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A look inside China's C919 passenger aircraft

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Economy class seats are seen inside a model of the China-made C919 passenger airliner

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A model of the China-made C919 passenger airliner
 
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Depends on financing and support - in particular, operating costs over time -- Also if one can operate a wide body with not too much difference in operating costs, well, the additional seats and cargho make for profits.

But I agree, Pakistani operators should look at this and the two governments can be helpful, it would go a long ways towards launching this family of ships in the region and Asia, to begin with.

Does anyone know if GECAS or ILFC have shown interest??
 
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A model of the China-made C919 large aircraft was displayed at the Eighth China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, (also commonly known as the 2010 Zhuhai Air Show), in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province on Nov .15, 2010.The model, which contained the cockpit and the front part of the passenger cabin, showed the true prototype of an actual full-scale C919 plane, with a length of 17 meters, a height of 5.6 meters and a width of 3.96 meters. (Photo By Pei Xin/Xinhua)

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Wu Guanghui, chief designer of the C919 air bus, said the aircraft has advantages mainly in four aspects. The plane uses inert gas to ensure more secure fuel. It has increased room for passenger seats to improve comfort ability. It utilizes a new generation of air engine for more economic and efficient flight to reduce costs by 10 percent. It is eco-friendly, reducing emissions by 50 percent.The basic layout of the C919 consists of 168 economy classes and 156 mixed classes. It has a designed standard flight range of 4,075 kilometers and an enhanced flight range of 5,555 kilometers to meet various operational requirements of different flight routes for airline companies. The designed economic service lifespan of the C919 is 90,000 flight hours per 30 calendar years.(Photo By Qiu Xiang/cnr.cn)

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Source: [bloomberg]

Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China announced its first 100 C919 passenger-plane orders, breaking Airbus SAS and Boeing Co.’s stranglehold on the world’s second- largest aircraft market.

General Electric Co.’s leasing arm and China’s big three domestic airlines are among customers for the narrowbody plane, state-controlled Comac said in a statement issued at the Zhuhai air show in southern China today. Chinese airlines accounted for more than half the orders, said Zhang Xinguo, vice president of Comac shareholder, Aviation Industry Corp. of China.

Comac has a full-sized model of the front section of the aircraft on display at the show as it challenges Boeing and Airbus’s grip on a domestic plane market that could be worth $480 billion through 2029, according to Boeing. The Chinese planemaker expects to sell more than 2,000 C919s worldwide over 20 years competing against Boeing and Airbus’s most popular jets.

“The aircraft is of national importance,” said Harry Chen, a Shenzhen-based analyst at Guotai Junan Securities Co. “But, as it’s only on the drawing board so far, we still have to see how fuel-efficient and less expensive it really is.”

The C919’s Chinese customers include Air China Ltd., China Southern Airlines Co., China Eastern Airlines Corp., HNA Group Co. and CDB Leasing Co., according to the statement. It didn’t say how many planes had been ordered by each customer.

Air China’s head of investor relations, Rao Xinyu, and China Eastern spokesman Li Jiang declined to comment. Calls to China Southern’s joint board secretary Xie Bing went unanswered.

The C919, which has 166 seats in its standard version, competes with Boeing’s 737 and the Airbus A320. The plane is scheduled to make its maiden flight in 2014 before entering service two years later.

GECAS Order

GE Capital Aviation Services Ltd., the world’s largest plane lessor, also announced an order for as many as 25 China- made ARJ21 regional aircraft at the last Zhuhai air show in 2008, as GE seeks to boost sales in the world’s fastest growing major economy. The 70-seat ARJ21, China’s first regional jet, is due to make its maiden exhibition flight at this week’s show.

China first announced plans for the C919 in 2008 to help develop a globally competitive aerospace industry and pare its reliance on imports. The nation will trail only the U.S. in plane orders over the next 20 years, according to Boeing.

“There’s certainly enough pie locally to keep Comac and their partners busy for a long time,” said Derek Sadubin, chief operating officer at industry consultants, Centre for Asia- Pacific Aviation in Sydney. “It does remain to be seen whether the aircraft does sell overseas.”

GE, Safran

Comac is working with overseas suppliers on the C919, including CFM International Inc., a venture between General Electric Co. and Safran SA that has won a $10 billion engine contract. Other suppliers include Honeywell International Inc., United Technologies Corp. and Parker Hannifin Corp.

China’s economic growth has stoked demand for aircraft and boosted its importance in the global aviation market. Air China, China Southern and China Eastern are all among the world’s four largest carriers by market value. China Southern is Asia’s biggest by passenger numbers.

Nationwide passenger numbers may jump fivefold in the 20 years ended 2029, AVIC, the nation’s largest aerospace company, said today.

Airbus Order

China is due to receive 112 aircraft from Airbus this year, or 22 percent of the Toulouse, France-based planemaker’s total production, Ascend said this month. It will take 71 planes from Boeing, or 15 percent of output, according to the London-based aviation data company.

Airbus this month announced an order for 102 planes from China, including 50 A320s. The planemaker will assemble half of the single-aisle planes at a plant in Tianjin, China, its only production line outside of Europe. Chicago-based Boeing has won 737 orders this year from Air China, Okay Airways Co. and China Southern’s Xiamen Airlines.

“We welcome all competition,” Jim Simon, Boeing’s vice- president for China commercial-airplane sales, said at the show. “It makes the industry better, frankly, because it makes us sharper at our game.”

Boeing and Airbus also face other new competitors in the single-aisle segment, the largest part of the global plane market. Bombardier Inc. is due to begin deliveries of its CSeries planes, which sit up to 149 passengers, in 2013. Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica SA, known as Embraer, has also said that it’s considering plans to build a similar-sized aircraft.

“We were born into competition 40 years ago, and now we’re number one,” Airbus’s China head Laurence Barron said at a show press conference. “Frankly, we’re used to it.”

China had 1,259 commercial aircraft at the end of 2008, according to the nation’s aviation regulator. In 1980, it had a fleet of about 140 commercial planes, mostly seating less than 50 passengers, under the management of the air force.

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Let's hope we'll be able to supply high quality domestic engines to the C919 and become fully independent in the near future.
 
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Zhuhai 10: Comac announces launch C919 order for up to 100 jets

Zhuhai 10: Comac announces launch C919 order for up to 100 jets
By Ghim-Lay Yeo

The Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (Comac) has announced a launch order of up to 100 aircraft for its C919 narrowbody.

Chinese carriers Air China, China Southern Airlines, China Eastern Airlines, Hainan Airlines, Chinese lessor CDB Leasing Company (CLC) and GECAS are the launch customers, says Comac at Airshow China 2010 in Zhuhai.

Half of the 100 orders are firm while the remaining are options, says Comac general manager Jin Zhuanglong.

Air China, China Southern and China Eastern have ordered up to 20 C919s each, he adds. He did not give a detailed breakdown for the remaining orders.

GECAS says it has ordered up to 10 aircraft, half of which are firm orders.

"Today is a very important milestone for us. The order shows that our product has been accepted by the market," says Jin.

The C919 is scheduled to have its first flight in 2014, with entry into service in 2016. The joint definition phase is ongoing, and is scheduled to wrap up early next year following a design review at the end of this year.

Comac says it aims to complete its detailed design work in 2012, before first flight in 2014.
 
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Congrats to Chinese folks here. That's a nice looking plane you got. I hope it gets launched more commercially worldwide. That would be some serious competition to Boeing and Airbus. Brazil, China and Russia seriously aim to replace Boeing and Airbus completely in the coming few years.
 
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This is what i hate about China.This aircraft looks just like the new 787.Another Chinese commercial aircraft looks just like the DC-9.I read somewhere that China is also producing an exact copy of the C-130 transport.The exact copy of the An-12 is in active service for a long time.I simple cannot understand why on earth they just keep copying instead of designing something on their own.


The exact copy of the DC-9 which i mentioned is called ARJ-21 and only Chinese airlines have ordered them.No offence to Chinese members but it appears that no one outside China is interested except for some African countries.
 
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This is what i hate about China.This aircraft looks just like the new 787.Another Chinese commercial aircraft looks just like the DC-9.I read somewhere that China is also producing an exact copy of the C-130 transport.The exact copy of the An-12 is in active service for a long time.I simple cannot understand why on earth they just keep copying instead of designing something on their own.

Yeah right, pure "JEALOUSY" in full display, keep it up boy:lol:
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It's not jealousy dude .It is reality.Those who want to learn more can just go to google images and check out the real version and the copied Chinese ones.Reverse engineering at it's best!!!!
 
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It's not jealousy dude .It is reality.Those who want to learn more can just go to google images and check out the real version and the copied Chinese ones.Reverse engineering at it's best!!!!

Hmm...I wonder how did China reverse engineer Boeing 787, a plane hasn't even entered service yet.
 
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It's not jealousy dude .It is reality.Those who want to learn more can just go to google images and check out the real version and the copied Chinese ones.Reverse engineering at it's best!!!!

reverse engineering is just engineering done better.

we don't do "failure engineering" like some certain countries to the south.
 
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