expected,” said Zhiwei Zhang, chief economist at Pinpoint Asset management.
“This suggests China’s total population may have reached its peak in 2021. It also indicates China’s potential growth is likely slowing faster than expected,” Zhang said.
There were 10.62 million births in 2021, the data showed, compared with 12 million in 2020.
The birth rate in 2020 was 8.52 births per 1,000 people.

China’s birth rate drops to record low

Latest data comes as government implores people to have more childnen after decades of doing the opposite.

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[nang2]

Great new! Hope one day, most Chinese family will live in a house that has dirty underneath, instead of in high rising steel cages.

 

[dani191]

Great new! Hope one day, most Chinese family will live in a house that has dirty underneath, instead of in high rising steel cages.

its good news?

 

[nang2]

its good news?

Why not? I never liked crowds anyway and people need more space to have more comfortable lives. Unless you encourage China to get more space for its people by conquering other lands, reducing its population is probably a better way to achieve that.

 

[srshkmr]

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Why not? I never liked crowds anyway and people need more space to have more comfortable lives. Unless you encourage China to get more space for its people by conquering other lands, reducing its population is probably a better way to achieve that.

Colonize mars?

 

[RealNapster]

Why not? I never liked crowds anyway and people need more space to have more comfortable lives. Unless you encourage China to get more space for its people by conquering other lands, reducing its population is probably a better way to achieve that.

You must be kidding.

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The Heihe–Tengchong Line, also called the Aihui-Tengchong Line, is an imaginary line that divides the area of China into two parts with contrasting population d...

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[RealNapster]

Pakistanis should follow China

As we keep hearing on this forum that "China is doomed due to its bad 1 child policy". You want us to be doomed too ? Our population growth per year is 2%, India have less then 1% (0.98 something). Our population will see its peak around 2080 after which our population will start declining. These are all just predictions. But I am sure the deviation will not be more then +-10 years.

Our problem isn't too much population. We are bad at Utilizing our population while providing basic services to them. We will have to work on the following to prevent us from the doom caused by over population.

1. Vertical sprawl instead of traditional horizontal one.

2. Vertical farming.

3. Incorporating technologies in agriculture to increase production

4. Building lots of dams which will not only store water for agriculture sector but will also ensure water reserves in case of droughts. It reservoirs also help providing water to those lands which were previously not connected to canal systems hence increasing agricultural land.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Great new! Hope one day, most Chinese family will live in a house that has dirty underneath, instead of in high rising steel cages.

This will never happen. There is not enough money or resources to do this for the market. Land prices are sky high because of natural demand.

My personal opinion is that I don't like dirt anywhere near me. Stainless steel and concrete is the best look. I actually just had my bathroom remodeled into a concrete + stainless look. Traditional bathroom looks like some super cheap post WW2 shack from the 1950s.

 

[ziaulislam]

As we keep hearing on this forum that "China is doomed due to its bad 1 child policy". You want us to be doomed too ? Our population growth per year is 2%, India have less then 1% (0.98 something). Our population will see its peak around 2080 after which our population will start declining. These are all just predictions. But I am sure the deviation will not be more then +-10 years.

Our problem isn't too much population. We are bad at Utilizing our population while providing basic services to them. We will have to work on the following to prevent us from the doom caused by over population.

1. Vertical sprawl instead of traditional horizontal one.

2. Vertical farming.

3. Incorporating technologies in agriculture to increase production

4. Building lots of dams which will not only store water for agriculture sector but will also ensure water reserves in case of droughts. It reservoirs also help providing water to those lands which were previously not connected to canal systems hence increasing agricultural land.

Whole balochistan is empty
California produces 10x productivity of pakistan with 48MAF of water(with 1/3 coming from desalination)
Pakistan annual water in rivers is almost 140MAF

When chinese saw our flood irrigation their response was "what the ****..!"

 

[nang2]

You must be kidding.

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You are surely joking. You want Chinese to live in deserts and barren mountains?

This will never happen. There is not enough money or resources to do this for the market. Land prices are sky high because of natural demand.

My personal opinion is that I don't like dirt anywhere near me. Stainless steel and concrete is the best look. I actually just had my bathroom remodeled into a concrete + stainless look. Traditional bathroom looks like some super cheap post WW2 shack from the 1950s.

I like dirt. It fosters lives. It is very relaxing to see the changes in a garden after work. That is the power of life manifesting right in front of you.

You may not like dirt but your life depends on it. Try to grow something in concrete and you will see what I mean.

 

[MH.Yang]

Pakistanis should follow China

I think you're kidding. The Chinese have fallen into the hole, and the Pakistanis should avoid making the same mistakes as us.

 

[tower9]

I think you're kidding. The Chinese have fallen into the hole, and the Pakistanis should avoid making the same mistakes as us.

Don't worry, no other country is dumb enough to enforce a one child policy for 36 years.

 

[RealNapster]

You are surely joking. You want Chinese to live in deserts and barren mountains

You want Chinese to live on foreign occupied lands ?

Btw whole of ME lives in desserts while whole of Bhutan and Nepal lives on mountains.

 

[kankan326]

I think you're kidding. The Chinese have fallen into the hole, and the Pakistanis should avoid making the same mistakes as us.

Don't worry, no other country is dumb enough to enforce a one child policy for 36 years.

China needs big population because China is world factory and wants to cover every field of all known industries. Other countries are different. They don't need so many people because they don't have so many industries to sustain employment.

One child policy was right if China hadn't become world factory. Which was never expected by Chinese leaders even in their wildest imagination.

 

[serenity]

A lot of that west of HT line is uninhabitable but also huge lands that are habitable. It is just about developing it and integrating it with the rest where the industry and economy is.

This is how much potential China has. China is only about 25% as productive as Japan or USA per capita. Many of this is elderly people who are near or post retirement. Okay but even if we adjust for that population change in 20 years time and adjust for RMB devaluing on purpose, China is maybe $40,000 USD GDP per capita and GNP way is even better. It is on paper around $10,000 USD per capita now because RMB is so devalued and if representing true value which is at least double (as US prefers) then that's immediately similar to doubling GDP but huge negative implications for economy and cannot be sustained with the same level of GDP afterwards due to slow down in exports.

Nearly half of China is elderly aged of after 60 years old and before working age. Another doubling hence my $40,000USD. This is still lower than Japan and USA average (since industry capacity does skew average to much higher than median). So now in around 2022 the working Chinese class is only maybe 70% as productive as Japanese or American. This should change as Chinese are no less hard working and clearly no less intelligent given how much of those Chinese are contributing to US economy and technology sector. Even in China this is abundantly clear for over 10 years but the proof is only slightly more clear if a person can see beyond stupid online troll talk like China sucks and the typical propaganda.

So if China reaches 100% similar capacity as developed countries, and then at that level it has superior infrastructure than the US, it allows people to be even more productive. It hopefully will have superior purchasing power and then to make use of all that potential development which can expand the population again.

Create wealth and then expand population only after. Shrink population to make better use of limited wealth. Otherwise would be like an India with little wealth to spend on many people. To ask these people to then also be as competitive as developed countries in high value sectors and technology is simply impossible.

The worry is that China's population decline and fertility rate is too slow too quickly and the demographic change is too dramatic rather than a slowed shrink and a slowed increase.