China's 1st jumbo jet to take off in 8 yrs

[Hasnain2009]

BEIJING -- China has named its first home-made jumbo jet C919, which will take off in around eight years, its chief designer Wu Guanghui said on Friday.

"C represents China as well as COMAC, the abbreviation for Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd," said Wu, who is also the deputy general manager of COMAC, the manufacturer of C919.

"The name also reflects our determination to compete in the international market for jumbo jet. C919 comes after Airbus and Boeing, so you will have ABC in the aviation industry," said Wu, a political advisor who is here attending the annual session of 11th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.

The first 9 in the name implies forever in Chinese culture, while 19 means the first jumbo jet produced by China will have 190 seats, he said.


Wu said that his company will choose suppliers of engines, airborne equipment, and materials through international bidding, and will encourage foreign suppliers to enter into partnership with Chinese manufacturers.

"We will choose foreign-manufactured products like engines at the beginning phase, but we will also independently do the research and manufacturing work at the same time," noted Wu.

The Shanghai-based COMAC was set up in May, 2008 after approval in early 2007 by the State Council, China's Cabinet. It has a registered capital of 19 billion yuan ($2.78 billion), with the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission as the biggest shareholder.

Wu said the jumbo jet project now involves 47 institutions from China and abroad, and that the preliminary general technical design plan and commercial feasibility study have been completed.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-03/06/content_7549092.htm

 

[Hasnain2009]

China's jumbo passenger aircraft company established in Shanghai ​

SHANGHAI, May 11 (Xinhua) -- China's first ever jumbo passenger aircraft company, which was a major part of the nation's large jet program, was officially inaugurated in Shanghai on Sunday.

Vice Premier Zhang Dejiang said at the inauguration ceremony that the large jet program was of significance to improve China's independent innovation capabilities and to meet the rapidly expanding civil aviation market at home.

Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Dejiang (L) and Shanghai Party Chief Yu Zhengsheng (R) unveil the plaque for China's first ever jumbo passenger aircraft company at the inauguration ceremony in Shanghai, east China, May 11, 2008. China's first ever jumbo passenger aircraft company, which was a major part of the nation's large jet program, was officially inaugurated in Shanghai on Sunday


For the program, China should actively import sophisticated technologies, and at the same time, make breakthroughs in core technologies and achieve related independent intellectual property rights, according to Zhang.

The newly established company, named Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China Ltd. (CACC), will be responsible for researching, developing, manufacturing and marketing the homegrown large passenger aircraft.

Domestic airline companies, foreign suppliers, and representatives from international aviation producers including Boeing and Airbus attended the inauguration ceremony.

The CACC has a registered capital of 19 billion yuan (2.7 billion U.S. dollars). The State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission alone invested 6 billion yuan, becoming the biggest shareholder.



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The inauguration ceremony of China's first ever jumbo passenger aircraft company is held in Shanghai, east China, May 11, 2008.

Shareholders of the new company also include China Aviation Industry Corporation I (AVIC I), the country's largest aircraft producer, and China Aviation Industry Corporation II (AVIC II).

Zhang Qingwei, minister of then State Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense, was appointed the board chairman.

Jin Zhuanglong, the company's general manager, told Xinhua that "It is too early to set a timetable or make development strategy," adding that it will take a long time for the company to train talents and do research.

"Since large aircraft cannot be made in one or two days, CACC will pose no threat to large jet-makers like Boeing and Airbus," Jin said.

Jin added that China is to make full use of worldwide resources to develop the aircraft, and welcomes cooperation from foreign companies.

According to Jin, CACC's goals within the first few years include finishing delivery and maiden flight of ARJ21 aircraft, establishing an operating system and training talents.

Shanghai Aircraft Manufacturing Factory and the First Aircraft Institute of AVIC I, which participated in producing the country's first homegrown regional jet ARJ21-700, joined the newly established CACC.

Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Dejiang (3rd L), Shanghai Party Chief Yu Zhengsheng (3rd R) and Minister of Science and Technology Wan Gang (R) attend the inauguration ceremony of China's first ever jumbo passenger aircraft company in Shanghai, east China, May 11, 2008.



ARJ21-700 rolled off the production line in Shanghai last December, and will start its maiden flight in upcoming Autumn.

Establishment of CACC was approved in February 2007 by the State Council, China's Cabinet. This was to make the country capable of building aircraft with a take-off weight of more than 100 tonnes, or planes with more than 150 seats.

Echoing Jin Zhuanglong, Jin Qiansheng, head of the management committee of Yanliang State High-tech Aviation Industry Base, said, "China's jumbo jet program will not impose a threat to Boeing and Airbus at least in the coming 20 years. Even if China built up its own production capacity of large jets, it would be able to meet quite a small part of the domestic demand. Boeing and Airbus will continue to claim the majority of the Chinese market."

Located in Xi'an, capital city of northwest China's Shaanxi Province, the Yanliang base is home to Xi'an Aircraft Industry (Group) Co., Ltd. and another 125 aviation businesses.

Jin Qiansheng told Xinhua that the Xi'an Aircraft industry company, which is under the AVIC I, will serve as a major big-part manufacturer of the large passenger jet project.

Jin Qianshen said China was willing to cooperate with foreign companies in developing large passenger jets.

Zhang Qingwei (R), chairman of the board of directors of China's first ever jumbo passenger aircraft company receives licence at the inauguration ceremony in Shanghai, east China, May 11, 2008. (Xinhua Photo)


Earlier media reports quoted Laurence Barron, president of Airbus China, as saying that the European aircraft producer hoped to know more about the (China's large jet) program, and had been prepared for probing into any possibility of cooperating with Chinese partners on the program.

According to Zhang Qingwei, chairman of the newly established Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China Ltd., in the process of CACC's formation, China obtained support and concern from such world big-names as Boeing, Airbus, GE, Honeywell and Bombardier.

Jin Qiansheng estimated that approximately 3,000 to 5,000 non-state businesses nationwide would be ushered into the large jet program. But it still takes time for such companies to get familiar with the aircraft industry, he told Xinhua.

 

[white_pawn]

China’s first jumbo jet C919 to take off in 8 years​

March 10th, 2009

Fingers crossed and other superstitious signs China will have it’s own jumbo jet within eight years. The state media says its working title is C919.

At a 190 seater it may just sneak into the Jumbo category but it will be the largest passenger plane produced in the country and the plan is that it will be launched in about eight years. This according to the official news agency Xinhua

The deputy general manager of COMAC, the manufacturer of C919, said, ‘The name reflects our determination to compete in the international market for jumbo jet. C919 comes after Airbus and Boeing, so you will have ABC in the aviation industry.’ Not, perhaps, a persuasive argument.

He added ‘C represents China as well as COMAC, the abbreviation for Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China.

China is willing to encourage foreign suppliers to enter into partnership with Chinese manufacturers on this project and will choose suppliers of engines, airborne equipment, and materials through international bidding.

China is keen to cooperate with foreigners on the project, which is meant to rival Airbus and Boeing,

According to CNN Money COMAC was set up in May last year, charged with developing a large aircraft that one day can compete with planes from Airbus and Boeing.

Wu said that the company will choose suppliers of engines, equipment, and materials through international bidding, and will encourage foreign suppliers to enter into partnership with Chinese manufacturers.

He said, ‘We will choose foreign-manufactured products like engines at the beginning phase, but we will also independently do research and manufacturing work at the same time.’

Robust growth in China’s aviation market in recent years has given rise to predictions that the nation will need more than 3,000 new aircraft in the coming two decades.

China's first jumbo jet C919 to take off in 8 years - China Economic Review

 

[Patriot]

Good Luck to Chinese

 

[Gucci Juice]

this is good, but i'd never fly on a russian/chinese plane.

its half the price of other planes, meaning there must have been some cost cutting.

wont say more

 

[mDumb]

this is good, but i'd never fly on a russian/chinese plane.

its half the price of other planes, meaning there must have been some cost cutting.

wont say more

Don't be a MORON!!!! The planes will be certified by FAA, EASA, and CAAC.

In case you're that ignorant, China has sold some planes to the US.

 

[wtf]

An article with pictures.
1st China jumbo jet to take off in 8 years -- china.org.cn

A low wing high tail design. I wonder why they went with a low wing ? A high wing would make it more dynamically stable and better able to work on bad runways. High/Low wings also avoid the problem of structural strength if the wing has to run through the fuselage.

And here is the pics of the aircraft they already are manufacturing (and have international orders for)
ACAC ARJ21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[atp]

Engine Engine

come on

 

[gambit]

An article with pictures.
1st China jumbo jet to take off in 8 years -- china.org.cn

A low wing high tail design. I wonder why they went with a low wing ? A high wing would make it more dynamically stable and better able to work on bad runways. High/Low wings also avoid the problem of structural strength if the wing has to run through the fuselage.

And here is the pics of the aircraft they already are manufacturing (and have international orders for)
ACAC ARJ21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Incorrect.

Dihedral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anhedral is also seen on aircraft with a high mounted wing, such as the BAe 146 and Lockheed Galaxy. In such designs, the high mounted wing is above the center of gravity which confers extra Dihedral Effect due to the pendulum effect also called the Keel effect, so additional Dihedral Angle is not required. In fact, such designs can be excessively stable, so the anhedral is added to cancel out some of the Dihedral Effect to ensure that the aircraft can be easily maneuvered.

A dihedral design, or a low-wing, is inherently stable...

Dihedral Angle has important stabilizing effects on flying bodies because it has a strong influence on Dihedral Effect.

Dihedral Effect[1] of an aircraft is a rolling moment resulting from the vehicle having a non-zero Angle of sideslip. Increased Dihedral Angle causes increased Dihedral Effect. Dihedral Effect is so-named because of this relationship with Dihedral Angle. However, many other aircraft parameters also have a strong influence on Dihedral Effect. They aren't Dihedral Angle, but they cause more or less Dihedral Effect. Some of these important factors are: Wing Sweep, Vertical Center of Gravity, and the height and size of anything on an aircraft that changes its sideforce as sideslip changes.

An airliner is supposed to be as stable as possible for passenger comfort, hence the preference for a low-wing design.

Whereas for a military transport, like a C-5, a high-wing design is desirable for cargo acess, load/unload, but also for maneuverability if necessary...

Anhedral

Military fighter aircraft often have near zero Dihedral Angle, or even Anhedral. This reduces Dihedral Effect, reducing the stability of the spiral mode. A too-stable spiral mode decreases maneuverability and is undesirable for fighter-type aircraft.

Basically...A low-wing design would have an up-sweep wing angle -- dihedral effect -- and would be highly stable. A high-wing design would have a down-sweep angle -- anhedral effect -- and would increase instability, hence increase maneuverability.

 

[Super Falcon]

i hope it destroyes the companies such like boeing and airbus which are too expansive and tickets of these aircrafts are even expansive chinese aircraft will bring good news for passengers such like us in cheaper rates

 

[Tyler]

i hope it destroyes the companies such like boeing and airbus which are too expansive and tickets of these aircrafts are even expansive chinese aircraft will bring good news for passengers such like us in cheaper rates

I highly doubt the Europeans and the Americans will support the stereotypical low quality china made jumbo jet

 

[Keysersoze]

I highly doubt the Europeans and the Americans will support the stereotypical low quality china made jumbo jet

Dude the west and US have been supporting everything else from china so somehow I doubt they will be reticent if the price and quality is right.

 

[A1Kaid]

this is good, but i'd never fly on a russian/chinese plane.

its half the price of other planes, meaning there must have been some cost cutting.

wont say more

I'm not an expert on this specific issue, but I think most of the "cost cutting" is because of the cheaper labor compared to western expensive laborer used to build the Chinese jumbo-jets. The quality obviously must be examined and tested, just like with cars.

I highly doubt the Europeans and the Americans will support the stereotypical low quality china made jumbo jet

I'm not sure about Europe, but in the US it depends mostly on what the private air line company wishes to use not so much the National Government, it's a part of the capitalist system. However, the FAA and other bureaucratic regulations and rules do apply, other than that if a private air line company wishes to use these Chinese made jumbo-jets, and these jumbo-jets pass flying-safety standards then it is quite possible these planes could be used in the US as well.

Hope this helps.

 

[scshqgcm]

I highly doubt the Europeans and the Americans will support the stereotypical low quality china made jumbo jet

time will prove it.for Us and Eu their hope is simple ,may god curse China!they had surprised by the growth of the last 30 years.we dont mind to say -----surprise?
this is a little ambition we have now

 

[AirforcePilot]

China, perhaps uncomfortable with the thought of an industry it doesn't completely dominate, is accelerating plans to roll out a home-grown passenger plane to compete with best-selling planes from Boeing and Airbus.

China has long aspired to play the plane game, but what's caught the industry by surprise is the timeline its state-sponsored aircraft company has now set for getting the Comac 919 airliner off the ground. Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China is pushing up its delivery date by four years to 2016, which would put the plane on tarmacs before we see replacements for the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320.

The two biggest players in aviation can't be happy to see a home-grown competitor horning in on what is fast becoming one of the world's most lucrative aviation markets.

Airbus estimates the size of China's passenger aircraft fleet will triple during the next 20 years. Translate that into actual orders, and you're looking at something on the order of 2,800 new planes with a book value of $329 billion. You can't blame China for wanting to keep as much of that money in the country as possible.

It's betting the Comac 919 will help do that. Although Commercial Aircraft is handling the design of the craft and plans to do the manufacturing, it is talking to GE, Pratt & Whitney and other firms about supplying the engines. Taking a page from Boeing and Airbus, it also plans to have portions of the plane manufactured throughout China and then shipped to Shanghai for final assembly.

The 919 isn't the only plane China is working on. Commercial Aircraft has started full-scale production of the ARJ 21, a small jet with a range of 2,300 miles that will compete with models from Brazil's Embraer and Canada's Bombardier. The company already has 200 orders for the 90-seat regional jets. Another Chinese firm, Avic, is currently working on China's first helicopter factory.

The Chinese government has no qualms admitting its big role in developing the country's aviation industry and pouring cash into any industry where it thinks the country can gain a toehold. Miao Wei, vice minister of industry and information technology, has been quoted saying the government encourages development of export-oriented aviation products.

Some might be inclined to call that a state subsidy. However you look at it, the reality is that yet another industry is about to confront the Chinese Dragon.