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It has been more than twenty years since the U.S. Navy had a major naval vessel asa target in the event of war. In the 1970s and 1980s the Soviet Navy produced a series of major surface combatants to tempt the U.S. Navy. There were large destroyers, a number of cruiser classes and even the Kirov class of nuclear-powered battlecruisers. Then there were several helicopter and aircraft carriers of the Moskva, Kievand Tbilisi/Admiral Kuznetsov classes. At its peak, the Soviet Navy deployed more than sixty large surface combatants. Today that number has been reduced to around 28 large surface combatants with no aircraft carriers.
Now China is kindly offering the U.S. Navy the opportunityto practice at least some elements of a fleet-on-fleet engagement. According to reports from WestPAC, Chinawill send its first aircraft carrier out for sea trials next week. It is also an old ship, the Soviet-era Varyag which was under construction when the "Evil Empire" collapsed twenty years ago.
It sat partly completed at dockside for years before the PLA Navy made a bid for it. There it sat for additional years as the original construction yard hunted high and low for the construction plans and Beijing and Moscow dickered over price and who would dothe remaining work to finish out the vessel. Finally, in 2000 it was towed to the Chinese port of Dalian where it has been undergoing reconstruction and outfitting ever since.
Apparently, the ex-Varyag, now reportedly named the Shi Lang, is ready for its coming out party. The Chinese carrier is a big ship,over 900 feet. It will deploy with conventional take-off and landing aircraft. The main candidate for this role is the J-15, modeled on the Russian Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-based fighter. The J-15 may also include avionics and equipment from the J-11B multirole fighter program, which is based on Russia's Su-27 fighter. In addition there are reports that China is developing the J-18 Red Eagle vertical/short-takeoff-and-landing (VSTOL) fighter. Less clear is what the PLA is doing to develop the kind of support aircraft that are required in order to conduct competent air operations.
It appears that the PLA did not just buy an ex-Soviet era aircraft carrier but, moresignificantly, it has bought into a Soviet era vision of a rising world power requiring a blue water Navy. In the process, the Soviet Union wasted enormous resources creating naval forces that were virtually irrelevant both politically and militarily. China, like the Soviet Union/Russia is a continental power. Even with a growing economy Beijing will not havethe resources to build both effective land and air force and a blue water navy.
Moreover, deploying an aircraft carrier even with a complement of strike aircraft is not the same thing as having an operationally effective carrier strike group. The PLA Navy will have to develop the capability to provide 360 degree air and missile defense, fleet ASW, underway replenishment and air/sea coordination. Where is the Chinese navy equivalent of the Aegis air/missile defense system, E-2D airborne surveillance and C2 or the Los Angeles class SSN?
The reality is that the U.S. Navy should welcome the Chinese effort to create its own blue water navy. The U.S. Navy has a seventy year history of being able to engage and destroy hostile surface fleets. The name Shi Lang could also be translatedas "big fat target".
 
只是一艘隶属海监的船而已。纯粹是废物利用。美国人就是会联想,居然航母都叫出来了。
 
只是一艘隶属海监的船而已。纯粹是废物利用。美国人就是会联想,居然航母都叫出来了。

English only, plz.
 
It has been more than twenty years since the U.S. Navy had a major naval vessel asa target in the event of war. In the 1970s and 1980s the Soviet Navy produced a series of major surface combatants to tempt the U.S. Navy. There were large destroyers, a number of cruiser classes and even the Kirov class of nuclear-powered battlecruisers. Then there were several helicopter and aircraft carriers of the Moskva, Kievand Tbilisi/Admiral Kuznetsov classes. At its peak, the Soviet Navy deployed more than sixty large surface combatants. Today that number has been reduced to around 28 large surface combatants with no aircraft carriers.
Now China is kindly offering the U.S. Navy the opportunityto practice at least some elements of a fleet-on-fleet engagement. According to reports from WestPAC, Chinawill send its first aircraft carrier out for sea trials next week. It is also an old ship, the Soviet-era Varyag which was under construction when the "Evil Empire" collapsed twenty years ago.
It sat partly completed at dockside for years before the PLA Navy made a bid for it. There it sat for additional years as the original construction yard hunted high and low for the construction plans and Beijing and Moscow dickered over price and who would dothe remaining work to finish out the vessel. Finally, in 2000 it was towed to the Chinese port of Dalian where it has been undergoing reconstruction and outfitting ever since.
Apparently, the ex-Varyag, now reportedly named the Shi Lang, is ready for its coming out party. The Chinese carrier is a big ship,over 900 feet. It will deploy with conventional take-off and landing aircraft. The main candidate for this role is the J-15, modeled on the Russian Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-based fighter. The J-15 may also include avionics and equipment from the J-11B multirole fighter program, which is based on Russia's Su-27 fighter. In addition there are reports that China is developing the J-18 Red Eagle vertical/short-takeoff-and-landing (VSTOL) fighter. Less clear is what the PLA is doing to develop the kind of support aircraft that are required in order to conduct competent air operations.
It appears that the PLA did not just buy an ex-Soviet era aircraft carrier but, moresignificantly, it has bought into a Soviet era vision of a rising world power requiring a blue water Navy. In the process, the Soviet Union wasted enormous resources creating naval forces that were virtually irrelevant both politically and militarily. China, like the Soviet Union/Russia is a continental power. Even with a growing economy Beijing will not havethe resources to build both effective land and air force and a blue water navy.
Moreover, deploying an aircraft carrier even with a complement of strike aircraft is not the same thing as having an operationally effective carrier strike group. The PLA Navy will have to develop the capability to provide 360 degree air and missile defense, fleet ASW, underway replenishment and air/sea coordination. Where is the Chinese navy equivalent of the Aegis air/missile defense system, E-2D airborne surveillance and C2 or the Los Angeles class SSN?
The reality is that the U.S. Navy should welcome the Chinese effort to create its own blue water navy. The U.S. Navy has a seventy year history of being able to engage and destroy hostile surface fleets. The name Shi Lang could also be translatedas "big fat target".

Is the above from some source or written by you, NAV? It is full of holes. First it said there is no large target to US Navy, then it said there are 26 large surface combatans with no aircraft carriers.

Russian Navy has an aircraft carrier though it is under major refit.

And many of the content are just speculations including the name Shi Lang and J-18.
 
Then I guess the entire US Navy would be "bigger jucier targets" for the DF-21D.

if it lives up to its hype.

but then god help you guys if you ever attack and sink an US aircraft carrier- you know those pesky other ' 20 years ahead' tech we have -- they will be unleashed ... NATO will join is- who do you have? North Korea, Iran and Pakistan? or wait - don't forget Sudan :rofl:
 
if it lives up to its hype.

but then god help you guys if you ever attack and sink an US aircraft carrier- you know those pesky other ' 20 years ahead' tech we have -- they will be unleashed ... NATO will join is- who do you have? North Korea, Iran and Pakistan? or wait - don't forget Sudan :rofl:

Yeah, you know what happens if we sink 1 aircraft carrier with a DF-21?

We will continue to sink all 11. And the 10 amphibious attack groups.

And if the US doesn't like it, its welcome to fight a nuclear war in which the US will lose at least 90% of its population and 99% of its industry, not to mention the vanishing of US allies South Korea and Japan from the globe. And maybe a few IRBMs for India too, to put the 400 million poverty stricken masses out of their misery.
 
Is the above from some source or written by you, NAV? It is full of holes. First it said there is no large target to US Navy, then it said there are 26 large surface combatans with no aircraft carriers.

Russian Navy has an aircraft carrier though it is under major refit.

And many of the content are just speculations including the name Shi Lang and J-18.

link..
defence.professionals | defpro.com
 
Yeah, you know what happens if we sink 1 aircraft carrier with a DF-21?

We will continue to sink all 11. And the 10 amphibious attack groups.

And if the US doesn't like it, its welcome to fight a nuclear war in which the US will lose at least 90% of its population and 99% of its industry, not to mention the vanishing of US allies South Korea and Japan from the globe. And maybe a few IRBMs for India too, to put the 400 million poverty stricken masses out of their misery.


WOW! Hitler born again? Hope you have the Somalis by your side, Generall-Marschall. :rofl:
 
Yeah, you know what happens if we sink 1 aircraft carrier with a DF-21?

We will continue to sink all 11. And the 10 amphibious attack groups.

And if the US doesn't like it, its welcome to fight a nuclear war in which the US will lose at least 90% of its population and 99% of its industry, not to mention the vanishing of US allies South Korea and Japan from the globe. And maybe a few IRBMs for India too, to put the 400 million poverty stricken masses out of their misery.

The few nukes you manage to launch would be painful...but China would cease to exist.
 
:woot:
Yeah, you know what happens if we sink 1 aircraft carrier with a DF-21?

We will continue to sink all 11. And the 10 amphibious attack groups.

And if the US doesn't like it, its welcome to fight a nuclear war in which the US will lose at least 90% of its population and 99% of its industry, not to mention the vanishing of US allies South Korea and Japan from the globe. And maybe a few IRBMs for India too, to put the 400 million poverty stricken masses out of their misery.

Cute cheerleading pipe dream- Even your own military does not believe your hype- hell -no military analyst in world does- ... now that is telling. ...they again you may have those floating aircraft carriers to help you out :D

You are surounded and will have to deal with a two front war because of the US and NATO attacking from all quarters... sinking of a US carrier will be doomsday for china and thats all of that.
 
if it lives up to its hype.

but then god help you guys if you ever attack and sink an US aircraft carrier- you know those pesky other ' 20 years ahead' tech we have -- they will be unleashed ... NATO will join is- who do you have? North Korea, Iran and Pakistan? or wait - don't forget Sudan :rofl:

china's policey isn't aggression they r more willing to defend their soil. So in any war scenario between china and Usa it will cause a world war III. There will be a Nuclear winter on the earth...
 
The few nukes you manage to launch would be painful...but China would cease to exist.
If by few you mean several hundreds, yes we have few enough to ensure MAD.
 
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