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China’s atrocities in Tibet are growing too big to ignore

The Whole World ( US, UK, Turkey, France etc ) talks about Xinjinang and the "Islamic" republic of Pakistan remains silent
Let me put it this way so even likes of you understand, first of all the definition of whole world for India usually starts and ends with countries like US and France alone, for us that is not the case neither is for China. Secondly earlier you mentioned about politics being played while selectively ignoring the same being played by the West. While India and Israel both get a free pass from both US and France, on the other hand they have such caring hearts to care for the plight of Uighurs.
Thirdly when Pakistan takes a firm stand on Kashmir, its not because of our dual standard but because of its disputed status between India, Pakistan and Kashmiris, under the resolutions of the UN, recognized by the world.
 
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Its for Pakistan to Answer. Not India. If you want to be taken seriously, stop your double standard. Its already hitting you hard fom inisde. Even Turkey is far better when it comes to stand over Muslims atleast they critisize India and China Together.

But Where is Pakistan ?

If you stand for Muslims, stand for Muslims in China , India together. Else Stop sheading crocodile tears, its Pure politics and thats exactly what it is.

The question is how come RSS cowpiss stinking rats are standing up for muslims??? U kill muslims in india and kashmir and then cry for muslims in china? If u want to be taken seriously, stop ur double standards and hypocrisy. No one takes u ppl seriously after all ur disinfo crap is exposed.
 
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China’s atrocities in Tibet are growing too big to ignore
Paramilitary police officers swap positions during a change of guard in front of the Potala Palace in Lhasa, Tibert, in October.

Paramilitary police officers swap positions during a change of guard in front of the Potala Palace in Lhasa, Tibert, in October. (Thomas Peter/Reuters)

Opinion by
Josh Rogin
Columnist
Dec. 25, 2020 at 3:59 a.m. GMT+5:30
The world is finally responding to the Chinese government’s mass atrocities against Uighurs and other ethnic minorities in China’s northwest province of Xinjiang. But now Beijing is replicating some of its worst practices — including rounding up hundreds of thousands of innocent people in military-style reeducation camps — in other parts of China. This year, Beijing built and filled massive camps in Tibet, which had been the original testing ground for cultural genocide, political indoctrination and forced labor. Tibetan leaders are pleading for the world to pay attention.

“When it comes to human rights violations in China, Tibet was Patient Zero,” Lobsang Sangay, the president of the Tibetan government in exile, known as the Central Tibetan Administration, told me during a visit to Washington last week. “Xi Jinping is now reintroducing labor camps back into Tibet . . . what’s new is the speed and the scale of it and the military style that they are bringing to it.”
Beijing has forced more than half a million rural Tibetans into these military-style training and indoctrination facilities in just the past six months, Sangay said. Upon their release, thousands of rural laborers are sent to perform factory work or menial jobs in other parts of China, all under the guise of “poverty alleviation,” according to a September report by the Jamestown Foundation. Corroborating documents obtained by Reuters showed that Chinese Communist Party officials were given strict quotas for how many Tibetans to round up.
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The Biden administration has to thread a tricky needle if it wants to pivot from President Trump’s aggressive approach to China. (The Washington Post)
While Beijing has long operated gulags for political prisoners and dissidents in Tibet, these new facilities represent a huge expansion of China’s years-long program to involuntarily mass relocate rural Tibetans, which Human Rights Watch in 2013 called “unprecedented in the post-Mao era.” The goal of these camps is threefold, according to Sangay: Beijing wants to appropriate Tibetan land to commercialize its natural resources; the CCP uses the camps to forcibly assimilate Tibetans by snuffing out their culture, language and religion; and the third goal, using Tibetans as cheap forced labor, serves the first two.

“ ‘Poverty alleviation’ for us means cultural assimilation,” Sangay said. “In that sense, they want to take away our faith and erase the history of Tibet.”

Sangay came to Washington to support the Tibetan Policy and Support Act, which Congress passed as part of the omnibus spending bill. The legislation is meant to ensure the Biden administration doesn’t turn away from yet another Chinese government campaign of cultural genocide through forced assimilation and political indoctrination.

The legislation expresses support for the idea that Tibetan Buddhists, not the CCP, should determine the identity of the 15th incarnation of the Dalai Lama after the current Dalai Lama exits this world. The fact that Beijing plans to foist on Tibetans an imposter Dalai Lama tells you everything you need to know about how it views their right to worship.
Perhaps more importantly, the law updates the original Tibetan Policy Act of 2002 to call on Beijing to negotiate directly with the Tibetan government in exile based in Dharamsala, India, toward what the Dalai Lama calls the “Middle Way Approach” — a compromise to give Tibetans limited autonomy within the Chinese system. It also calls on the U.S. government (soon to be the Biden administration) to sanction CCP officials guilty of human rights violations in Tibet and establish a U.S. consulate in Lhasa, the administrative capital of Tibet.
Predictably, the Chinese Foreign Ministry reacted to the legislation by demanding the United States shut up about Tibet, “lest it further harms our further cooperation and bilateral relations.” Beijing is trying to see if the Biden team will fall into the same trap President Barack Obama did in his first year. In 2009, Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett traveled to Dharamsala and told the Dalai Lama that he would not be invited to the White House in Obama’s first year. When he did eventually visit, Obama tried to please Beijing by downgrading the meeting from the Oval Office to the Map Room and ushering His Holiness out the back door, where he was photographed walking past heaps of trash.
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But Beijing did not reward Obama’s deference. Once Chinese leaders realized the United States was willing to downgrade the Tibet issue, they cut off talks with the Tibetan leadership and ramped up their repression campaign. President Trump never even bothered to meet with the Dalai Lama. Biden must establish early on that he won’t trade Tibetans’ futures for the false promise of smooth relations.
Some of Biden’s advisers will surely tell him Tibet is just one more uncomfortable issue to be avoided in his effort to manage a complex and already rocky U.S.-China relationship. But ignoring Tibet helped embolden Beijing to expand its repression scheme to Xinjiang in the first place. That sickness is still spreading. Biden must not allow it to further metastasize.


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China’s atrocities in Tibet are growing too big to ignore
Paramilitary police officers swap positions during a change of guard in front of the Potala Palace in Lhasa, Tibert, in October.

Paramilitary police officers swap positions during a change of guard in front of the Potala Palace in Lhasa, Tibert, in October. (Thomas Peter/Reuters)

Opinion by
Josh Rogin
Columnist
Dec. 25, 2020 at 3:59 a.m. GMT+5:30
The world is finally responding to the Chinese government’s mass atrocities against Uighurs and other ethnic minorities in China’s northwest province of Xinjiang. But now Beijing is replicating some of its worst practices — including rounding up hundreds of thousands of innocent people in military-style reeducation camps — in other parts of China. This year, Beijing built and filled massive camps in Tibet, which had been the original testing ground for cultural genocide, political indoctrination and forced labor. Tibetan leaders are pleading for the world to pay attention.

“When it comes to human rights violations in China, Tibet was Patient Zero,” Lobsang Sangay, the president of the Tibetan government in exile, known as the Central Tibetan Administration, told me during a visit to Washington last week. “Xi Jinping is now reintroducing labor camps back into Tibet . . . what’s new is the speed and the scale of it and the military style that they are bringing to it.”
Beijing has forced more than half a million rural Tibetans into these military-style training and indoctrination facilities in just the past six months, Sangay said. Upon their release, thousands of rural laborers are sent to perform factory work or menial jobs in other parts of China, all under the guise of “poverty alleviation,” according to a September report by the Jamestown Foundation. Corroborating documents obtained by Reuters showed that Chinese Communist Party officials were given strict quotas for how many Tibetans to round up.
AD















The Biden administration has to thread a tricky needle if it wants to pivot from President Trump’s aggressive approach to China. (The Washington Post)
While Beijing has long operated gulags for political prisoners and dissidents in Tibet, these new facilities represent a huge expansion of China’s years-long program to involuntarily mass relocate rural Tibetans, which Human Rights Watch in 2013 called “unprecedented in the post-Mao era.” The goal of these camps is threefold, according to Sangay: Beijing wants to appropriate Tibetan land to commercialize its natural resources; the CCP uses the camps to forcibly assimilate Tibetans by snuffing out their culture, language and religion; and the third goal, using Tibetans as cheap forced labor, serves the first two.

“ ‘Poverty alleviation’ for us means cultural assimilation,” Sangay said. “In that sense, they want to take away our faith and erase the history of Tibet.”

Sangay came to Washington to support the Tibetan Policy and Support Act, which Congress passed as part of the omnibus spending bill. The legislation is meant to ensure the Biden administration doesn’t turn away from yet another Chinese government campaign of cultural genocide through forced assimilation and political indoctrination.

The legislation expresses support for the idea that Tibetan Buddhists, not the CCP, should determine the identity of the 15th incarnation of the Dalai Lama after the current Dalai Lama exits this world. The fact that Beijing plans to foist on Tibetans an imposter Dalai Lama tells you everything you need to know about how it views their right to worship.
Perhaps more importantly, the law updates the original Tibetan Policy Act of 2002 to call on Beijing to negotiate directly with the Tibetan government in exile based in Dharamsala, India, toward what the Dalai Lama calls the “Middle Way Approach” — a compromise to give Tibetans limited autonomy within the Chinese system. It also calls on the U.S. government (soon to be the Biden administration) to sanction CCP officials guilty of human rights violations in Tibet and establish a U.S. consulate in Lhasa, the administrative capital of Tibet.
Predictably, the Chinese Foreign Ministry reacted to the legislation by demanding the United States shut up about Tibet, “lest it further harms our further cooperation and bilateral relations.” Beijing is trying to see if the Biden team will fall into the same trap President Barack Obama did in his first year. In 2009, Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett traveled to Dharamsala and told the Dalai Lama that he would not be invited to the White House in Obama’s first year. When he did eventually visit, Obama tried to please Beijing by downgrading the meeting from the Oval Office to the Map Room and ushering His Holiness out the back door, where he was photographed walking past heaps of trash.
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But Beijing did not reward Obama’s deference. Once Chinese leaders realized the United States was willing to downgrade the Tibet issue, they cut off talks with the Tibetan leadership and ramped up their repression campaign. President Trump never even bothered to meet with the Dalai Lama. Biden must establish early on that he won’t trade Tibetans’ futures for the false promise of smooth relations.
Some of Biden’s advisers will surely tell him Tibet is just one more uncomfortable issue to be avoided in his effort to manage a complex and already rocky U.S.-China relationship. But ignoring Tibet helped embolden Beijing to expand its repression scheme to Xinjiang in the first place. That sickness is still spreading. Biden must not allow it to further metastasize.


Read more from Josh Rogin’s archive, follow him on Twitter or subscribe to his updates on Facebook.

If given a choice, I believe 99% percent of Indian would choose to live with "atrocities" in China (or whatever words you want to use: genocide, killing, murder, ...) than living in the democracy paradise called India.

Please stop your propaganda. We (you and I and most members in this forum, including Indian members) have seen these in last 10 - 20 years, in a desperate attempt by the West and their puppets to counter China's ascendance. Most, if not all, are not true.
 
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@Chanakyaa, I am not an admirer of China's current system which is not Communist largely but before Mao's troops went into Tibet in 1959 Tibet wasn't some harmonious, idyllic welfare state. It was a brutal feudalist system. I will copy-paste from my post :

My point was that Tibet before Mao's troops entered was a feudal society with cruelties like how in India we had the zamindari system with oppressed peasants. Tibet was a version of Naxalbari. This article speaks the truth about Tibet before 1959 :
Tibet seems like as a celestial paradise held in chains, but the west's tendency to romanticise the country's Buddhist culture has distorted our view. Popular belief is that under the Dalai Lama, Tibetans lived contentedly in a spiritual non-violent culture, uncorrupted by lust or greed: but in reality society was far more brutal than that vision.

Last December, Ye Xiaowen, head of China's administration for religious affairs, published a piece in the state-run China Daily newspaper that, although propaganda, rings true. "History clearly reveals that the old Tibet was not the Shangri-La that many imagine", he wrote "but a society under a system of feudal serfdom."

Until 1959, when China cracked down on Tibetan rebels and the Dalai Lama fled to northern India, around 98% of the population was enslaved in serfdom. Drepung monastery, on the outskirts of Lhasa, was one of the world's largest landowners with 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. High-ranking lamas and secular landowners imposed crippling taxes, forced boys into monastic slavery and pilfered most of the country's wealth – torturing disobedient serfs by gouging out their eyes or severing their hamstrings.

Tashi Tsering, now an English professor at Lhasa University is representative of Tibetans that do not see China's occupation as worse tyranny. He was taken from his family near Drepung at 13 and forced into the Dalai Lama's personal dance troupe. Beaten by his teachers, Tsering put up with rape by a well-connected monk in exchange for protection. In his autobiography, The Struggle for Modern Tibet, Tsering writes that China brought long-awaited hope when is laid claim to Tibet in 1950.

After studying at the University of Washington, Tsering returned to Chinese-occupied Tibet in 1964, convinced that the country could modernise effectively by cooperating with the Chinese. Denounced during the Cultural Revolution, arrested in 1967 to spend six years in prison and labour camps, he still maintains that Mao Tse-Tung liberated his people.

Caught between a system reminiscent of medieval Europe and a colonial force that brought forced collectivisation and similar human rights abuses, Tibet moved from one oppressive regime to another.

During the 1990s, Tibetans suspected of harbouring nationalist tendencies were arrested and imprisoned and in 2006, Romanian climbers witnessed Chinese guards shooting a group of refugees headed for the Nepalese border. China's abhorrent treatment of "political subversives" has rightly spurned a global Free Tibetmovement, diminishing the benefits that it did bring to society.

After 1959, it abolished slavery, serfdom and unfair taxes. Creating thousands of jobs through new infrastructure projects, it built Tibet's first hospitals and opened schools in every major village, bringing education to the masses. Clean water was pumped into the main towns and villages and the average life expectancy has almost doubled since 1950, to 60.

Even so, in 2001 the Dalai Lama said: "Tibet, materially, is very, very backward. Spiritually it is quite rich. But spirituality can't fill our stomachs."

Freedom for Tibet is not simply a case of liberation from China and the reinstatement of traditional values. Around 70 per cent of the population lives below the poverty line and enhanced spirituality alone will not improve economic conditions. Poverty is not quaint no matter how colourful the culture and the Tibet question is one that should be addressed from a rational, rather than an idealised viewpoint.

Nearby Bhutan, which has a similar Buddhist culture that it tried to preserve by banning television until 1999 and limiting foreign visitors, only held its first democratic elections in 2007. The Dalai Lama now promotes democracy, but Tibet may well have looked worse than it does today if the old order had been left to its own devices.

That "Tibetan government in exile" aka Central Tibetan Administration quoted in the OP is as illegitimate as the NTC in case of Libya and the SNC in case of Syria. All three groups being puppets of Western intelligence agencies.
 
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Wait, so they actually willfully ignored their own propaganda lies about China all this time? 😂
 
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Humanity above politics. Thats the need of the hour.
China should open Tibet and Xinjiang to foreigners without restrictions. Let them form their opinions freely by interacting with the these autonomous people.
If they are happy with the communist rule, so be it. Else the UN should broker a self rule in these two regions.
No people in the 21st century should be forced to live under the gun and denied practicing their beliefs.
 
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Its for Pakistan to Answer. Not India. If you want to be taken seriously, stop your double standard. Its already hitting you hard fom inisde. Even Turkey is far better when it comes to stand over Muslims atleast they critisize India and China Together.

But Where is Pakistan ?

If you stand for Muslims, stand for Muslims in China , India together. Else Stop sheading crocodile tears, its Pure politics and thats exactly what it is.

hey welcome back chankia, happy new year buddy!

so I agree with you Indian atrocities against Muslims are unspeakable and the fake propaganda by India about Chinese muslims being treated badly is Fake. See even the mongols treated Muslims well and themselves became Muslims. While raja dahir conducted piracy operations against muslims eventually allowing India and her people to enjoy true freedom under Muslim rule for a 1000. Years if Muslim rule was so bad how did they survive for a 1000 years and was overthrown by an outside power the west! So I understand india and Indians need to go back to the golden era of Muslim leadership. inshallah soon because of the great work of our agent Modi we will liberate India again and end the cast system and bring happiness, equality and freedom to India under Pakistani Muslim rule!

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Hopefully in 30 years average Indians can enjoy the standard of living which Tibetans enjoy now in China.

No Indian wants to be Jack Ma, a Billionaire but a Prisoner of State. Not in the next 10,000 Years !
 
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No Im not diverting at all. What Im saying is, Dont throw stones when you have a Glass house.
if you want to be taken seriously, Act like Turkey, Blame Indian & CHINA Together. Else, we know all your crocodile tears are just for Politics.

And since 50s ?

Kid, Go read what was Kashmir before 1980. Its Your Army and "Freedom fighters" who made its a mess using "Assyemtric Warfare". Well done.
Same can be Said about you? How are we to take you seriously when you're yourself preparator of a genocide?
 
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Humanity above politics. Thats the need of the hour.
China should open Tibet and Xinjiang to foreigners without restrictions. Let them form their opinions freely by interacting with the these autonomous people.
If they are happy with the communist rule, so be it. Else the UN should broker a self rule in these two regions.
No people in the 21st century should be forced to live under the gun and denied practicing their beliefs.

Why should we do anything of the sort? And how will you enforce it?
 
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No Indian wants to be Jack Ma, a Billionaire but a Prisoner of State. Not in the next 10,000 Years !
Who told you Jack Ma is a prisoner of state? you don't even want to be Jack Ma? while you indians' human development index is near the bottom of the world, LOL..., the whole world laughs their head off.
 
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