'China will be 2nd most powerful nation by 2050'

[GodlessBastard]

Many young generation of Chinese tend to become very materialistic, that's not a good sign to me. I don't want our society to become full of materialistic animals just like in the Western society. Everything is about money, no kinship or friendship, that's basically no different from living in the jungle.

Actually, there is a lot more kinship in most jungles than in most Western societies...

 

[Hasbara Buster]

I think "survival of the fittest" is a trait that applies to humanity as a whole, after all humans are animals too. We are still at the mercy of our biology.

By accepting this you are indirectly promoting this evil western ideology. Instead, we should condemn it and promote peaceful coexistence.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Many young generation of Chinese tend to become very materialistic, that's not a good sign to me. I don't want our society to become full of materialistic animals just like in the Western society. Everything is about money, no kinship or friendship, that's basically no different from living in the jungle.

Agreed 100%.

What is even more troubling is the blind admiration for anything Western among China's younger generations. True, there is a great deal that China could learn from the United States but this doesn't mean that we must imitate what is bad about Western societies. I am stunned by how "congressional brawls" were supposed to be a sign of advanced political systems, for example.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Many young generation of Chinese tend to become very materialistic, that's not a good sign to me. I don't want our society to become full of materialistic animals just like in the Western society. Everything is about money, no kinship or friendship, that's basically no different from living in the jungle.

Yes I agree 1000%, and unfortunately the same is happening in my country Turkey, to some extent. In the past people were friendlier and family ties were much stronger.

 

[gambit]

Many young generation of Chinese tend to become very materialistic, that's not a good sign to me. I don't want our society to become full of materialistic animals just like in the Western society. Everything is about money, no kinship or friendship, that's basically no different from living in the jungle.

Best thing is to deny the people things that could make them 'materialistic'. Things like money, private property, or worse...capitalism. As long as you allow private property, aka the notion that a person can own something that is inaccessible by anyone else, you set the foundation for 'materialism'. Better go back to communism.

 

[GodlessBastard]

Best thing is to deny the people things that could make them 'materialistic'. Things like money, private property, or worse...capitalism. As long as you allow private property, aka the notion that a person can own something that is inaccessible by anyone else, you set the foundation for 'materialism'. Better go back to communism.

You are implying that private property always leads to materialism, which is an incorrect implication.

"Materialism", i.e. the desire for goods that go far beyond one's needs and whose purpose are mainly for social status, is not a genuinely modern phenomenon, but it has been greatly exacerbated by Western consumerist philosophy, the likes of which are now being replicated in the East.

 

[gambit]

You are implying that private property always leads to materialism, which is an incorrect implication.

"Materialism", i.e. the desire for goods that go far beyond one's needs and whose purpose are mainly for social status, is not a genuinely modern phenomenon, but it has been greatly exacerbated by Western consumerist philosophy, the likes of which are now being replicated in the East.

The idea of 'private property' is inextricably tied to materialism, in other words, without 'private property' one cannot amass material things that are beyond one's basic needs. You can impose limits to how much 'things' anyone can possess, but the fact that such an imposition exist affirm the basic idea that 'private property' is necessary for excess materialism.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Agreed 100%.

What is even more troubling is the blind admiration for anything Western among China's younger generations. True, there is a great deal that China could learn from the United States but this doesn't mean that we must imitate what is bad about Western societies. I am stunned by how "congressional brawls" were supposed to be a sign of advanced political systems, for example.

Yes, i've also seen many young people would love to bleach their skin, to dye their hair, and to wear the colored eye lenses. Everything about White/Western is Godly, everything about Asian/Eastern is inferior/stupidity.

I don't want to promote any racial supremacy, but i have enough with these losers who have full of inferior complex. Not only they look up the whites, and look down the blacks/muslims, they hate to be Chinese/Asian. China must regain her backbone, and these abominations created by Western Imperalism must be cleaned out in the near future. The reversed racism and having inferior complex toward the West among some Chinese people is a big problem in our society.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Best thing is to deny the people things that could make them 'materialistic'. Things like money, private property, or worse...capitalism. As long as you allow private property, aka the notion that a person can own something that is inaccessible by anyone else, you set the foundation for 'materialism'. Better go back to communism.

The true Communism is Utopia, it cannot be achieved unless every person is an angel.

My point is not about Communism vs Capitalism, it is about the dark side of human nature. Every human being is selfish and we are all materialistic creatures. However, over excess of materialism would eventually lead toward the self-destruction of our own kind.

As a highly evolved species on this planet, we were destined to fight our fate and to overcome the nature, but that doesn't mean we have to destroy the nature and kill everything around us.

I want to fight for the Universal truth, but not just blindly follow the idea of a particular political campaign.

 

[gambit]

True communism is utopia, it cannot be achieved unless every person is an angel.

My point is not about communism vs capitalism, it is about the dark side of human nature. Every human being is selfish and we are all materialistic creature. However, over excess of materialism would eventually lead toward the self-destruction of our own kind.

As a highly evolved species on this planet, we were destined to fight our fate and overcome the nature. But that doesn't mean we have to destroy the nature and kill everything around us.

I want to fight for the universal truth, but not just blindly follow the idea of a particular political campaign.

Or that there is an overwhelming authority figure that not only holds the figurative leadership role but ALSO the physical means, such as the military or the police, to enforce its will over the people. If such an authority exist, you can have 'utopia' in that you can impose your will -- enforcible -- upon the people to deny them any more materialism beyond their basic needs.

Remember...From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs.

So if you make everyone the same, regardless of their many internal motivations, you can have at least a physical 'utopia', if not a moral one. Laws can and do affect a person's behavior and over the long term, perhaps even alter his intellectual outlook on a particular subject. Laws that limits one's possession of 'private property' is necessary if there is a desire to achieve 'social justice'. So over the long term perhaps there may no need to have such laws because the people would so internalize 'From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs' that all men would become 'angels'.

North Korea is being more true to communist ideals than China in creating and enforcing laws -- To each according to his needs. Is that a 'shame' or a 'virtue'?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Or that there is an overwhelming authority figure that not only holds the figurative leadership role but ALSO the physical means, such as the military or the police, to enforce its will over the people. If such an authority exist, you can have 'utopia' in that you can impose your will -- enforcible -- upon the people to deny them any more materialism beyond their basic needs.

Remember...From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs.

So if you make everyone the same, regardless of their many internal motivations, you can have at least a physical 'utopia', if not a moral one. Laws can and do affect a person's behavior and over the long term, perhaps even alter his intellectual outlook on a particular subject. Laws that limits one's possession of 'private property' is necessary if there is a desire to achieve 'social justice'. So over the long term perhaps there may no need to have such laws because the people would so internalize 'From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs' that all men would become 'angels'.

North Korea is being more true to communist ideals than China in creating and enforcing laws -- To each according to his needs. Is that a 'shame' or a 'virtue'?

I have no intention to talk about Communism vs Capitalism.

I simply referred that the endless needs of the materialism should be controlled because our planet don't have unlimited supply of natural resources.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Gambit why politicize everything? This is neither the McCarthyist era nor the Cultural Revolution.

 

[gambit]

I have no intention to talk about Communism vs Capitalism.

I simply referred that the endless needs of the materialism should be controlled because our planet don't have unlimited supply of natural resources.

Too late...The moment you negatively criticize the foundation of a belief system, you inevitably talked about the 'pros' and 'cons' of competing ideologies. This is what I find amusing about communists, the eagerness to criticize capitalism and the equally quick to run away when they are challenged...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Gambit why politicize everything? This is neither the McCarthyist era nor the Cultural Revolution.

Well, according to him, anyone who disagrees with US' doctrine must be some closet evil commie.

US values = Universal truth

He is the first Asian TeaBagger i have seen on the cyberspace.

 

[gambit]

Gambit why politicize everything? This is neither the McCarthyist era nor the Cultural Revolution.

Do you even know the meaning of 'McCarthyism' to use that word here?

Anyway...A little bit about myself...Am single (with a G/F) and living in a 3000 sq/ft house on 1/4 acre lot. The house has 4 bedrooms, 3 baths, and a fully finished basement with a 'theater room' configured for movie viewing. Too much for a single guy, ya think? I read somewhere a long time ago that if we give everyone a 20 sq/ft room, we can fit the world's population into the Grand Canyon.

Now...Do you think that it is immoral for any non-married person to have such decadent excess? I say 'immoral', not 'illegal'. And if you think that it is 'immoral' for any single person to have such decadent excess, how do you propose we, as a society, deal with this 'immorality'? Do we persuade, meaning to present morally based argument to effect societal changes at the intellectual level? Or do we impose, meaning enact enforcible laws, to effect societal changes at the behavioral level? Persuasions inevitably give grounds to the other side, to allow the possibility that the target may not accept one's argument. Laws do not have such concessions, either you stop at the intersection as the sign said, or you will be punished.

So to correct the 'immorality' that I am living within, how do you propose we correct this?

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Well, according to him, anyone who disagrees with US' doctrine must be some closet evil commie.

US values = Universal truth

He is the first Asian TeaBagger i have seen on the cyberspace.

Scared to support your argument? Scared or unable?