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China would not be intimidated even if the US send all the ten ACs to the SCS

It is turbulent time, as Pivot to Asia broke the status quo, the new equilibrium will be inevitably re-established. US is in strategic retreat in China‘s periphery , and China is on the strategic advance, despite the hawkish talking of the chief of pacific command or the taunting talk of Mr. Dai. China knows the cards US has, but the same can't be said the other way around. Nobody can predict the outcome of a boxer vs a gungfu master, but China has the advantage of this one party system, so it doesn't have to bend over every 4 years. My money will be on CPC.
 
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Philippine President Duterte aims 'soft-landing' in talks with China
(China Daily) 09:01, July 07, 2016

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Presumptive Philippine president-elect Rodrigo Duterte speaks during a press conference in Davao Province, the Philippines, May 16, 2016. [Photo: Xinhua/Stringer]


Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte is taking a "soft-landing" approach in exploring ways to renew friendly ties with China, which have been strained in the past years over the disputes in the South China Sea, analysts said on Wednesday.

This is a departure from his predecessor Benigno Aquino III, under whom the Philippines unilaterally initiated an arbitration case against China in 2013 over the dispute at the Permannent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

At his first cabinet meeting after he was sworn in on June 30, Duterte, who had said he was open to talking with China about the territorial dispute, stated, "If we can have peace by just talking I'll be really happy."

Richard Heydarian, an associate professor at De la Salle University, said Duterte "is taking a significant different approach, constantly emphasizing necessity for direct engagement and revival of bilateral ties."

"He is signaling that neither the maritime disputes nor the arbitration case should negatively define the texture of overall bilateral relations," Heydarian said.

He said that Duterte was aiming at "a soft-landing" especially after the arbitration verdict is handed down on July 12, "which may mean not aggressively criticizing China."

In exchange, Heyadarian said Duterte will most likely seek for concessions in the South China Sea.

"A lot of horse trading is on the horizon," he said.

NOT EVEN "WAR OF WORDS"

Even before he assumed the presidency, Duterte has made it clear that "I am not ready to go to war," referring to the worst scenario of fighting between China and the Philippines over the disputes in the South China Sea.

Benito Lim, a political science professor, said Duterte wanted to engage China, making his position clear to China that he wanted direct talks and that he did not want to engage China in war, not even "war of words."

"It means that he wants to explore other avenues aside from letting the situation fester in the standoff," Lim said in an interview, adding that Duterte "is trying to look for ways and means by which this long-time standoff can be removed and then agree on things that are mutually beneficial."

Lim said this is a logical step on the part of the Duterte administration, adding that both countries can move on by forging "cooperative and beneficial agreements."

"He is sending a message to China that both countries can agree on mutually beneficial agreements instead of a standoff," Lim said.

"Exploring other avenues by which there can be agreements that are equally beneficial to both is better than saying bad things about each other," he said.

Moreover, he said that Duterte was "addressing" Philippine national interests by making this reconciliatory move with Beijing.

Duterte has said that the Philippines will charter a course of its own, shifting away from Aquino government's overarching dependence on U.S. military support.

"We will chartering a course of our own," Duterte has said.

"It will not be dependent on America, and it will be a line not intended to please anybody but the Filipino interests," said Lim.

Asked what the implication of Duterte's "softening move" will be on the country's relations with the United States, Lim said, "Philippine interests will not be formulated whether the international community would look at it with approval or not. It would be in the interests of the Philippines."

Lim said Duterte's statement that he would wait for the ruling and study its implications meant that even if it were in our favor "he will still examine the consequences of what that decision means."

TO HAVE STRONG TRADE, INVESTMENT RELATIONS

Rommel Banlaoi, director of the Center for Intelligence and National Security Studies, said Duterte wanted to open direct talks with China on many facets of diplomatic relations like economic and trade, and not just about political issues like the South China Sea.

Banlaoi said Duterte was not just exploring ways "to revive the stagnant relations between Beijing and Manila but he also wants a better economic ties with China."

"Duterte does not want the bilateral relationship with China to revolve around the dispute on the South China Sea, meaning that his administration is willing to talk about other, more equally important aspect of the relations," Banlaoi said.

In an editorial on Monday, the Philippine Daily Inquirer said that despite its territorial dispute with China, it is possible for the Philippines to have strong trade and investment relations with China, adding one major avenue for this is the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).

"The AIIB has been described as modern and multilateral, or China's 21st-century answer to lenders like the World Bank and the ADB (Asian Development Bank). And the Philippines will be better off borrowing through a more transparent window now," the editorial said.

Banlaoi said Duterte was fostering an independent foreign policy, "a policy that is not pro this and against that" despite what he described as "tremendous pressure" from strategic partners like the United States and its allies in the region.

"It's a difficult and delicate balancing act," Balaoi said, adding that Duterte was determined to have good relations with everybody.

On the forthcoming arbitral ruling, Banlaoi said the administration has already said that it will carefully study the ruling before taking the next step.

"My reading is that the administration will make sure that its next step will support its position to bring back good ties with China," he said.
http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0707/c90000-9082772.html
 
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Philippine President Duterte aims 'soft-landing' in talks with China
(China Daily) 09:01, July 07, 2016

9AOOI1W.jpg

Presumptive Philippine president-elect Rodrigo Duterte speaks during a press conference in Davao Province, the Philippines, May 16, 2016. [Photo: Xinhua/Stringer]


Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte is taking a "soft-landing" approach in exploring ways to renew friendly ties with China, which have been strained in the past years over the disputes in the South China Sea, analysts said on Wednesday.

This is a departure from his predecessor Benigno Aquino III, under whom the Philippines unilaterally initiated an arbitration case against China in 2013 over the dispute at the Permannent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

At his first cabinet meeting after he was sworn in on June 30, Duterte, who had said he was open to talking with China about the territorial dispute, stated, "If we can have peace by just talking I'll be really happy."

Richard Heydarian, an associate professor at De la Salle University, said Duterte "is taking a significant different approach, constantly emphasizing necessity for direct engagement and revival of bilateral ties."

"He is signaling that neither the maritime disputes nor the arbitration case should negatively define the texture of overall bilateral relations," Heydarian said.

He said that Duterte was aiming at "a soft-landing" especially after the arbitration verdict is handed down on July 12, "which may mean not aggressively criticizing China."

In exchange, Heyadarian said Duterte will most likely seek for concessions in the South China Sea.

"A lot of horse trading is on the horizon," he said.

NOT EVEN "WAR OF WORDS"

Even before he assumed the presidency, Duterte has made it clear that "I am not ready to go to war," referring to the worst scenario of fighting between China and the Philippines over the disputes in the South China Sea.

Benito Lim, a political science professor, said Duterte wanted to engage China, making his position clear to China that he wanted direct talks and that he did not want to engage China in war, not even "war of words."

"It means that he wants to explore other avenues aside from letting the situation fester in the standoff," Lim said in an interview, adding that Duterte "is trying to look for ways and means by which this long-time standoff can be removed and then agree on things that are mutually beneficial."

Lim said this is a logical step on the part of the Duterte administration, adding that both countries can move on by forging "cooperative and beneficial agreements."

"He is sending a message to China that both countries can agree on mutually beneficial agreements instead of a standoff," Lim said.

"Exploring other avenues by which there can be agreements that are equally beneficial to both is better than saying bad things about each other," he said.

Moreover, he said that Duterte was "addressing" Philippine national interests by making this reconciliatory move with Beijing.

Duterte has said that the Philippines will charter a course of its own, shifting away from Aquino government's overarching dependence on U.S. military support.

"We will chartering a course of our own," Duterte has said.

"It will not be dependent on America, and it will be a line not intended to please anybody but the Filipino interests," said Lim.

Asked what the implication of Duterte's "softening move" will be on the country's relations with the United States, Lim said, "Philippine interests will not be formulated whether the international community would look at it with approval or not. It would be in the interests of the Philippines."

Lim said Duterte's statement that he would wait for the ruling and study its implications meant that even if it were in our favor "he will still examine the consequences of what that decision means."

TO HAVE STRONG TRADE, INVESTMENT RELATIONS

Rommel Banlaoi, director of the Center for Intelligence and National Security Studies, said Duterte wanted to open direct talks with China on many facets of diplomatic relations like economic and trade, and not just about political issues like the South China Sea.

Banlaoi said Duterte was not just exploring ways "to revive the stagnant relations between Beijing and Manila but he also wants a better economic ties with China."

"Duterte does not want the bilateral relationship with China to revolve around the dispute on the South China Sea, meaning that his administration is willing to talk about other, more equally important aspect of the relations," Banlaoi said.

In an editorial on Monday, the Philippine Daily Inquirer said that despite its territorial dispute with China, it is possible for the Philippines to have strong trade and investment relations with China, adding one major avenue for this is the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).

"The AIIB has been described as modern and multilateral, or China's 21st-century answer to lenders like the World Bank and the ADB (Asian Development Bank). And the Philippines will be better off borrowing through a more transparent window now," the editorial said.

Banlaoi said Duterte was fostering an independent foreign policy, "a policy that is not pro this and against that" despite what he described as "tremendous pressure" from strategic partners like the United States and its allies in the region.

"It's a difficult and delicate balancing act," Balaoi said, adding that Duterte was determined to have good relations with everybody.

On the forthcoming arbitral ruling, Banlaoi said the administration has already said that it will carefully study the ruling before taking the next step.

"My reading is that the administration will make sure that its next step will support its position to bring back good ties with China," he said.
http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0707/c90000-9082772.html

He hopes he can utilize the ITLOS ruling as a trump card against China.

Hence, he is giving soft signals before the decision is made. From this (alleged) vantage point, he thinks he will sit negotiation table as a stronger side. Why? Because he has the ITLOS ruling backing him.

China may need to break the back and nerve of this new president through a precise, surgical action in Scarborough Shoal. This way it will have its own trump card to sit down and talk.

This new president plays smart, China needs to show it is smarter. Otherwise, the new PH president will cloak itself in little guy's virtue backed by a worthless court decision.

China needs to keep in mind that it was the PH that started the arbitration. There must be consequences for this before ’normalizing‘ relations. Initiative cannot be left in PH's hands.
 
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Launching DF-21 leads to nuclear war since they are ICBMs anyways. We thought about conventional Tridents, but that could lead to nuclear response.
DF-21D is IRBM,not ICBM.Its ballistic trajectory is quite different from ICBM.
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USA president has enough time to judge the situation.Of course,the crews on the carrier will have enough time to do the last confession.
 
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Says the clown living in the USA, Nobel prize needs to given for your sheer hypocrisy.. Fanboys serz having a run for their money.
well xunzi is one of many online Chinese clowns that begin to run amok ahead of the UN ruling. he is one of the online prominent promoter of war against others, especially against weaker opponents. I bet if a war breaks out, he will be the first who hides in the toilette. not much expected from a coward. also, you can notice Chinese media run into overdrive.
 
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For a post claiming China will not be intimidated by the US Carrier, these people sure have a lot of thing to say about the Carrier may or may not be deployed to the South China Seas

If the US Carrier is that "Nothing" like someone here say, then I don't think there is nothing to talk about. Then do explain why the up and down about this??

actually US had 10 super carrier and 11 or more super sized LHD in which they can carry attack fighter like harrier.....

US have more than 21 Carriers......

In all, the United States have 3 Supercarrier (Enterprise, Kitty Hawk, JFK) in reserve and All San Antonio Class can carry a complement of F35-B, making them mini carrier.

In All, US have about 40 Aircraft Carrier in active, inactive and mothball fleet
 
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For a post claiming China will not be intimidated by the US Carrier, these people sure have a lot of thing to say about the Carrier may or may not be deployed to the South China Seas

If the US Carrier is that "Nothing" like someone here say, then I don't think there is nothing to talk about. Then do explain why the up and down about this??



US have more than 21 Carriers......

In all, the United States have 3 Supercarrier (Enterprise, Kitty Hawk, JFK) in reserve and All San Antonio Class can carry a complement of F35-B, making them mini carrier.

In All, US have about 40 Aircraft Carrier in active, inactive and mothball fleet
the US once deployed 23 aircraft carriers into the South China Sea combating North Vietnam. as China is much bigger, with chinese having bigger mouths, the US should mobilize all 40 carriers. Makes more fun.
 
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So funny ... some guys try to push U.S war with China, but in real world 10% chance U.S fight with China and 90% possible U.S fight with other small country. War with Russia or China, U.S knew what will hurt them ... but easily win victory from other small country ... so after WWII => Korea War => Vietnam War => Cold War => 1st Iraq War => Balkan War => Terror War => 2nd Iraq War => Afghan War, most time our Great U.S.A busy dealing with those small countries, not fight with Russia or China.

Sending 40x A.C to South China Sea to war with China ? United State not stupid to risk losing N.o1 power to war with other Nuclear Powers. Im sure U.S can send 10x A.C groups to destroy other small countries in this region. :coffee: The thing we can sure U.S never War with other Nuclear Power in SCS for some small country, also sure U.S will fight war with some small country for American interests. :-)
 
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He hopes he can utilize the ITLOS ruling as a trump card against China.

Hence, he is giving soft signals before the decision is made. From this (alleged) vantage point, he thinks he will sit negotiation table as a stronger side. Why? Because he has the ITLOS ruling backing him.

China may need to break the back and nerve of this new president through a precise, surgical action in Scarborough Shoal. This way it will have its own trump card to sit down and talk.

This new president plays smart, China needs to show it is smarter. Otherwise, the new PH president will cloak itself in little guy's virtue backed by a worthless court decision.

China needs to keep in mind that it was the PH that started the arbitration. There must be consequences for this before ’normalizing‘ relations. Initiative cannot be left in PH's hands.

I don't know if Duerte is playing smart but a nobody like myself can see through his pretentious words for peace.
 
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US will never fight China alone by themselves, because they has no balls. They will bring in at least 30 countries to engage the war with China. Lol, I can only see US can only make about 5 countries to engage with them. So there would not be big balls to face China. So nothing to worry about, all China is built and make the Scarborough island to contain nukes.

the US once deployed 23 aircraft carriers into the South China Sea combating North Vietnam. as China is much bigger, with chinese having bigger mouths, the US should mobilize all 40 carriers. Makes more fun.
Lol, Where US balls?
 
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well xunzi is one of many online Chinese clowns that begin to run amok ahead of the UN ruling. he is one of the online prominent promoter of war against others, especially against weaker opponents. I bet if a war breaks out, he will be the first who hides in the toilette. not much expected from a coward. also, you can notice Chinese media run into overdrive.

Not as much as the Vietnamese looters and the media who mistook German companies for Chinese.

the US once deployed 23 aircraft carriers into the South China Sea combating North Vietnam. as China is much bigger, with chinese having bigger mouths, the US should mobilize all 40 carriers. Makes more fun.

If you had nukes and delivery capability, rest assured, the Uncle could not have moved a finger at you.

I don't know if Duerte is playing smart but a nobody like myself can see through his pretentious words for peace.

He is doing 'high' strategy, in his own fantasy world. Although I do hope he is being sincere, I would make plans based on the premise that he is not being sincere.

Overdoing national security and sovereignty is better than underdoing.
 
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He is doing 'high' strategy, in his own fantasy world. Although I do hope he is being sincere, I would make plans based on the premise that he is not being sincere.

Overdoing national security and sovereignty is better than underdoing.

Good one bro, love the "high strategy" part. If he was sincere about wanting lasting peace and economic partnership with China, he should have at least hinted that the UNCLOS verdict should be dropped.

But he is just talking
 
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Not as much as the Vietnamese looters and the media who mistook German companies for Chinese.



If you had nukes and delivery capability, rest assured, the Uncle could not have moved a finger at you.



He is doing 'high' strategy, in his own fantasy world. Although I do hope he is being sincere, I would make plans based on the premise that he is not being sincere.

Overdoing national security and sovereignty is better than underdoing.
Not much as Chinese posters crying days and nights over Japanese war crimes by ignoring own crimes in own countries and neighbors. Vietnam included. You should seriously build 1,000 Nanking monuments all over China.

Having nukes seem giving you the right to do whatever you like. If the US fails to do her duties, I think Vietnam should go nuclear.
 
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Having nukes seem giving you the right to do whatever you like. If the US fails to do her duties, I think Vietnam should go nuclear.
I just knew Gaddafi and Saddam ever said the same word, N.Korea Kim also had the word ... but they made the same mistake, underestimated the Top5 and Nuclear Powers in U.N.:pop:
 
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I just knew Gaddafi and Saddam ever said the same word, N.Korea Kim also had the word ... but they made the same mistake, underestimated the Top5 and Nuclear Powers in U.N.:pop:
LOL at P5. who cares? North Korea has nukes, so Israel, Pakistan and India. Japan can make nukes, too. I think we will take a bit longer than the japanese. have you chinese posters here cheered Donald Trump?

Trump has no problems at all if Japan and South Korea go nuclear. he has no problem either if Vietnam goes nuclear. a lot of countries can go nuclear. do you think you can intimidate Vietnam? Don´t make the mistake by assuming you are immortal. ending as nuclear ashes is not funny.
 
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